Religion of Peace Strikes in South (again)

Religion of Peace Strikes in Thailand despite PM'S Apology.

Suspected Muslim insurgents in southern Thailand have burnt down three schools and shot and wounded a teacher.

"The attacks took place overnight on Saturday in the Muslim-dominated province of Yala.

They came after Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont, installed in an October coup, apologised for the policies of the previous government.

More than 1,500 people have died in violence in the country’s restive south since January 2004.

Three schools were completely gutted and a fourth badly damaged in the blazes which began almost simultaneously during the night.

A police officer told Reuters news agency that four militants had shot the couple and their daughter from the back of motorcycles later on Saturday."

Note to Thailand’s Prime Minister Chulanont Surayud: how’s that apology to Muslims working out for you?

I clicked on a few bits this US neo-con blog has to say about Thailand.

Wow, I wonder how you manage to find all these extremist sites on the web, booner?

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I clicked on a few bits this US neo-con blog has to say about Thailand.

Wow, I wonder how you manage to find all these extremist sites on the web, booner?

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It would be nice if you would learn how to realy click....
Thai PM apologizes for ex-govt's tactics - Yahoo! News

it was all there in the article. What is it with the US neo-con blog which YOUR buddy uses all the time....but a real article in AP you don't want to understand.
Do you need the article in "Thai" Mr. Stroller ? I will find it for you in two sec. if you can read thai!

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don't have to answer this one like the rest.
Remember that (german) politicians don't get thread by muslims...right?
You did'nt have to answer that one either...right!

I wonder where they get those numbers from because according to the U.S. government's counterterrorist agengy MIPT there have been 497 deaths related to terrorism in Thailand in the past 38 years.

Of course, this would never make people angry:

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The Muslim leader's question focused specifically on the deaths of 85 anti-government protesters in Narathiwat province in October 2004. Soldiers opened fire when the protest turned violent. Only a handful were shot, but dozens asphyxiated when they were bound and piled on top of each other on military trucks to be taken to detention.

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Herman:
Yes, the blog has at least the courtesy to link to the article it comments on.
It's not that I haven't found the links, it's just that I prefer to read a news source without some rabid blogger twisting and spewing.

I don't quite understand what me being able to read Thai, or German polititians versus Muslims is supposed to be related to anything here? Just ranting again, Herman?

Islamists in the south don't seem to be accepting the new PM's apology - again: Karaoke bar bombs wound five .

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I wonder where they get those numbers from because according to the U.S. government's counterterrorist agengy MIPT there have been 497 deaths related to terrorism in Thailand in the past 38 years.

Of course, this would never make people angry:

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The Muslim leader's question focused specifically on the deaths of 85 anti-government protesters in Narathiwat province in October 2004. Soldiers opened fire when the protest turned violent. Only a handful were shot, but dozens asphyxiated when they were bound and piled on top of each other on military trucks to be taken to detention.

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I would say your MIPT is a waste of money and their reports are very old.


Since 2004 there have been more then 1500 deaths in Thailand due to terrorism in the south.
German Newspaper Junge Welt 18.10.2006

If the Thai government ever decides to deal with the Muslim problem, it will be "all over in Dodge" for the Islamic element in Thailand. It's only a matter of time before the Islamists make the mistake of attacking or insulting the monarchy in some form. That is the point that a bloodbath will ensue unlike anything that Thaksin could have organized. It's coming...... and the Thais may just show the world the only approach that works with these extremists. The really sad thing is the large group of peaceful Muslims in Thailand who will suffer as a result. This is what happens when the majority lets the extremists speak for them by remaining silent.

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If the Thai government ever decides to deal with the Muslim problem, it will be "all over in Dodge" for the Islamic element in Thailand. It's only a matter of time before the Islamists make the mistake of attacking or insulting the monarchy in some form. That is the point that a bloodbath will ensue unlike anything that Thaksin could have organized. It's coming...... and the Thais may just show the world the only approach that works with these extremists. The really sad thing is the large group of peaceful Muslims in Thailand who will suffer as a result. This is what happens when the majority lets the extremists speak for them by remaining silent.

