If the planet remains intact.
I think not, if folks cannot even get along and make peace on their own street. Or, maybe if Obama become world emperor, he can dictate all the rules.
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If the planet remains intact.
I think not, if folks cannot even get along and make peace on their own street. Or, maybe if Obama become world emperor, he can dictate all the rules.
6.8 billion.
Impossible.
Even less likely as countries get carved up into increasingly smaller sovereign states.
As global resources run out, food and water become more scarce and the effects of global warming take over raping and pillaging by the more powerful nations will become common place.
The more powerful will survive and the lesser fortunate will be absorbed or eliminated.
Probably not this century but not too far after.
You are probably right, I only hope the beer don't run out in my lifetime, the rest we as individuals unfortunately cant do much to stop, our children and grandchildren are facing tough times ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
Survival of the fittest, then. Or Mother Earth will send more disasters?
Small nations have proven more than capable of raping and pillaging.
Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda, for example.
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Originally Posted by Texpat
Some small nations have a BIGGGG friend :)
The OP makes no sense at all.
World with or without war? Under what historical context. Emporer?
Not understand.
Obama? The world has about 178 nationa-state.
What is the point of this thread?
^ Sure it does. I want to know what people think, including those who attack the US all the time. World Emperor Obama? Why not. What's he going to do after US prez?
^ There's an opening as a french fry cook at McDonald's on Lake Shore Drive in Chicago...
The military industrial complex is far to powerful to allow any sort of lasting peace in the world.
It seems to be human nature to try and dominate one another.
Not a possibility, as long as Americans exist.
Now that's ironic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
Sorry LT, but I disagree. Nothing is "running out" and global warming is nothing but a fairy tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
War is inevitable because men are power hunger.
Real men.....Quote:
Originally Posted by chitownSorry LT, but I disagree. Nothing is "running out" and global warming is nothing but a fairy tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
War is inevitable because men are power hunger.
i thought you flounced....
Not until there is a single World Government.
I reckon about five hundred more years.
Man has nothing to do with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Earl
It is the way of the world and every animal specie on it, Dogs do it and the tough one runs it and then they Pack.
Chimps do it and war with neighboring tribes and eat the losers.
Indians did it before white men came, so it wasn't because of over crowding, but it make it more prevalent.
Cro-magnon and Neanderthal had it out in Europe, even before the Indians came and displaced Clovis man, Kenewick man was in there someplace too before Indians [who uninformed call Native Americans] in North America.
even ground squirrels fight for territory, so when everything else can get along, man might learn how to do it too.
I suppose the determination it takes to keep ones head burried so firmly in the sand should be admired.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitownSorry LT, but I disagree. Nothing is "running out" and global warming is nothing but a fairy tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
6.8 billion people.
How much food do you think 6.8 billion people consume every day?
How many motor vehicles do you think are produced every day? how many useless unnecessary plastic items produced just for profits sake every day?
Do you assume the oil supply is infinite? or the iron supply? or any number of non renewable resources. Or even renewable resources (water).
Been to a fish market lately? tonnes of fish at thousands upon thousand of markets every day.
To deny global warming is just thick. Glaciers all over the world are melting and retreating at a rate never seen by humans before.
it is inevitable that the oceans will rise by at least a foot this century.
Deforestation, rising sea levels, depletion of resources, rising populations.
Something's got to give.
[quote=Dug;1145427]6.8 billion people.
How much food do you think 6.8 billion people consume every day?
How many motor vehicles do you think are produced every day? how many useless unnecessary plastic items produced just for profits sake every day?
Populations of all species are and have been rising, including food sources.
Plenty of oil left and btw, mankind has been quite resourceful with its inventions and technology and we will come up with new alternatives. Canada and the US are sitting on oil deposits 7 times than that of the Mid-East.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug
I caught several trout in Montana this summer! Fish and shrimp farms are the bomb by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug
I spent the coldest summer in recorded history in Chicago. Things are cyclic. Even Al Gore is recanting and switched his global warming tale to climate change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug
Sorry, but history has been filled with people walking around with signs claiming "the end is near" Scarcity talk and "the sky is falling" stinkin' thinkin' is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dug
I don't buy it - not for one minute.
I am with you Chi.
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural Surin
Correct. War didn't exist until 1778 when Benjamin Franklin accidentally invented it in an attempt to create a low-calorie ranch dressing.
Also true, the energy potential of the untapped oils, gases and fats currently stored in North American buttocks is, like the buttocks, enormous.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitown
[quote=DrB0b;1145521]The Canadian sands oil is expensive to get, as well as the oil in shale in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitown
The days of cheap oil are over.
Some men are power hungry.....Quote:
Originally Posted by chitownSorry LT, but I disagree. Nothing is "running out" and global warming is nothing but a fairy tale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
War is inevitable because men are power hunger.
