I would like to purchase a few Datura plants. But the word Datura means nothing to the Thai gardener i have. Please help me with a translation that he may know.
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I would like to purchase a few Datura plants. But the word Datura means nothing to the Thai gardener i have. Please help me with a translation that he may know.
Means f*ckall to me as well - cant help - sorry :)
PS - My golly ! your AV is a bit top heavy - wanna post a full sized pic so we can all marvel at the sight !
Google a picture of it and shove it in their faces whilst saying 'you fucking well got this or what?'
Should do the trick..
Print out a picture, show it to him, and point.Quote:
Originally Posted by wichenburi
Datura
Uses: This is A Very Dangerous Plant!
Most parts of the Datura plant contain atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine, alkaloid poisons having "anticholinergic" effects, i.e. they cross the blood-brain barrier and inhibit acetylcholine (the main neurotransmitter used by the parasympathetic nervous system).
These three drugs relax muscles and glands regulated by this sytem, and thus find uses in anaesthesia and as antispasmodics. For example, scopolomine has been used in minute doses as sleeping medicine, but if overdosed can produce "delirium, delusions, paralysis, stupor and death". Symptoms likely to be produced by these drugs include urinary retention, dry mouth, throat, and skin, blurred vision, headache and nausea, dizziness, flushing, fever, euphoria, hallucinations, and short-term memory loss.
Little wonder, then, that intoxication with Datura (which contains all three of these chemicals) typically produces "effects similar to that of an anticholinergic delirium": "complete inability to differentiate reality from fantasy (frank delirium, as contrasted to hallucination); hyperthermia; tachycardia [rapid heart beats]; agitation, including bizarre, inexplicable, and possibly violent behavior; and severe mydriasis (hyper-dilation of the eye pupil, due to inibition of acetylcholine function), with resultant painful photophobia that can last several days. Pronounced amnesia is another commonly-reported effect."
According to the drug information site Erowid (see that link), no other substance has received as many "Train Wreck" severely-negative experience reports as has Datura, the writers noting that "the overwhelming majority of those who describe to us their use of Datura (and to a lesser extent, Belladonna, Brugmansia and Brunfelsia) find their experiences extremely mentally and physically unpleasant and not infrequently physically dangerous."
What are your plans for these plants?
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Originally Posted by wichenburi
I hope you don't have murder in your heartQuote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuck
this is amusing
Dangerous leaves and urban myths
If you are referring to datura aka Angels Trumpet, think it would be Lamphong Khaao in Thai.
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2009/10/838.jpg
I like them they look good, big showy plant, no murder is not what I have in mind. The picture idea is good,Quote:
Originally Posted by DaffyDuckPrint out a picture, show it to him, and point.Quote:
Originally Posted by wichenburi
Datura
Uses: This is A Very Dangerous Plant!
Most parts of the Datura plant contain atropine, scopolamine, and hyoscyamine, alkaloid poisons having "anticholinergic" effects, i.e. they cross the blood-brain barrier and inhibit acetylcholine (the main neurotransmitter used by the parasympathetic nervous system).
These three drugs relax muscles and glands regulated by this sytem, and thus find uses in anaesthesia and as antispasmodics. For example, scopolomine has been used in minute doses as sleeping medicine, but if overdosed can produce "delirium, delusions, paralysis, stupor and death". Symptoms likely to be produced by these drugs include urinary retention, dry mouth, throat, and skin, blurred vision, headache and nausea, dizziness, flushing, fever, euphoria, hallucinations, and short-term memory loss.
Little wonder, then, that intoxication with Datura (which contains all three of these chemicals) typically produces "effects similar to that of an anticholinergic delirium": "complete inability to differentiate reality from fantasy (frank delirium, as contrasted to hallucination); hyperthermia; tachycardia [rapid heart beats]; agitation, including bizarre, inexplicable, and possibly violent behavior; and severe mydriasis (hyper-dilation of the eye pupil, due to inibition of acetylcholine function), with resultant painful photophobia that can last several days. Pronounced amnesia is another commonly-reported effect."
According to the drug information site Erowid (see that link), no other substance has received as many "Train Wreck" severely-negative experience reports as has Datura, the writers noting that "the overwhelming majority of those who describe to us their use of Datura (and to a lesser extent, Belladonna, Brugmansia and Brunfelsia) find their experiences extremely mentally and physically unpleasant and not infrequently physically dangerous."
What are your plans for these plants?
I have seen a lot of them around the mediterranean
I don't like them, remind me of death
Thanks Norton, that is the perfect answer. The plant looks good. Is it a good choice for ThailandQuote:
Originally Posted by Norton
Wichenburi, if you're not an experienced phsyconaut be very VERY careful with this one.