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These extremists have had a nasty pattern of overstepping themselves in the past few years.
The decent muslims here really need get get a grip on these bad eggs for the exact reason you stated. Boy oh boy I hope it doesn't happen because the short term economic damage would be extensive.

On the other hand someone in the world needs to show how it needs to be done. I have no doubt of how protective the Thai people are of their monarchy.
Perhaps the extremists might be able so see how such an act would spell annihilation for them.

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I wonder where they get those numbers from because according to the U.S. government's counterterrorist agengy MIPT there have been 497 deaths related to terrorism in Thailand in the past 38 years.

Of course, this would never make people angry:

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The Muslim leader's question focused specifically on the deaths of 85 anti-government protesters in Narathiwat province in October 2004. Soldiers opened fire when the protest turned violent. Only a handful were shot, but dozens asphyxiated when they were bound and piled on top of each other on military trucks to be taken to detention.

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I would say your MIPT is a waste of money and their reports are very old.


Since 2004 there have been more then 1500 deaths in Thailand due to terrorism in the south.
German Newspaper Junge Welt 18.10.2006

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The MIPT is a function of the U.S. goverment.

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The decent muslims here really need get get a grip on these bad eggs for the exact reason you stated.

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What do you expect 'them' to do? Join in the chorus of anti-Islam sentiments and start lynching suspected "Islamists" in the street?

Plenty of prominent and not so prominent Muslims in the South do speak out against the methods of the separatists, but our hatemongering members are quite good at ignoring this fact.

I believe the new PM's approach is the way forward, de-escalate the situation and don't punish the general population for the mistakes of a few.
Has anyone taken note that the apology is addressed at the general population, not at the terrorists?

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If the Thai government ever decides to deal with the Muslim problem, ...

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Read up on the history of the region, and you'll find that 'your' approach has already been tried, it's part of the historic resentment of the seperatists. ;)

I also suggest you read up on more recent events, some are mentioned in the article. The authorities haven't exactly worn velvet gloves - hence the apology.

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I would say your MIPT is a waste of money and their reports are very old.

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The MIPT is a function of the U.S. goverment.

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That explains it then. The oxymoron that is US Govt Intelligence.

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So? The us government has been known to get it wrong sometimes.

What I'm saying is I think there's a distinction between deaths overall and deaths directly related to terrorist attacks. I've seen sources from NZ or AUS claim that over 2,000 people have died in Thailand.

Take for example the the soldiers who die in Iraq. Those aren't considered victims of terrorism.

I think the MIPT only reports victims of terrorist attacks. If the Thai government kills 80 people in the south those aren't counted as terrorist victims but as overall deaths.

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Quite, the ctizens who suffocated while tied up in the back of army trucks weren't killed by "Islamists", though victims of "terrorism" - perhaps yes?

On the other hand someone in the world needs to show how it needs to be done.

I agree 100 percent.

Religion of P i e c e Strikes in South (again). Right on.

I stated, or ask, on another thread to do with Islam: How do you negotiate with a person who believes it his religious duty to kill you because you do not agree with him. Of course, no one answered.

It seems to me that there ain't no solution. Muslims all over the world are the root cause of problems. Why not bomb the hell out of all Muslims? Would that solve the problem?

By the way, what do you expect from moderate Muslims - get on the streets with arms and kill all those who look like terrorists? How could one differentiate between a moderate and extremist Muslim?

There're moderate Muslims speaking against such actions. They just can't get them killed.

There"re moderate Muslims speaking against such actions. They just can't get them killed.

What? Why not? Is not it true that "Terrorist" who kill innocent people are considered justified because they are willing to die for what they believe.

Moderate Muslim's are really afraid to really speak up. That seems to be the problem, or they don't speak up forcefully because they really believe in what the terrorist are doing, but would never admit to it.

Suggest what moderate Muslims like myself should do.

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Is not it true that "Terrorist" who kill innocent people are considered justified because they are willing to die for what they believe.

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It ain't true. Killing of innocents ain't justified. They die killing innocents, they go to hell is what I know.

[quote=Macha;208657]It seems to me that there ain't no solution. Muslims all over the world are the root cause of problems. Why not bomb the hell out of all Muslims? Would that solve the problem?


