Free Musllims coalition

This is a refreshing voice form modern reformist Muslims:

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The Coalition believes that fundamentalist Islamic terror represents one of the most lethal threats to the stability of the civilized world. The existence of Islamic terrorists is the existence of threats to democracy. There is no room for terrorism in the modern world and the United States should take a no-tolerance stance on terrorism in order to avoid another tragedy, along the lines of 9-11. With the added threat of biochemical weapons, the call to defeat terrorism has never been so urgent.

Among Islamic scholars, the concept of jihad ranges in definition from the personal struggle against temptation to holy war. All calls for jihad to create an Islamic state should be rejected as heretic and a threat to modern society. The Coalition feels that the concept of jihad should be reinterpreted for a modern day context in which holy war is obsolete. No holy war needs to be waged; there is no clear and present threat to Islam; the only war that needs to be waged in the modern world is one against terrorists and extremists. As militant Islamic fundamentalism increases, the Coalition will wage a battle of minds as we bring Islam into the 21st century and introduce a doctrine which is compatible with democracy and modern living.

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Terrorism: Free Muslims Coalition

Nice one Strolly and thanks.

What's needed is something like that statement from the lips of say CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) the most powerful lobbying Muslim group in North America.
Then, perhaps some clearer heads would prevail...:confused:

That's is exactly what the world needs to hear more of. A lot more of!

The OIC has been voicing their anger! Perhaps the OIC doesn't count?

When an Islamic country is living under occupation it is the duty of all able bodied Muslims in the entire Ummah to aid their co-religionists.

The real solution to the current situation is for the Caliphate to be re-established. When this has taken place reasoned moderate Fatwas can be issued by learned scholars. This would draw power away from radical groups like Takfir Wal Hirja and other lunatics like Abu Musab al Zarkawi who argue that there is at present no ultimate religious authority (like the Holy See) and believe they have the authority to declare Holy War.

If the Caliphate did declare a lesser defensive Jihad against Israel then it would be legitimate and the Zionists would have to face the punative consequences of their attrocious actions from the 1 billion faithful. It would also have the authority and legitimacy to issue Fatwas condemning attacks against innocents such as the Belsan school seige.

Have to agree the the FMC looks to have some good points but you are not hearing this from Mullahs or any type of religious leaders in countries like Syria, Iran or any other muslim country. This has to be heard and practiced in these countries or nothing will be done.

Do these countries have free speech?

Maybe you're expecting too much if you're waiting for mainstream media to report such voices, and maybe you're doing too little to inform yourself, such voices are there from inside Iran and Iranian exiles, but, as A.E. Houseman says:

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Three minutes thought would suffice to find this out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time.

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Originally Posted by stroller

Do these countries have free speech?

Maybe you're expecting too much if you're waiting for mainstream media to report such voices, and maybe you're doing too little to inform yourself, such voices are there from inside Iran and Iranian exiles, but, as A.E. Houseman says:

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Three minutes thought would suffice to find this out; but thought is irksome and three minutes is a long time.

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You're absolutely correct sTroller, these countries do NOT have freedom of speech. You are also correct when you say that I'm expecting way too much out of supposedly intelligent people that are the government and religious leaders in these countries. It's truely sad that I can't expect at least some kind of intelligent thought out of them.

What I can depend on hearing is the constant rhetoric from the PC nutters that we are not bowing to their needs or ideals. It's all a one sided coin with muslims that we understand them and bow to them when something even like a Christmas nativity scene is in a store, an ice cream label or any of the merriod of things that INSULT them. Why can't THEY change or except that we are different and live with us WITHOUT bombing people in the new country that they reside in? Why can't I expect these things to change. I say it's because the majority of muslims and especially their leaders don't want to change because their leaders would lose control over them if they got an education. They keep the muslim people in control by fear and lack of knowledge.

Truely sad.

They Hate US..Always have...Always will

The leader of the Muslim Council of Britain Abdul Bari says that if the Brits don't stop criticizing Muslims, they'll have to deal with two million Islamo terrorists...:bunny3:

Actually, the page you link is about an Al-Jazeera poll.

The problem is, yet again, that this notorious right-wing blog does not provide sources, other than more rightwing blogs to read comments, but not news regarding Abdul Bari.

