Was John Lennon an AR*EHOLE

I have not made my mind up as yet but the indicators seem to be pointing to Arsehole town.

I have read and looked at all the crap you come across on the internet about the great John Lennon.

When growing up I thought John was the cool Beatle compared to Paul.
But after reading his Ex wife's and Julians account of things Im starting to think
that if you are blessed with a certain genius then you are hampered by a lack of social common sense.

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Im an athiest,But If there was a God, I think he had one hell of a sense of humour !

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I have never heard that he was one although he had one, well two if you couint Yoko.

Yeh he could be a bit of an arsehole. But he was an interesting arsehole, and a damn good musical talent.

he's a decomposing arsehole now.

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Originally Posted by sabang

Yeh he could be a bit of an arsehole. But he was an interesting arsehole, and a damn good musical talent.

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That seems to be the general pattern,If you have something to give to the musical world you lack the publicity side of things ,Like it wasnt intended to be able boast about these things.

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Originally Posted by KOBRIEN

But after reading his Ex wife's and Julians account of things

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ex-wives tend to not give the most endearing account of a person.

Anyone with that much money who ends up with super slag Yoko has to be an asshole of the first order. And I also thought his music sucked.:spin:

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Originally Posted by TizMe

ex-wives tend to not give the most endearing account of a person

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I have read her book aswell as load of other shit this week about J.Lennon.
So bored of the guy.
But he does come across as a wanker if you look deeper !
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Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Anyone with that much money who ends up with super slag Yoko has to be an asshole of the first order. And I also thought his music sucked.:spin:

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Lennon took 6 bullets full in the chest. Yoko was standing right next to him, and not one round hit her..? :confused:

Chapman should have got another 3 life sentences just for that alone.

He was a genuine musical genius, an everyday lad from Liverpool that had godlike adulation thrust upon him when he was still but a kid.

Of course this type of public scrutiny will change a blokes life and yes the kids of that time time did think more of the Beatles then they did of Jesus Christ or any other religion.

An arsehole?........I didn't know him personally so cannot judge but I know his music and his musical genius I will enjoy for the rest of my life.

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Kobrien is not cool...

One of my favourite Lennon songs.

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Most of us play Mind Games in real life and on this forum. :)

Great lyrics from Lennon here.

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From what I've read and the doco's I've seen on John Lennon it does appear that there was a wankerish side to him. Wasn't much of a husband to Cynthia and even less of a father to Julian. I think most of it was caused by Lennons mother abondoning him when he was a kid and his father dumping him at his aunts.
Later on in life he did try to make up for his early mistakes by being a good father to Sean, think he took a few years off music to raise him. Perhaps maturing helped him see the errors of his ways
I can't help but wonder how any of us would have turned out if we had the kind of adulation that Lennon got from an early age. Would have been enough to turn most of us into unbearable twats.

his finest hour as a songwriter.




Dailymotion - John Lennon - Working Class Hero.mpg - a Music video

I dunno. He died in the prime of his life and career. If he was still around today, he might be busy pissing all over his legend and musical legacy with crap records and money-grubbing concerts. Or appearing on reality tv shows / Toyota adverts.

Let him be.

He had earlier in the day stopped and given Mark Chapman his autograph and had a friendly chat.

That person took Lennon and his words too seriously, just like that other maniac Charles Manson and the bastard killed off one of the true legends of music just when he was starting to contribute again.

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Let him be.

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i thought paul wrote that one ??

Can't be too much of an asshole, He give me and many million others
eternal happiness with his music.
I remember the first time I met my thai brother-in- law, we were having a few beers
and he put on a John Lennon CD and from day on we both have enjoyed each others
music.

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Originally Posted by sabang

Yeh he could be a bit of an arsehole. But he was an interesting arsehole, and a damn good musical talent.

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Historically, eccentricity and unorthodoxy are grounds for damnation.....especially artists.

He had to be one of the first real PC nutters to hit the planet. Get over it, he's dead and can't complain about an EX writing about him.

not many famous people stand up too well under the microscope

Cynthia made some incorrect statements about John, she said John never saw Julian in 1971 but there are films of Julian at Johns house.
John then moved to the US and did not speak to Julian because Cynthia would not let Julian use the telephone !
John was helping Yoko find her adopted out daughter.
I see John's half brother David sometimes, he only knows what he has been told. David only met John once, and then he was with their father and John threw them out of his house.

Johns musical skills will never be doubt.I dont rate what you say because
you can find a lot of interviews online where Julian himself claims John paid him little attention and when he did it was mixed with fits of anger and mood swings.

Going back the start of this thread he is someone who excels musically but
is kind of retarded when it comes to social family skills.

^ Not sure what you mean by rate what i say, the little i have said are facts not speculation or hearsay.
John Lennon does not need me defending his name.

Julian Lennon YouTube - Bing Videos

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John then moved to the US and did not speak to Julian because Cynthia would not let Julian use the telephone !

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Originally Posted by Bower

John was helping Yoko

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It wasnt a dig at yourself,Its facts that I have come across and that Julian
Has confirmed in many interviews.The stand out interview with Julian was
when John told him not to laugh around him as he hated the sound of it ! I dont think anyone has seen Julians teeth since.

If this was just Cynthia saying this I would take it with a pinch of salt,But
I dont see his own son making such stuff up to take sides.

In more recent years he says he has love for his Dad's music but cannot really
have love for John the person as he was not a great man or Dad.

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Originally Posted by KOBRIEN

In more recent years he says he has love for his Dad's music but cannot really have love for John the person as he was not a great man or Dad.

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I got the feeling of bitterness towards his father and that is common after a family break-up.

The thing that amazed me about that interview (Julian Lennon YouTube - Bing Videos) is that I believe Julian didn't even realize he was being taped and was just pouring his heart out to a couple of passes by or in fact anyone who would listen.

He certainly didn't seem to be suffering from a lack of funds and did go to a private school which obviously was funded by his father.

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Originally Posted by Loy Toy

private school which obviously was funded by his father.

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When John split up with Cynthia,John offered her £70,000 and told her for it was like winning the pools.She was stupid and didnt take him to the cleaners
and accepted £100,000 ( This being the early 70's I think that would be like £500,000 today)

A trust fund was set up for Julians school fee's and general well being,This was
estimated to be £100,000. Its reported that when Sean was born Yoko
decided that Julians trust fund for school will now be halved and be shared
with Sean's future school costs.

It does sound like a lot of back biting and bitching between ex's.

When John died all of the house's that John had purchased his family
where still in Johns name,So ended up being Yoko's property after his older relatives has passed.Yoko ordered the property to be sold and money forwarded to herself.Im sure she wasnt short of a few bob.

The only thing that John left Julian was a name an reputation which im sure opened the door to his own music career.