Yes Macha, there is a solution. Stop preaching, teaching HATE.

All people have a right to exist on this earth. No one should be killed because he has a different belief than a Muslim.

Tell me Macha, you are quick to answer when I post. I have asked before and I ask you directly now: How can you reason or negotiate with a person who believes it his religious duty to kill you because you believe different then he?

^Maybe other religious groups should stop teaching hate as well?

^^Maybe when they figure that one out then we can figure out how to stop 12,000 Americans or 5,000 Thais from killing each other every year?

200,000 people have died in the streets of the U.S. over the past 10 years. 60,000 Thais have died due to being murdered in the past decade.

And yet the rarity of a Muslim killing someone makes front page news and entire militiaries are mobilized to fight the 'problem.'

It seems to me that the priorities are severly misplaced.

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Is not it true that "Terrorist" who kill innocent people are considered justified because they are willing to die for what they believe.

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It ain't true. Killing of innocents ain't justified. They die killing innocents, they go to hell is what I know.

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Then why is it that the killing of innocents continues by terrorists???

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Then why is it that the killing of innocents continues by terrorists???

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Because the people of the US are happy with a terrorist president. Only 2 more years to go...

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^Maybe other religious groups should stop teaching hate as well?

^^Maybe when they figure that one out then we can figure out how to stop 12,000 Americans or 5,000 Thais from killing each other every year?

200,000 people have died in the streets of the U.S. over the past 10 years. 60,000 Thais have died due to being murdered in the past decade.

And yet the rarity of a Muslim killing someone makes front page news and entire militiaries are mobilized to fight the 'problem.'

It seems to me that the priorities are severly misplaced.

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The only religious group that I can speak for is the christian religion. Not RCC or any type of Trinitarian Church. I speak for the so called "born again-oneness churches). Those who follow the Bible. These churches do not teach or condon hate, murder, etc. Nor does the Holy Bible teach violence.

In this thread we are talking about the violence in the south of Thailand, not the world. There is evil people everywhere in every country.

You say rarity of a Muslim killing ....surly you jest. That is, unless you consider Islamic Terrorist to be to be other than Muslims.

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The only religious group that I can speak for is the christian religion. Not RCC or any type of Trinitarian Church. I speak for the so called "born again-oneness churches). Those who follow the Bible. These churches do not teach or condon hate, murder, etc. Nor does the Holy Bible teach violence.

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Bush claims to be doing God's work, does he not? Through his orders, more muslims have been killed than christians have been killed by muslims. And, I presume you've not read the bible if you consider it a book of peace (or do you consider the New Testament to be the only valid part of God's word?).

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Yes Macha, there is a solution. Stop preaching, teaching HATE.

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Judging by your past comments, I suggest you'll start listening to your own advice.

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You say rarity of a Muslim killing ....surly you jest. That is, unless you consider Islamic Terrorist to be to be other than Muslims.

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How many of the 1.2 billion Muslims are 'terrorists', in figures and in percentage?
Please make your argument referring to facts instead of insinuations.

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In this thread we are talking about the violence in the south of Thailand, not the world. There is evil people everywhere in every country.

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And there you have it.

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Then why is it that the killing of innocents continues by terrorists???

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Because the people of the US are happy with a terrorist president. Only 2 more years to go...

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Different strokes for different folks, I guess. We all have opinions for and against things like war and politics, etc.

Just for the record, and I am sure that you will dis-agree--If I were an Englishman, I would have voted for T.B.

And, I am sure we are off topic here and some mod will be out to kill.Smile!

Evil people do evil things. Some of them hide behind religion to do it. I wish the effort on warring in Iraq had been better spent on cleaning up the crime problem here. I think the efforts of the Thai government would be better spent trying to get the murder rate down before getting bogged down in the southern provinces.

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The only religious group that I can speak for is the christian religion. Not RCC or any type of Trinitarian Church. I speak for the so called "born again-oneness churches). Those who follow the Bible. These churches do not teach or condon hate, murder, etc. Nor does the Holy Bible teach violence.

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Bush claims to be doing God's work, does he not? Through his orders, more muslims have been killed than christians have been killed by muslims. And, I presume you've not read the bible if you consider it a book of peace (or do you consider the New Testament to be the only valid part of God's word?).

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Bush claims to be doing God's work--That's between him and God. Bush is not one that I speak for, he is some type of trinity church which is nonesence. Yes, I have read the entire Bible, more than once and also study it.

If you read the Bible with your mind already made up then you can pick and choose thru the scriptures and come up with many religions, scenarios, etc. However, read with an open mind you will see that the Bible does not teach violence and that there is only one church and one way to heaven.

However, for those who do not worship God they will face much violence. In fact much more violence then we have so far seen. That is not teaching violence. It is what is due for the enemys of God.

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Yes Macha, there is a solution. Stop preaching, teaching HATE.

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Judging by your past comments, I suggest you'll start listening to your own advice.

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You say rarity of a Muslim killing ....surly you jest. That is, unless you consider Islamic Terrorist to be to be other than Muslims.

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How many of the 1.2 billion Muslims are 'terrorists', in figures and in percentage?
Please make your argument referring to facts instead of insinuations.

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For any man or religion to believe and enforce that belief that another human being must die because they do not have the same religions belief is the same as being a terrorist. If you condon terrorist activities and support them, then you are a terrorist. So if 1.2 billion Muslims believe in the Koran to the letter, then 1.2 billion Muslims are terrorist. If they do not believe, then they need to speak up before this world goes more crazy then it is now.

As for my previous comments. You could understand them is you would try to answer the question. "How do you reason with a person who believes it his religious duty to kill you because you do not believe the same as he?"

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However, for those who do not worship God they will face much violence. In fact much more violence then we have so far seen. That is not teaching violence. It is what is due for the enemys of God.

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I see, those who do not worship your god, i.e. the enemies of god, will face more violence, presumably from yourself and fellow believers?

If you cannot see the irony here, I'll rest my case.

I hope your fellow US citizens take the necessary steps to keep these fanatic Christian extremists under control.

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However, for those who do not worship God they will face much violence. In fact much more violence then we have so far seen. That is not teaching violence. It is what is due for the enemys of God.

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For any man or religion to believe and enforce that belief that another human being must die because they do not have the same religions belief is the same as being a terrorist.

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Interesting.

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However, for those who do not worship God they will face much violence. In fact much more violence then we have so far seen. That is not teaching violence. It is what is due for the enemys of God.

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I see, those who do not worship your god, i.e. the enemies of god, will face more violence, presumably from yourself and fellow believers?

If you cannot see the irony here, I'll rest my case.

I hope your fellow US citizens take the necessary steps to keep these fanatic Christian extremists under control.

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He is not just my God. He is everyone's God.

If you have ever read the Bible you would know that the violence will not come from christians. The punishment will come in the end for man's dis-obediance to God. God will provide the punishement, not man.

There is no fanatic christian extremists even tho you seem to like the idea of their being.

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However, for those who do not worship God they will face much violence. In fact much more violence then we have so far seen. That is not teaching violence. It is what is due for the enemys of God.

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For any man or religion to believe and enforce that belief that another human being must die because they do not have the same religions belief is the same as being a terrorist.

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Interesting.

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It is God who provides the punishment, not man. Vengence is mine says the Lord.

Man has no right to kill another unless as instructed in the old testament.

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It is God who provides the punishment, not man. Vengence is mine says the Lord.

Man has no right to kill another unless as instructed in the old testament.

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An eye for an eye?

If God is all powerful and provides punishment isn't it possible that He's providing punishment using the hand of man?

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It is God who provides the punishment, not man. Vengence is mine says the Lord.

Man has no right to kill another unless as instructed in the old testament.

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An eye for an eye?

If God is all powerful and provides punishment isn't it possible that He's providing punishment using the hand of man?

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An eye for an eye was changed in the new testament to - turn the other cheek, etc.

It is possible, however, God has outlined all of this in the Biblle. It is also true that many world leaders do as they do because it is all part of Gods plan for man. Prophecies and the Book of Revelation are the key to understanding all of this. However, we do not know the date nor the hour that all will happen, only the sequence.