The news is here. ;)

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Originally Posted by stroller

Actually, the page you link is about an Al-Jazeera poll.

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Dosen't matter - the sentiment is still the same.
2006: Muslim year of perpetual outrage .

As Oriana Fallaci warned before her death: "The hate for the West swells like a fire fed by the wind. The clash between us and them is not a military one. It is a culteral one, a religious one, and the worst is still to come."
Italics mine...:confused:

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

the sentiment is still the same

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Not really, if you take the time to read the article and find out the context.

Btw, why don't you start your own "Evil Islam" thread, and post links to your blogs and editorials there, this thread is about the Free Muslim Coalition.

Well Muslims are scum of the earth who deserve to be killed. Booner and Eliminator would be the best choice for the job.

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

What's needed is something like that statement from the lips of say CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) the most powerful lobbying Muslim group in North America.
Then, perhaps some clearer heads would prevail...:confused:

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Hey Booner you were asking for a statement from CAIR? I got it for you!!!! Check it out and see for yourself that Muslims are indeed rasing their voice.

CAIR Ad

.... and more in here.

Scholars of Islam & the Tragedy of Sept. 11th:

..... some more here!

CAIRmedia release statement, 9/11

..... this one too!

ICNA media release

..... and

http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm#Expressions%20of%20grief%20and%20symp athy%20in%20the%20Arab%20and%20Muslim%20world:

I'm sure "fox" didn't report them.

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Originally Posted by machangezi

..... this one too!

ICNA media release

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Scholars of Islam & the Tragedy of Sept. 11th:

I'm sure "fox" didn't report them.

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This kind of stuff needs to get more press.
Cheers, machangezi.:)

Where are these organizations located? In America, you won't see these comments coming from any mostly muslim countries and until this happens, your comments and those of the pc nutters are just rhetoric.

rhet·o·ric (rĕt'ər-ĭk) https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
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Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous: His offers of compromise were mere rhetoric.

I have stated over and over on this forum that the muslims need to get their act together and get into the 21st century and all I saw from you guys is: " why do the muslims have to change and it's up to us to understand the muslim ideals and actions". This was always your stance untill you find a few AMERICAN muslim organzations saying that the muslims HAVE to change for their religion to exist with the rest of the world and then point is drawn in with all the other anti American, anti English, French, Spanish or whatever other countries that the muslims have immigrated to. How many times have you seen posters held up saying death to all that do ANYTHING against islam? You guys seem to find it hard to see the forest for the trees when it comes to understanding the views by an ever increasing sentiment of non muslims worldwide is that it's the muslims themselves that need to change.

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Originally Posted by Eliminator

Where are these organizations located? In America, you won't see these comments coming from any mostly muslim countries and until this happens, your comments and those of the pc nutters are just rhetoric.

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Macha and I have provided plenty of links by now, instead of yourself doing your research before running your loud mouth, yet again.

When are are going to put aside your hatred and contribute something reasoned?

We need to here more from moderate voices like Seikh Nasrallah and less from warmongers like Bliar.

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Originally Posted by Eliminator

Where are these organizations located? In America, you won't see these comments coming from any mostly muslim countries and until this happens, your comments and those of the pc nutters are just rhetoric.

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Macha and I have provided plenty of links by now, instead of yourself doing your research before running your loud mouth, yet again.

When are are going to put aside your hatred and contribute something reasoned?

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The only organizations that you have provided are ALL located in the U.S. and this is exactly my point. When are you guys going to catch what I'm saying? I don't hear of any muslim leaders or their religious leaders in mostly muslim nations saying that these bombings must stop and that the religion needs to rethink their attitudes in their own country and especially when living in another country. When are they going to join the rest of the world and realize that we are in the 21st century and their archaic religion and ideals need to change?

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

We need to here more from moderate voices like Seikh Nasrallah and less from warmongers like Bliar.

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It's a pity that a resonable percentage of muslims also have the same attitude of the Prime Minster that you lot elected.

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

The real solution to the current situation is for the Caliphate to be re-established.

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A Caliphate could never control all Muslims. The British backed the last one pre-WW1 but the rest of the Islam did not. Islam has a decentralised power structure, there is no Muslim "Holy See," and there never will be.

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

When this has taken place reasoned moderate Fatwas can be issued by learned scholars.

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Like this?

