Israel defies US over settlements

Here we go again. Enough rhetorical nonsense from Israeli government on how much they desire peace. Billions of dollars in aid given to a country which has done nothing but derail any effort to achieve a semblance of stability to the region. Time for the staunch allies of Israel to cut them off completely.

"Israel has officially approved the construction of 455 new settlements in the occupied West Bank, defying demands by the US and others for a freeze on settlement building.

Israel's defence ministry announced the decision to continue with settlement building on Monday.

"Defence Minister Ehud Barak has authorised the construction of 455 housing units in settlement blocs" in the occupied West Bank, the ministry said.

The US wants Israel to stop settlement activity and Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, has demanded a freeze as a condition for returning to peace negotiations.

Israeli officials announced on Friday that Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel's prime minister, intended to give the go-ahead for the new projects before considering a halt.

Netanyahu's move is widely seen as an attempt to cement the support of his coalition government, many members of which are committed to expanding Israel's borders into the West Bank."


Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Israel defies US over settlements

America won't put any serious pressure on them just blow some hot air to look as though they are objecting as they are going to need Israel to take out Irans nuclear capability.

Afraid you are right. Will likely hear the usual "deeply troubling" or "deep concern" from Hillary.

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Originally Posted by Norton

Here we go again. Enough rhetorical nonsense from Israeli government on how much they desire peace. Billions of dollars in aid given to a country which has done nothing but derail any effort to achieve a semblance of stability to the region. Time for the staunch allies of Israel to cut them off completely.

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Exactly.

This is an utterly cynical move by the Israeli right knowing full well that Obama has got his hands full with all the ludicrous hysteria being drummed up against health care reform and the stimulus package stuff.

He probably can't challenge the influence of the mighty Israeli lobbying machine in Washington at this time and they know it so that scumbag Netanyahu pushes this through now to appease his extreme minority partners.

It is time indeed to force the Israelis back to the negotiating table, a complete suspension of aid until talks restart seems to be the only thing they will listen to.

They are a sovereign state and us Americans never meddle in affairs that don't concern us. usaflag1

eventually the US will need to stand up to israel, but of course this will be political suicide for whoever decides enough is enough. the only scenario i can foresee is obama doing it after the 2014 mid-terms....and unfortunately that isn't very likely either IMO.

can't wait for Iran to have nukes, so the balance of power in the region is restored, and those nasty Israelis kept in check

Can't wait 'til Iran has Nukes which gives Israel justification for turning those facilities into a parking lot...:rolleyes:

Would much rather see Israel disarmed of it's nukes. Religeous fanatics with nuclear bombs, whether it be Iran, Pakistan or anybody make the world a dangerous place.

Israelis are dangerous fanatics, the war on terror should start with them

Iran with nukes is the only solution for peace in the region,

^ Would you be willing to print out this whole page and eat your words if you are proven wrong? :)

Hopefully Obama is voted out and replaced by a real man. Rumour has it that Mitch Daniels is going to run for President with Jeb as his VP.

If we have some balls in the WH we might crank up the draft and assist Israel in wiping Iran off the face of the earth. :)

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Iran with nukes is the only solution for peace in the region,

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I posted a very nice post on this thread and it is gone,,
But anyway Bfly, where are you buying that shit??
It is damn sure a better quality than we used to get out of Afghanistan.

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Originally Posted by MrG

Would much rather see Israel disarmed of it's nukes. Religeous fanatics with nuclear bombs, whether it be Iran, Pakistan or anybody make the world a dangerous place.

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Agreed, 100%

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Iran with nukes is the only solution for peace in the region,

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Stop trolling the adult orientated threads, stay in Computers where we can all laugh at your feeble attempts or MKP. Twat.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Iran with nukes is the only solution for peace in the region,

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:mein: Just like Germany stabilized Europe and France. :frog:

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eventually the US will need to stand up to israel, but of course this will be political suicide for whoever decides enough is enough. the only scenario i can foresee is obama doing it after the 2014 mid-terms....and unfortunately that isn't very likely either IMO.

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I'd have to agree... The sad things is that the majority of American's give a ratz ass about Israel... It's the Joo power brokers that pull the $$$ strings...

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Originally Posted by chitown

Just like Germany stabilized Europe and France.

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no, just like the USA has stabilized Iraq and Afghanistan :rolleyes:

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Would you be willing to print out this whole page and eat your words if you are proven wrong?

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you are not making any sense, how can I be proven wrong ? Iran has nukes and it's a question of time before Israel realize that they have no leverage and will need to go the bargaining table and shut the fuck up. Regardless, they are screwed long term.

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Originally Posted by MrG

Would much rather see Israel disarmed of it's nukes.

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not going to happen, you fight fire with fire, and that is giving nukes to their enemy

it worked great between 2 crazy superpower, the USSR and the USA, why not between Iran and Israel ?

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Originally Posted by Muadib

The sad things is that the majority of American's give a ratz ass about Israel... It's the Joo power brokers that pull the $$$ strings...

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Don't know any "Jew power brokers...", just corporate interests with international interests, big media and American politicians in their pockets.

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Originally Posted by MrG

Would much rather see Israel disarmed of it's nukes.

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not going to happen, you fight fire with fire, and that is giving nukes to their enemy

it worked great between 2 crazy superpower, the USSR and the USA, why not between Iran and Israel ?

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The world in a state of suspended terror for 30-40 years is not my idea of "working great", especially if with parties on the extreme. Religious fanatics with bombs postured toe-to-toe might not be so restrained for so long.

^ I disagree, the cold war brought a certain stability and was probably the best thing that ever happened after WW2, the nuke kept everyone in check

Israel is an annoying little bug that will need to be dealt with eventually, Iran could serve that purpose effectively with little effort and cost

stability in the middle east is key for our economic growth, as long as oil is flowing cheap. I wouldn't surprised if GW Bush big plan was to disrupt the flow supply so it could create a supply crisis and jack up the price for his oil buddies. His nervous laugher at a press conf just before the war when he was asked if Iraq was key to "cheap oil" might have just revealed that evil plan of his.

Religious fanatics aren't dangerous, corporations are.

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If we have some balls in the WH we might crank up the draft and assist Israel in wiping Iran off the face of the earth.

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Israel has been assisted by "real" men for far too long. The ME problem persists after billions of dollars of assistance.

The Israelis have made only one significant concession toward peace and since have done nothing but increase tensions in the region.

You and others never fail to take the opportunity to take a run on Obama. In this case make the Israeli issue somehow his fault. Nothing to do with Obama. The "real" men of which you seem so fond have failed to do a damn thing in bringing peace too the region in the 60 years Israel has existed.

The real men have left Obama with two wars and a failed economy to deal with. Obama made it plain he expected the Israelis to stop the expansion of settlements. Remains to be seen what his response will be to this news but at least he had the balls to make it plain to Israel what was expected.

As far as Israel bombing Iran, can't believe anyone with a bit of sense would support such a move including the Israelis. A can of worms would be opened that would inevitably drag the US and others into another war. Just what the US needs right now, a third war in the middle east. A region that ain't worth much in the overall scheme of things.

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Israel is an annoying little bug that will need to be dealt with eventually, Iran could serve that purpose effectively with little effort and cost

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But then what? With nukes in the neighborhood all around (Pakistan, India, Israel) and the US intermittentenly threatening to bomb it, Iranian leadership could say, with some justification, that obtaining nuclear bombs is a defensive move. But using it is another matter. I don't want to see Israel or anybody else "dealt with" with a nuclear bomb.

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Originally Posted by raycarey

this will be political suicide for whoever decides enough is enough.

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There are emerging disagreements within the US Jewish communities on the level of support the US should be giving to Israel. Only a sense I get but I believe within the near future the pro Israel Lobby will play an insignificant role in US elections

From the Settlements to Iran & Nukes.

I don't see any progress of anything new in the Israeli-Pali dispute.

As for Iranian nukes, someone might want to start a new thread for "will there be an attack on Iran" before the end of the year.

We've been listening to speculation and "reports" about a possible strike by Israel against Iran. Will it happen? If so, when? Price of oil as a result.