Erowid Experience Vaults: Datura - A Tale of Nudity, Arrest & Insanity..... - 17700
Read a lot about it, personally I'd be way too scared to try. Hope you are just using it as a pretty decoration.
That site is unreal, the plant could become very popular if people visit the site. Where you find that site. nice plant, I had no idea about the rest of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by filch
Yeah Erowid is a very educational site. Hopefully through its experiences and providing some education to people they will save a few numpties from dosing themselves to death.
I came across the site a while back after learning a little about DMT. And no, I have never taken DMT but I was curious to learn more.
I have heard that called "Dok Hello" in the north.
The flower kinda looks like the old telephone ear piece.
I can imagine some drunk falang trying to make a mock phone call on it years ago to the amusement of the locals and the name stuck.
Hello hello, I want to place a call overseas.
I have grown the plant in England and its really nice and grows very big quickly, But will it grow in Thailand.Quote:
Originally Posted by UncleBank
maybe a good cat killer and the local thai dogs may get more then they bargained for. I think its a winner.
Have seen them growing many places in Thailand. It is the Datura candida (suaveolens) and part of the deadly nightshade familyQuote:
Originally Posted by wichenburi
Thank you for your reply, I think it looks nice but is it a good choice of plant or would you recommend something else for Thailand. I do have children and some of what i have learned has put me off.
I'd recommend something else Wichenburi. Although not being a gardener or horticulturalist I would not know what to suggest. A trip to a local shrubbery or garden center perhaps?
I think you maybe correct. But gardening in Thailand is not easy, the language is a killer. Going to the garden center and pointing and hope for the best. Thompson and Morgan made it easy at home.
As another poster suggested, pictures. In horticulture they are priceless in identifying species.
[QUOTE="DaffyDuck"]What are your plans for these plants?[/QUOTE
was my original thought too.. the local council on the area have deemed this plant a noxious weed, though i still see them around the place from time to time they are a pretty plant
Take a look here. Might give you a few ideas. Best way to decide is to visit local nurseries. They will have plants which grow best in your area.
https://teakdoor.com/farming-and-gard...ctures-16.html
Let's not confuse plant names…. Asked for was a Thai name for a "Datura". I can't help you on that one…. But the plant you are asking for is no longer a Datura; it's called a Brugmansia.
At one time Brugmansia plants were included in the genus Datura, but taxonomists have, in 1973, divided the two groups into different genera. I see a lots of posts referring to the toxicity of the Datura, and although the Brugmansia is toxic as well, it is a different plant.
No idea how old your children are, but I would not grow any of the 2 plants, until they are able to understand these plants can be harmful and therefor will not touch them. They will, of course, grow to an age where they might find out the plant is more than just a good-looking plant and start experimenting! :mid:
I grow a few colors of the Brugmansia's in my garden, and my neighbor has specifically asked to grow a few next to the fence…. Every now and then he's collecting a few spent flowers and carrying them into the kitchen...
Brugmansia's are a long-lived, woody perennial, eventually reaching heights of over 20 feet. They have downward to slightly outward-facing, large (6" to 24" long) trumpet-shaped blooms, in shades of white, cream, yellow, peach, orange, pink, and red and rarely set seed. In contrast,
Datura's are a short-lived herbaceous perennial (they rarely live more than 3-4 years), are usually grown as an annual, and rarely exceed heights over 6 feet. Their smaller (2" to 8" long) white, cream, yellow, lavender or purple flowers are held upright above the plants and set seed freely.
Datura fruiits are round shaped and prickly but Brugmansia fruits are cucumber shaped and not prickly.
More general info on Brugmansia: Brugmansia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A lot of pictures for Brugmansia species and hybrids: http://toptropicals.com/catalog/uid/brugmansia_arborea.htm
More general info on Datura: Datura metel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pictures of Datura metel ( Datura metel known as "Lam-Pohng" in the Central part of Thailand and as "Ma Khuea Ban" (=Mad Egg-plant ) in the North):www.TopTropicals.com - rare plants for home and garden
And an easy way to score plants is to always have your 'wishlist with pictures' with you whenever you get close to flower markets, nurseries or visiting beautiful gardens. (Store this wish list on your mobile phone or your iPod and just show it after saying "Ton mai nee, mee mai?...") Like me, many people do not always know their scientific name, or (local) Thai name, but mostly the flower or fruit is recognized quickly and a finger will point you in the right direction....