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

a lesser defensive Jihad against Israel then it would be legitimate and the Zionists would have to face the punative consequences of their attrocious actions from the 1 billion faithful.

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A billion Muslims attacking Israel? :rolleyes: Yeah, I believe the Arab states tried that strategy 3 times and got their arses kicked each and every time, which led to them losing more and more territory in the first place, something they blame Israel for! :D

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Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by Eliminator

Where are these organizations located? In America, you won't see these comments coming from any mostly muslim countries and until this happens, your comments and those of the pc nutters are just rhetoric.

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Macha and I have provided plenty of links by now, instead of yourself doing your research before running your loud mouth, yet again.

When are are going to put aside your hatred and contribute something reasoned?

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The only organizations that you have provided are ALL located in the U.S. and this is exactly my point. When are you guys going to catch what I'm saying? I don't hear of any muslim leaders or their religious leaders in mostly muslim nations saying that these bombings must stop and that the religion needs to rethink their attitudes in their own country and especially when living in another country. When are they going to join the rest of the world and realize that we are in the 21st century and their archaic religion and ideals need to change?

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What about OIC? They gave a statement after 9/11! Just in case you don't get it, OIC is a Muslim organisation with 52 member countries (all leaders there!) from across the globe.

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

a lesser defensive Jihad against Israel then it would be legitimate and the Zionists would have to face the punative consequences of their attrocious actions from the 1 billion faithful.

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A billion Muslims attacking Israel? :rolleyes:

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There are many meanings of jihad.Hasan al-Banna, the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood spoke of a Jihad for education a jihad for welfare.

I don't expect 1 billion Muslims to start chucking rocks at Israel but if the Muslims could unify themselves and have representation in international istitutions: like the Vatican City has in the UN for Roman Catholics. Then surely the mistreatment of Muslims could be resolved in a less bloody fashion than it is today

Yes the OIC is a multi national organization but what are they doing to stop all these radicals from bombing the rest of the world? I don't see them telling the muslim populous to turn in these murderers or for them to not teach hatred of other nationalities. I don't see them getting rid of the radical religious leaders. What about getting rid of the religious leaders that even MADE UP thier own versions of these cartoons (that the muslims got so insulted by) to fuel the fire that killed so many people, even their own people. Do we see them being punished or told not to do these things? NO

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Originally Posted by Eliminator

Yes the OIC is a multi national organization but what are they doing to stop all these radicals from bombing the rest of the world? I don't see them telling the muslim populous to turn in these murderers or for them to not teach hatred of other nationalities. I don't see them getting rid of the radical religious leaders. What about getting rid of the religious leaders that even MADE UP thier own versions of these cartoons (that the muslims got so insulted by) to fuel the fire that killed so many people, even their own people. Do we see them being punished or told not to do these things? NO

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The OIC has repeatedly condemned terrorism. They condemn attacks on Israeli settlers. However they quite rightly wont condemn attacks on Israeli soliders.

I wonder if Eliminator has read ANYTHING the OIC released.

At a recent OIC conference Dr Mathir Muhammed called for an end to terrorism everywhere even in Palestine.

Thanks maddie, you answered the question posed at me. Eliminator, I think there ain't no need to answer now.

I read some of the stuff on the OIC but still can't see where they are getting to the religious leaders that are the true leaders of these people.

The political leaders PROPOSE new legislation to give more RIGHTS to women and the rest of society and it is ALWAYS shot down by the religious leaders. Are these religious teachers coming out and doing anything to stop the carnage, I don't see it. Are they doing anything to TRY and get their people to assimilate into a new country, I don't see it. Are the religious leaders doing ANYTHING to try and change the direction of where their religion is going, I don't see that either.

Forrest and trees boys, you guys are lost. Sad, truely sad.

These kind of statements are what is needed to change the current situation !!!

Glad to see that SOME MUSLIMS are finally getting their voices heard !!

Nice article !!

Cleric condemns suicide attacks

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One of the world's most influential Islamic leaders has condemned all attacks by suicide bombers at an international conference for Islamic scholars.

Grand Sheikh Mohammed Sayed Tantawi of the Al-Azhar mosque of Cairo - which is seen as the highest authority in Sunni Islam - said groups which carried out suicide bombings were the enemies of Islam. ...

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