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Any one know if it is possible to do this?
I have found a wood house for sale in another changwat that I would like to dismantle and transport to my home for future construction projects.
I am worried about the cops hassling us but my wife say's it won't be a problem as it is second hand wood.
She is famous for being completely and expensively wrong in the past though!
Try and get a letter from the police station nearest to where you are getting the wood from.
It most certainly is a problem and a big problem at that, if you are caught.
The local police station will not be able to help you.
You must get permission from the 'Forest Police'
I think the timbers will have to be marked before you demolish the old house.
I can show you two carparks full of vehicles that have been confiscated for moving wood illegally.
But what is old? My guess is there is a difference between wood and timber. Dont do shit until you have it sussed out.
Old or new it makes no difference
You cannot move it without a permit
You can only move a finished product like a table or a bed.
well you learn something new every day on here.:eek:
Can you move the whole house then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thetyim
Thanks, I had a feeling that it would be a problem, I always wondered why everyone hadn't done it as it is a cheap way to get beautiful wood.
I got hassled by the cops with just a bed on the back of the pickup which I bought in another town.
I may look into the forestry guy's but it will take a lot of work, maybe palm greasing as well. Pretty interesting all the same....
Another case of too good to be true.....
I beg to differ Mr Thetyim, you cant move finnished products without the propper paper either (can't remember what it's called) To do it leagaly you will need some form of paper. Fresh cut wood you need the forestry commision type thing, but I'd sugest the first place to go would be your local Ampour and ask there. They may be able to sort something out or at least tell you where to goQuote:
Originally Posted by Thetyim
It's bit crazy, like a lot of things here.
the people selling it need to build another house single story as their mother had an accident and is paralized. Why should it matter what happens to that house? I would be helping them out and they want a concrete house now anyway.
the mrs reckons because the uncle that showed us it is well connected it will be alright, but you guys are right, it will be a matter of seeing the amphur, forrestry guy's, police etc and endless hours of talking, driving around and meetings with me sitting around like a twat wondering why I bothered.
It should'nt be that hard to do. I would of thought the uncle should of know this, mabye he can sort out some paperwork. Where are you planing on moving it from/to, depending on where it is (well if it's not going to a big city or BKK) any decent lorry drive should know the back roads to avoid the police checks
I want to take it from Loei to Petchabun, only about 100 km's.
If the uncle say's it can be done it should be alright, it is his truck we would be using to move it and he wouldn't want to lose it!
I think rolling into BKK with a truck full of wood would raise more eyebrows.
I'm going back this weekend with my BIL builder to get him to look at it and will see what they say.
Yor only just up the road from me then....well sort of depending on wether your north or south PetchabunQuote:
Originally Posted by Bung
I'm just North of Petchabun town!
I"m probably about an hour south of you. Nakhon Sawan, Tak Fa. If your going up from BKK and use the no 11 road (just past Singburi) you probably go past my place. Pop it for a beer some time :)
I bought two old teak houses about 100 Kms outside of Chiang Mai and had it transported to my site just outside of Bosong. I was back in the states when the wood was tranported but I know that cost of the first house (which was much larger) was 550,000 baht. 100,000 Baht was used to pay the police in the region of the old house (it came out of the 550,000 baht). A friend of mine in Bosong is a policeman and went to help pick up the teak wood but he couldn't talk the local police out of the payment (so much for police courtesy). The policeman said that the fact that it was old wood made no difference. On another note, I buy new teak doors to ship to the U.S. to sell. This is a local operation, about 20 kms from Bosong. I don't ask where he gets his teak wood but I do know the doors have to be picked up at night, when there is no chance od a police check point and the doors can't be seen in the dark. I was told about 6 months ago, the police made a visit to his shop and demanded 10,000,000 baht or they would take his teak doors. They ended up taking the doors. What I'm wondering is what the police then do with the doors (I'm assuming that they sell them but i've never seen a police store with confiscated thing for sale, like the prisons have with prison made goods/furniture)?
Yes, you are correct RCQuote:
Originally Posted by RandomChances
But I was assuming that you would have a shop receipt and the Police around here do accept that.
Sung Men (10km from Phrae) is a town full of teak furniture and peolpe come up from Bangers to buy, load up the car and drive back .
Providing it looks like for personal use then the shop receipt is OK
I have just come across this advert if anyone needs some teak.
It's in Chiang Mai, I think
"Looking for old teak wood or old teak rice barns for make your building please call us 06-9111471"
I am in no way connected to this, just passing it on.
Just updating this thread
have recently bought a wooden house, demolished and moved it
the seller kindly arranged all the permits needed
it was not difficult and the guys came from the council and actually made sure the wood went where we said it would
they counted the pieces and did not need any bribing (although it may have happened when I was not looking)
what is the furniture like in sung men? good enough to export?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thetyim
In my wife's home up in Surin there is plenty of old junk wood lying around that I would like to bring back to Bangkok and use my magnificent wood skills to make into wonderful things for my garden - do I need a permit to do this, or is a permit only for certain types of wood etc....
Also, does the amount of wood make any difference? I mean would the police be bothered doing anything about someone with a couple of manky planks in a rucksack??
Some of it is top quality and good enough for export.Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Chuchok
OK so today we went up to Chang Dao to see a wonderful house all of teak, and fell in love with the wood
after some negotiating, we agreed a price which seemed a bit expensive, but the wood was all A1 and also had 12 poles about 40cm across, 3 metres long. And lots of large planks and extra pieces of heavy wood, as well as a fine floor
B1.2 million for a heap of wood essentially. Then the owner told us he would have to pay the police in four provinces to get the wood to us, besides the trucks and the digger to remove the poles, leaving him with less than 1 million
SO LOTS OF CORRUPTION INVOLVED, SADLY
but eventually we will have a nice house or two
If yo are not dismantling the house ourself, I would suggest throughtly spraying the house with water or wait until a day or two of downpours. Old wood is dry and brittle and does crack easily when removed. I had many a piece of teak that had to be glued back together when intalled at my house. Wet teak is more pliable and won't crack as easily. Also, concerning the police, at least in the C.M. area, they don't work at night, so to pick up the teak doors that I had made, they were picked up at 10-11:00 at night and transported back to my house.
Dr Andy,
Keep us informed on how you go, I am very interesred in buying an old house for the wood.
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Originally Posted by Bung
yes, I will. There is a delay at present, due to too many people getting involved, the seller wants to wait a while
but there are plenty of places around, unfortunately some are very expensive. If you buy a house with mixed wood, you can get much cheaper, we paid only 300K for a nice big place with some great wood.
Thats one business that I'm seriously looking into once I move to C.M. in January. I'd like to buy old houses (teak and other strong woods) and dismantle them and keep them at a lumber site with my Thai partner mainly running that end of the business. Maybe even exporting teak lumber to the U.S. For this, I would have a lawyer lok into the legal ramifications. The down side is that every mom and pop lumber store in the C.M. area is visited on a monthly basis by the police for their cut and I don't want either myself or my partner ending up in jail or having our inventory taken away because we pissed someone off. However, I'll still spend a few months looking into the possibilities.
I've got my area sussed. About 150k for a complete house, 12 "don" which i've come to understand is how many main supporting stumps a house has. I'd love to get one and have the wood stacked in my yard ready for whatever.
more info, as previously said, if you are moving wood, esp teak, you will need a government stamp on each bit
you will likely get stopped and your wood taken from you without the stamps, even if bribes have been paid. It is always another policeman who stops you
If removing old teak from a structure, try to get it wet first, with a day's shower if possible. Old teak is brittle and if you try to remove it while it is dry, it will break easaily.