Tyre Rotation

Went back to the dealer to get my tyres rotated (they were supposed to do it at the last service) and was told they only swapped the front ones over (they didn't, there is a mark on one) and when I pointed out that the manual states the whole lot need to be swapped around they said that to do that you will need to have your tyres rebalanced and that they didn't have the equipment to do that.

What a load of crap.

So I went to a tyre shop and when they removed the tyres, they wanted to have them re balanced. Total nonsense I said and and no need to do it. Oh well they said we won't do it but you will be back to have the tyres balanced. I haven't been back and the tyres are perfect. charged me 200 baht to do it which was a bit steep in hindsight.

Just another annoying dealer bullshit story about work that was supposed to be done, not done. It's in the manual for christssake! No mention of balancing the tyres again!

Anyway, am I wrong or right? Why don't these people in the business know better?

The standards of knowledge vary greatly.

Some shops will only balance the front tyres when you buy a set of four tyres. When I ask about tyre rotation they say "was that then"
Complete idiots and shouldn't be allowed to sell tyres.

I have found a tyre dealer in Phrae who is clued up.
He even knows the date codes of all tyre makers.
When I had a puncture he asked if he could rotate all four tyres for me and didn't charge for it.

Keep looking until you find someone who desrves your business

Front and rear tyres develop different wear patterns. Depending on how the tyres were rotated you could find that you have quite different cornering characteristics on left and right turns afterwards.

It's usually considered standard in the U.S. to rotate front and rear tires, never left to right or right to left since the steel belts develop directional patterns in them after a short time and by reversing them can cause quick failure due to separation of the rubber and steel.

Some shops balance the tires on the car, some don't.

I don't know wether this tire rotation is a good idea, I tried it on my Moto bike and I gotta say, it looks kinda funny with the big tire on the front an that skinny little one on the back, but sure get lots of looks from the totty, or maybe its just me being such a hansum man.

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Originally Posted by Dougal

Front and rear tyres develop different wear patterns.

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Yes. Thats why you rotate them.

I will only swap tyres front to rear on the same side.
That way the tyre still rotates in the same direction.

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Originally Posted by Bung

Went back to the dealer to get my tyres rotated (they were supposed to do it at the last service) and was told they only swapped the front ones over (they didn't, there is a mark on one) and when I pointed out that the manual states the whole lot need to be swapped around they said that to do that you will need to have your tyres rebalanced and that they didn't have the equipment to do that.

What a load of crap.

So I went to a tyre shop and when they removed the tyres, they wanted to have them re balanced. Total nonsense I said and and no need to do it. Oh well they said we won't do it but you will be back to have the tyres balanced. I haven't been back and the tyres are perfect. charged me 200 baht to do it which was a bit steep in hindsight.

Just another annoying dealer bullshit story about work that was supposed to be done, not done. It's in the manual for christssake! No mention of balancing the tyres again!

Anyway, am I wrong or right? Why don't these people in the business know better?

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Is this the tyre dealer or the new car dealer?
A reputable tyre dealer will include free tyre rotation every so many Kms.

The new car dealer will normally charge for this service.



Also note that nearly all modern radial tyres require rotation front to rear!
The only exceptions I'm aware of are the hi performance racing radials which are rotated front to rear but in an X pattern.

If you aren't experiencing vibrations from the the tyres you don't need balancing.

But when you buy a set of tyres from any of the large tyre dealer
they include the free service every 10K kms or so.

ALWAYS have tyre / tires balanced whenever they are removed from the rim and then remounted.

It is pure foolishness not to have them done.

It may be recommended by some Thai's not to have the balancing done, but hey! take a look around you and tell me what the average Thai knows about road safety or anything to do with vehicle safety.

To say it is not nessacerry is just wrong, wrong and even more wrong.

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Originally Posted by Old Codger

ALWAYS have tyre / tires balanced whenever they are removed from the rim and then remounted.

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We are not talking about removing the tyres from their wheels

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Originally Posted by Old Codger

...To say it is not nessacerry is just wrong, wrong and even more wrong.

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Damn right there, OC. 8 errors in one word is pretty f*cking amazing. ;) :D

Yeah there are some idiots out there. I went to another shop a couple of years ago to have new tyres fitted.

Well, as the guy was balancing one he kept on putting more and more weights on, so many that they went halfway around the rim. Luckily i was watching and finally convinced him to remount it, much to his disgust. Mai Pen rai!

After remounting it, it required one weight only....

Like I always say, treat them like your brother.

Your little brother.

Interesting about changing front to back on the same side, that is how he did mine but I thought you needed to change sides as well, as the manual says.

A lot of the tyre places that sell new tyres don't actually have wheel balancing equipment, got to admit I was a bit suprised at that.

That's scary unless the give no warranty on the tires.