If you plan to have dogs or other animals not recommended either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gipsy
Its nice to know some else likes the plant, the Metel is very beautiful. Thank you for all the information. In the UK the plant is often called both Datura and Brugmansia. Thank you for the reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gipsy
Update: Yes, anything that can chew on the different plant parts should not be tempted and kept away for it's own safety.... Maybe we should start a thread with all the poisonous plants growing in Thailand.
The second link (photo's of Brugmansia) does not seem to work, whatever I try, but once at TopTropicals, just type Brugmansia in the search bar, and you will find..... And Google has lots of them as well.
A Chaingmai site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gipsy
One Man's Poison: plants<br><em>Toxic plants of Thailand</em> by David H. Engel
Thanks Norton, it was closer then I thought.....
And it answers the question from Wichenburi.... "Lamphong-Khaao" (=White Lampion?) is the name for the Brugmansia. Not to be confused with "Lamphong" for the Datura.
They don't do well in most parts of Isaan. Tried here in Roiet without success. Maybe too dry or soil type not conducive to them.
Cigarettes for asthmatics are made with the Datura plant, used as drugs by some silly guys...
hi
datura is usually called
don lampong
or
dok lampong
i.e. speaker tree or speaker flower
because the flower looks like an old gramaphone speaker
there are other names for it in various SE Asian dialects and languages
various Datura species are thought to be native to Asia e.g. Datura metel, whereas Dartura stramonium is probably native so South/Central America
it's used mixed with tobacco or ganja, usually as dried leaves --- mixed with ganja it gets you very high
herbalists use it as a remedy for asthma and sinus congestion
Chantaburi in Central Thailand, and Chiang Rai and Mae Hong Son in the North are good places to find Datura growing
seeds are dangerously toxic if more than a couple are eaten
my advice: do not play around with this plant! you might end up dead
Already gave warnings about this plant and a link to the erowid site, just in case anyone is thinking of tinkering around with this very VERY powerful hallucinogen. A potential killer.
Wow, what a flash from the past.
Dattura seeds. Made into tea.
Fast for at least 24hours before drinking said tea.
You will be sick
Take off within the hour of ingestion.
Landed.......... no idea, lots later.
Ahh the early 70s.
Such fun, such danger, such .............. stuff. :)
I'd love to see someone (with a sitter) be followed about with a camera whilst under the influence of datura. The closest I've come is reading the experiences on Erowid.
Sounds like a wild trip, not one I'd fancy though. The constant thirst, the madness, the looonnnnng hangover and blurred vision.
Not for me but I'd be interested in watching. Much like the LSD expirements the US Military did back in the 60's.
Did it a couple of times. Really quite extraordinary. I think the effect was reduced by making a tea. It was, however, quite err......... interesting.
Far more intense and deep than acid.
Far more potent that mescaline.
Fly agaric and their ilk don't even get close.
Ahhhh, happy days. Never again though.
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Originally Posted by filch
Didn't get that, as I remember.
Dope cured the hangover. Vision was as blurred as ever, no worriesQuote:
Originally Posted by filch
That's what we payed for. That's why we took it. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by filch
yeh, it is a powerful deleriant in the sense that you will loose self-control and get very confused...
and it is a true hallucinogen in the sense that users see things which aren't there and thinks they are real
many users become very scared and very agressive --- a friend of mine was attacked in India by a man high on datura
but the main point is it's very very TOXIC
if you eat or drink a hallucinogenic dose of datura it will trash your liver and your nervous system
long term effects on your health of the f-ing over datura will give your CNS can be hard to treat with conventional medicine
atropine and scopolamine inhibit communication along nerves - hence the delerium and confusion
the only person I know personally who used this plant throughout his life died of liver cancer in his 60s...
so did Carlos Castaneda
the health consequences of misusing datura are well know in traditional medicine in Asia and the Americas
if you've been playing about with it my advice would be to go and see a traditional herbal doctor --- your system is bound to be way out of balance
^ bollocks mate.
Did it a couple of times in the 70s
No major problems..
I did just throttle a dwarf though.
does that count.
:)
i'm joking.......
You paid for it? It grows freely.
All reports I've read mentioned an unquenchable thirst.
Furthest I went was LSD, but almost tried the '80's business mans' version DMT. But chickened out, must admit the reports I read about DMT are astounding!
Not many people are aware that IBM used to give their Design Engineers LSD and that's how today we have the modern microchip!
Drugs, without them where would we be!
never did dmt.
I'd joined up by then. Wouldn't have mixed. :)
Not in Aberdeen, as far as I'm aware.Quote:
Originally Posted by filch