Anyway, Israel will continue to build and expand in the settlements, IMO. There won't be Pali statehood, and this issue will continue for many, many years.

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Would much rather see Israel disarmed of it's nukes. Religeous fanatics with nuclear bombs, whether it be Iran, Pakistan or anybody make the world a dangerous place.

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Agreed, 100%

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I would have to include Merika on this list too... Cristian nutters who started the whole cycle of nuclear proliferation...

Problem is, for the most part the Ruskies are atheists... No moral imperative there for disarmament...

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Originally Posted by Muadib

I would have to include Merika on this list too... Cristian nutters who started the whole cycle of nuclear proliferation...

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I would inclued anybody on the list that has them.

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Problem is, for the most part the Ruskies are atheists... No moral imperative there for disarmament...

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Don't need God for a moral imperitave, just a moral imperitave. Like you said, look what the Christian Nutters have done so far.

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As far as Israel bombing Iran, can't believe anyone with a bit of sense would support such a move ....

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The way Neville Chamberlin felt appeasing Hitler?:mid:

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I would have to include Merika on this list too... Cristian nutters who started the whole cycle of nuclear proliferation...

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If memory serves me it was Hitler who first started with atoms and was getting close until US pulled some shit and came up with THE BOMB, and used it to stop a war and it has not been used since.
Now that fucking nutter in NK is liable to pop one off just anytime, as is well known, he gives a fuck for the lives of his own people and he is a short timer with pancreatic cancer and that is a pretty painful death and is damn sure terminal so he has got everything to gain, Being the first to start a war with one, and gives him a real legendary finish, and he gives a fuck how many die, which might not be so bad as there is at least twice the number of people on the face of the planet as it can support for very long.
But being fewer people would not help to much as most of the face of the planet would be HOT and unusable anyway.

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But then what?

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then it's a balance of power, they all freeze and wait

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that obtaining nuclear bombs is a defensive move.

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it's already the justification for Iran, and thanks to Iraq, the USA has legitimized their quest for Nuclear Weapon. They have perfectly the right to defend themselves from the perceived threat of an illegal invasion.

it would also make a lot of sense for NK to have nukes, as a balance of power in the region. Pakistan and India are too busy scaring each other so they are harmless.

Time for the US to start reducing economic aid to Israel.
Time for the EU to start a limited trade embargo with Israel too.

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past time.

well past.

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They are a sovereign state and us Americans never meddle in affairs that don't concern us. usaflag1

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You'll find this model repeated quite often....until it becomes real and true.:mid:

^ I hope that Chitown's remark was sarcastic... If not, it is well and truly sardonic...

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Would much rather see Israel disarmed of it's nukes. Religeous fanatics with nuclear bombs, whether it be Iran, Pakistan or anybody make the world a dangerous place.

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Agreed, 100%

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I would have to include Merika on this list too... Cristian nutters who started the whole cycle of nuclear proliferation...

Problem is, for the most part the Ruskies are atheists... No moral imperative there for disarmament...

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Religions (all) are the problem, develop a bomb that can wipe out all traces and history of religious beliefs everywhere and Bob's your uncle. Just imagine if all the arrogant self-important twats had to accept that they in reality are no more than advanced apes? that new-found humbleness would go a long way towards peace, your tree? my tree? WTF as long as we both have a banana.

I am a raving atheist and I will venture the claim that morality based on reality and real facts of life is the only one worth having.

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past time.

well past.

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Not in your lifetime...heh..:mid:

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Israel has been assisted by "real" men for far too long. The ME problem persists after billions of dollars of assistance.

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That wouldn't have anything to do with the rich Jews fuelling political coffers in the States, would it?

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Just imagine if all the arrogant self-important twats had to accept that they in reality are no more than advanced apes? that new-found humbleness would go a long way towards peace, your tree? my tree? WTF as long as we both have a banana.

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Ah, but the problems begin when there is only one banana.

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That wouldn't have anything to do with the rich Jews fuelling political coffers in the States, would it?

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Certainly a non-partisan lobby. They are willing to contribute support to both parties. Also, throw in the support from Defense companies who directly receive about $1.5 billion a year in US taxpayer funded arms sales to Israel.