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Originally Posted by Bung

Interesting about changing front to back on the same side, that is how he did mine but I thought you needed to change sides as well, as the manual says.

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Yea most tyres nowadays have a directional tread and or develop a pattern after some use. Certain racing radials like the old yokohama A008R had special rotation procedures. The tyres on the driving wheels were to mounted a certain direction and the steering tyres the opposite hence when you rotated them it was in an X pattern. That was the hot ticket, I don't know what hot anymore!

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...To say it is not nessacerry is just wrong, wrong and even more wrong.

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Damn right there, OC. 8 errors in one word is pretty f*cking amazing. ;) :D

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LOL.....

<mitigating circumstances>

A pal did a visa run to Nong Khai today and returned with many cans of beer Lao ;)

most of which are now empty

bop en yang

:friday:

I got the impression that tires were being removed.

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Originally Posted by Old Codger

...To say it is not nessacerry is just wrong, wrong and even more wrong.

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Damn right there, OC. 8 errors in one word is pretty f*cking amazing. ;) :D

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LOL.....

<mitigating circumstances>

A pal did a visa run to Nong Khai today and returned with many cans of beer Lao ;)

most of which are now empty

:friday:

I got the impression that tires were being removed.

bop en yang

Blimey that beer lao is strong.

I'm seeing double just reading your posts

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Originally Posted by Old Codger

...To say it is not nessacerry is just wrong, wrong and even more wrong.

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Damn right there, OC. 8 errors in one word is pretty f*cking amazing. ;) :D

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LOL.....

<mitigating circumstances>

A pal did a visa run to Nong Khai today and returned with many cans of beer Lao ;)

most of which are now empty

:friday:
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Sorry OC, but you really have to un-learn "nessacerry". I did a Google on it and, although there were about 700 results, one was already on my computer: it was another one of yours! :D :

https://teakdoor.com/the-captains-lou...tml#post153851

^ LOL

What a dullard!

<standing in the corner wearing the dunces cap>

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Originally Posted by Thetyim

Blimey that beer lao is strong.

I'm seeing double just reading your posts

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Drunk people always start repeating themselves after a while.;)

^ sorry didn't catch that, again please

From here:

Tire Safety, Brochure (DOT HS 809 361 October 2001)

Tire Rotation

Rotating tires from front to back and from side to side can reduce irregular wear (for vehicles that have tires that are all the same size). Look in your owner's manual for information on how frequently the tires on your vehicle should be rotated and the best pattern for rotation.

A Tire Rotation Example
For maximum mileage, rotate your tires every 5,000 miles. Follow correct rotation patterns.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2006/09/1.jpg

^ As noted above best thing is to consult the tire manufacturer and/or the vehicle manual since there can be varying patterns recommended for rotation (uni-directional and asymmetric treads cannot be rotated diagonally, for example).

VWvortex Forums: Asymmetric Tires

For maximum mileage
seeing as I have 65,000 klm on my toyota hilux and still plenty of tread front and rear. I really cant see why I would even bother about tyre rotating at all. But I will be looking at changing them soon not because of lack of tread but age
2 1/2 years they have done there job far as I am concerned

Hope this helps, from Bridgestone...

Tyres should be rotated every 5k miles (8k km) even with no sign of uneven wear.

For FWD, move rear tyres diagonally to front, which should then be moved to rear on same side.

For RWD, move front diagonally to rear, which should then be moved to front on same side.

keda

Oops, for 4WD, switch front with diagonal rear.

keda

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Originally Posted by keda

Tyres should be rotated every 5k miles (8k km) even with no sign of uneven wear.

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Then why rotate them if they are wearing the same is there something I am missing here

^ I did mine at 20 k from new and the fronts were definately more "rounded" than the rears. Not much but.

I don't know about the tyres but this thread is certainly getting some mileage.

keda, not all tires can be rotated diagonally.

https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif


Tire Basics on carlist.com

Unidirectional or asymmetrical tires can't be rotated diagonally.

A better diagram:

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WheelMax Articles

And:

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Tire & Wheel Package Installation

Where it gets really dicey is some rims/wheels are directional as well.

And you can always include the spare tyre too....

But let's keep it simple! ;) :D

That usually doesn't apply here; most cars/vehicles don't have real spares.

Your mileage may vary, of course ;)

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Originally Posted by surasak

That usually doesn't apply here; most cars/vehicles don't have real spares.

Your mileage may vary, of course ;)

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:D :D

My Toyota pick-up does - it's a normal wheel and tyre. But the Renault 19 16V (H reg) that I had in the UK had a very thin "spare wheel" that - thankfully - I never had to use. It also had unidirectional tyres specially made by Pirelli (I think) for that model car - £100 each about 16 years ago. Fantastic tyres, fantastic car - wore out the front set of tyres in the first year :(