Future wars are inevitable... It's what form the wars will take... Most likely a viral / bacterial attack will take place, get out of hand and destroy 5/6ths of the earth's population... Oh wait, that theory has already been debunked... :mid:
no...
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Originally Posted by chitown
You are probably closer to the mark than what you think Chi and based upon your statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitown
Whilst some countries have an abundance of natural resources there are others that do not. I don't expect and when some nations run drastically short that the affluent ones are going to part with their resources without there being a high price tag on them.
This in itself will create the need for some country/ countries/ continents and may I nominate greater Europe as an example to join forces and go and get what they need to survive.
Being an Aussie I can confidently predict that at some time we will have to defend our country and its natural resources against those that desperately need whats in our grounds.
I cannot confidently predict when but I do believe an attempt to change Australian ownership will take place sometime in the next 200 years.
As long as people are the common denominator, I wouldn't bet on it.
^ Yes...Even if aliens invaded, some people would likely side with them. Kill off all their enemies and then see if they can get a piece of the new pie.
Would you like to take a shot at predicting who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
Seems to be quite obvious....:chitown:Quote:
Originally Posted by DugWould you like to take a shot at predicting who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
Penguins?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rural SurinSeems to be quite obvious....:chitown:Quote:
Originally Posted by DugWould you like to take a shot at predicting who?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
May not be via war. The British did quite well buying Manhattan Island from the natives for a few beads and trinkets. If the current trend is a predictor, Australia may well be quite content to sell the country bit by bit. Wonder what Advance Australia Fair will sound like in Mandarin?Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
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Originally Posted by Dug
:rofl: Fvck BOb you break me up at times. :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0b
To answer Dug's question I believe it will be an Asian country possibly Indonesia (long time threat already) or maybe even China (lets face it in another 50 or so years they will completely rule Asia anyway) or even Japan (they have already had one go).
[quote=Milkman;1145948]Speaking of oil reserves, in relation to this thread which oil is definitely relevant to war:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrB0bThe Canadian sands oil is expensive to get, as well as the oil in shale in the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by chitown
The days of cheap oil are over.
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Mexico's Declining Oil Production: Clarion Call for Cantarell
The eighth largest oil field in the world will be dead by the end of next year. The Cantarell complex has surely seen its share of ocean storms, human hopes, and stars since its discovery by a humble fisherman in 1976. If you’re wondering whether that fisherman has a name, the man who saw oil floating on the surface of the ocean as he gathered his nets, the answer is yes: Rudesindo Cantarell.
The days when you could find a supergiant oil field while fishing are over. Cantarell came late, in the oil age. That meant this global giant would receive all the best doctoring modern technology could provide. The result is that Cantarell was pumped out effectively and hard, especially after the technique to re-pressurize the field was adopted. This allowed for a spike high of daily production to be captured for several years, late in its life when a field would otherwise go into gentle decline. The result? Quicker monetization of the oil for the benefit of the Mexican state. But then the price: a catastrophic, fast crash. (click on chart to enlarge)
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2009/08/615.jpg
Chris Nelder, energy analyst and author of Profit from the Peak, also watches Mexico quite keenly and we both had an enormously long telephone call about Cantarell back in early January, of this year 2009. While we both have been tracking the decline of Mexico’s oil production for years, and knew that Cantarell was crashing, I was shocked when Chris said, “Oh yeah. That field could head below 500 thousand barrels a day (kb/day) by the end of this year.”
Now, one has to realize that this conversation was occurring just after New Year’s, and the most recently available data was for November, which had closed out just 5 weeks earlier. In that month, Cantarell produced 862 kb/day. In addition, Cantarell had started 2008 with January production of 1243 kb/day. Now let’s look at Cantarell’s production numbers for the most recent month of 2009, in July: 588 kb/day. As someone remarked on The Oil Drum, this looks to be a linear, rather than an exponential decline. Interesting observation. If Cantarell is indeed losing a steady 35 kb/day a month in production, then by Christmas of next year we’ll be close to zero. (click to enlarge)
https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2009/08/616.jpg
covered the implications of this supply crash in the March issue of my Gregor.us Monthly newsletter, Saga North America: How The North American Oil Crisis Will Force Ottawa, Washington, and Mexico City to Confront One Another As Never Before. In that report, I forecast the next oil crisis will unfold as Mexico loses the ability to export oil, starting sometime in late 2011. However, as so often is the case in this era of peak oil, that forecast now looks optimistic. Mexico will need all the oil they produce for their own economy. But to have an economy, Mexico will also need to solve the problem of another decline: the crash in oil revenues, upon which Mexico has depended for so many decades.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1578...-for-cantarell
Reading this thread I would say that Chitown should wear the "asshat" for being the most ignorant and stupid poster. I mean really.
JHC people of course it is possibleQuote:
Is a Future without War Possible?
will it be that way is an entirely different question .
War will never end. Ever!
^
possible to find some comfort in that also , as it implies we won't succeed in destroying the earth :mid: