I am looking for a tefl course , heard adout Ban Phe ,Pattaya and Chiang mai .
I met a dude that did it in Ban phe , said it was good .
Is there a better course or do you think i should do it there ?
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I am looking for a tefl course , heard adout Ban Phe ,Pattaya and Chiang mai .
I met a dude that did it in Ban phe , said it was good .
Is there a better course or do you think i should do it there ?
Ban Phe sounds like the best choice, can nip over to Koh Samet for the week ends, obviously if you want to become a whore mongering teacher then you can't beat Pattaya, learn in the day and go out drinking and whoring in the evenings.
I went to TEFL Intercontinental in Pattaya. They were decent people and they placed me in a job 2 years ago that I like and am still working. It was worth every baht I paid. I still had to find my own method of teaching, but their course was pretty good and it fulfilled the requirement.
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Originally Posted by theface
anywhere is good if it makes you know it's called TOEFL
... well, given that TOEFL is TOEFL and TEFL is TEFL and that they are utterly different from each other I'd say you must be a tefler, which is similar to TEFLON only more seems to stick to that...:rolleyes:
why not IELTS?
Don't bother with TELF etc, these are mickey mouse now, do a CELTA, it's given more credit internationally and you can teach all over the world with. If you're a real smart arse then do a DELTA (it's hard though) and land a really decent job someplace like the British Council or international school etc.
You can do a CELTA in Bangkok, Chiang Mai or Phuket, it's a one month course, 9am-5pm, lots to do and lots of observed teaching. The reason it's (CELTA) given more credit internationally is because you can fail it, can't fail a TEFL.
Google them both and compare but it is worth mentioning that the CELTA is Cambridge's teacher training certificate and all over Asia "Cambridge" is a magic word that opens all sorts of doors. Oxford do one as well but it isn't known so well.
Do a CELTA.
celta
Disagree totally. The CELTA does not really teach you how to teach. Depending on where you do your TEFL certification, you will end up being a much more rounded teacher.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
Personally I have not found that the acronym CELTA opens any more doors than a decent TEFL.
It seems as thought the Brits are acronym crazy and the Americans are making up new words as they go along. Had birthday dinner last night with my two daughters and was continually suprised at the number of new words that they made up during the conversation. If it sounds good and meets the syntax criterion--they use it. Example: Julie's parties are
"funner" than Jim's parties.
Went out fishing for "carpin"on Saturday night. (means they smoked weed)
Look up--funner and carpin in the Oxford dictionary.
You've 'personally found' that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vientianeboy
So you did a CELTA, and applied for jobs.
Then you did a TEFL and applied for jobs, not mentioning your CELTA.
Your dedication to research is admirable. Tell us more.
In particular, can you give more details about the weaknesses of the CELTA course that you took.
Fatuous comments Cyrille.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
I have a BA. Dip Ed. Grad Dip Work ed. Grad Dip Comp and a TEFL. I think with over 30 years teaching, (how many do you have?) that I am qualified to discuss the validity or otherwise of a language course. The CELTA does NOT teach you methodolgy on how to teach kids. It is a British based, conservative course which does not use modern teaching methodologies. I have sat in on a number of CELTA classes and have trained a number of CELTA teachers. So, have I told you enough?
Of course, it depends WHERE and WHO your TEFL teacher is; but then again, the same rider applies to CELTA.
Comment to spitfire: a CELTA or a DELTA on its own will Not get you a job at an international school!
He's known for them on Ajarn. It's just one of many. The word 'misanthropist' was coined for Cyrille.Quote:
Originally Posted by VientianeboyFatuous comments Cyrille.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyrille
What a load of bullshit! What are your motivations for that stupid comment? You obviously know Jack shit about teaching qualifications or are pushing an agenda, perhaps a conflict of interests maybe. The TEFL is a non-fail load of wank that has had it's day!Quote:
Originally Posted by Vientianeboy
:sssh: :smileylaughing:https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
"Non fail"? That shows you how little you know. As someone who has been a principal in Thailand, and has taught for over 30 years in Australia, Germany and Laos, I guess "yes", I know "jack shit" about teaching qualifications. Tell me, what do you know about the CELTA? Are you a Brit by any chance that you support a poorly designed, archaic course because it is British? I would gather from your limited use of vocabulary and your incorrect usage of grammar that you are not a teacher? Or maybe your vocabulary is limited because you did a CELTA?
I love these ajarn fights about is a 3 week TEFL as good as a 1 month CELTA?? ;)
CELTA has more letters, but TEFL is neater
I LOVE THESE THREADS. Oh yearning for the days of ajarn.com lol
"I love these ajarn fights about is a 3 week TEFL as good as a 1 month CELTA??"
Most TEFLs are at least 4 weeks these days. Some are 6.
I notice Spitfire did not address any of the points I made. CELTAs are good for teaching you grammar and how to create lesson plans; they are weak when it comes to addressing classroom technique - how to cope with kids, how to teach in mixed ability classes etc. Also the courses are very set in terms of curriculum; there is very little initiative available for the trainer to tailor the course to the participants. All in all, it comes down to who is teaching the course.
No sense starting a pissing match VB, we just disagree. BTW, not true about classroom technique, it's one of the most important parts of the CELTA, well, the one I was on anyhow. Depends where you do them (CELTA and TEFL), not all the places are the same, ECC does a decent CELTA course and are given more credit internationally than TEFL, look it up dude, Ajarn.com will tell you. Don't get me wrong though, TEFL is OK as well, depends on the individual and how competent they are in the first place. Maybe I was a bit damning in the first post, it was 12:54 am :mid:. Enough from me as this is a subject with no conclusion as those with a TEFL will defend the TEFL and those with a CELTA will defend the CELTA, it's a case of opinions are like arseholes, everyone has got one, that's why I didn't bother replying swiftly, however, having thought about it then decided to reply as no harm can be done and the truth is an elusive concept, as always. Another sideline benefit of a CELTA is the magic words of "Cambridge" on the paper and we all know how hopelessly brainwashed the Thais/Asians are to institutional names etc, regardless of how silly that is. These extra qualifications do little other than open doors for you as many/most places will not allow you to really use the ESOL skills properly due to class size/management interference/Thai educational dogma and practice etc, the list goes on. So actually, it's all bollox because most places you work in, with the exception of real international schools in Bangkok etc, will not give you a conducive environment to practice these skills effectively anyhow as most schools are run as businesses rather than educational facilities. I could go on but won't insult everyone's experience and intelligence etc.
:rofl: and a 6 minute abs video is sooooo much better than a 7 minute abs video :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vientianeboy
As many far wiser than I have said before... what you put in is what you get out. The real learning starts when you get your own classroom and start figuring out how what you learned applies to how you can actually apply it. (doesn't it?) And then, the same rule applies... what you put in is what you get out.
One of my best psych professors talked about a certain magic which exists in the bond between teacher and student. It is in that magic that the real learning takes place. I agree, and maybe someday I will figure that out...
What have you got Willy?A two minute finger extension course?
yes i do belive my presense in a classroom will be a blessing to any student.
But I guess primary target will be females age 18-20. I can do a world of good to youngster in that distressing age.
Apart from my excellent teaching skills, my pleasant and giving natur is a winner. But although im a giver, and a lover, a sign of appreciation, like a good salary is deaply appreciated.
Any info regarding a top noch educational institution for young ladies in Pattaya.
I feel the urge to educate and shear,.. so many things to so many
but with so little time i have to be selective
i do miss that crazy country, despite all the crazy stuff
maybe a tf.. course is something
john gleese as the principal
I'm afraid to say that many of you are or at least appear to be functionally illiterate. When you are making simple errors in choice of word, tense, basic verb-noun agreement, and spelling, I sense you have more ambition than ability. A program with an entrance exam and a final exam would go a long way to ensure quality English teachers are available.
This is Teakdoor. Literacy is not necessary to post here, but I wish it was.
If you want to complain about literacy, go to the pathetic Ajarn website, home of the ignorant, uneducated and naive drug-takers and pissheads that pass for teachers of English in Thailand.
I agree, but I've seen much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
"youknowitry to ritebut myspeling nogod so i try to teach englihs inthailandiworkalldayforgod$ .... ad infinitum, ad nauseam.
Question: Why do the ignorant always seem to have their mouths open?
I'm not complaining so much as pointing out a fact, that if one wants to teach English, one should be qualified. Is that too much to ask?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
Thought so. Irony is plainly lost on you. There's a surprise ...Quote:
Originally Posted by elche
Yes. It's a fact IN YOUR EYES, that teachers of English should be qualified to teach English (which is not what you said in your poorly expressed post). I have found a lot of teachers of English in Thailand to be perfectly adequate at teaching the language, despite being completely unqualified.Quote:
I'm not complaining so much as pointing out a fact, that if one wants to teach English, one should be qualified. Is that too much to ask?
That's because the average Thai learning English is as thick as a pudding and can barely comprehend what day it is, never mind understand past perfect tense or how to use a modal or auxiliary verb ('where are you come from' and 'I don't sure' spring readily to mind), or how to stop stressing final syllables and hence sounding like an uneducated twat every time they open their mouths and speak English.
'I like play computeeerrr' ...
celta.
I thought it was customary to use capital letters when using acronyms. So it would be CELTA.Quote:
Originally Posted by inconsequential
Of course, I could hark back to the '50's and say it should be C.E.L.T.A.
Not much idea but friend asked me to find out. I did see some argument here about CELTA is better, oh no it isn't oh yea it is crap. I see you cannot ask the question on Ajarn for some reason. Lady wants to teach under ten year olds, has a degree but nothing English language related, any suggestions?
CELTYL: YL = for Young Learners
Can't see one in BKK, but Hong Kong British Council have one listed.
Cambridge ESOL: Cambridge ESOL
[quote=dirty dog;113080/, obviously if you want to become a whore mongering teacher then you can't beat Pattaya, learn in the day and go out drinking and whoring in the evenings.[/quote]
Considering the money most TEFL teachers make i dont imagine there will be much left for drinking and whoring once he has taken care of his accommodation, food etc.
For those who claim that the CELTA opens more doors, etc, I don't understand. IME, at the entry level, either a TEFL or CELTA will suffice in Thailand, that I believe is 100% certain. As others have mentioned, a CELTA alone ain't going to get you in an international school.
Now, if one wishes to move into higher paying Asian and middle eastern teaching markets, again, a CELTA alone will not get you into these highly-competitive arenas, yes?
If you want to move beyond entry level jobs, you'll need qualifications beyond a CELTA or TEFL: Masters degree, "proper" teaching qualifications etc.
Therefore, CELTA vs TEFL is largely irrelevant if you're looking for a either a short term or long term career change. On the short term side of things, either cert will do, for long term career folks, you'll need more advanced qualifications.
It's true that CELTA has more brand recognition. But what exactly does that buy you besides bragging rights?
Interestingly, the private school were I work is an official Cambridge ESOL testing and training test prep center. This is a big draw with the parents. However, none of the teachers at the school have CELTAs...almost 100% have TEFL certs (I'm not sure what certs our non-native teachers have, most have home country teaching quals I believe). Yet we were officially recognized and authorized by Cambridge as a Cambridge Test Center, and our test scores are some of the best in the land.
As for me, I wanted to get my cert here in Thailand, so I came here and checked out each facility. I found TEFL to have much better customer service, so I went with them.
I understand some folks are attracted to CELTA's supposed exclusivity and snotty British attitude, but I've already got proper teaching qualifications from back home so I ain't impressed by some mickey-mouse 4-week training shop putting on airs.
I found Dave Hopkins in Ban Phe to be one the best teachers I've ever encountered.
"Do I work at ECC,?" that's funny, Bangyai.
How many teachers with home qualifications are there at ECC do you reckon?
See if you can figure this out:
12.5 contact hours per week
3 months paid vacation
Yearly flight bonus, round trip ticket or cash
Yearly Christmas bonus consisting of one month's salary
10% yearly raise
Health insurance
Now, where do I work Einstein?
Correct and well said. For entry level you don't even need a CELTA/TEFL unless you don't have a college degree or the ability to speak and write English. Some Thai people equate a TEFL with a college education and proof you can speak and write English despite one(TEFL courses) being one-six weeks and the other(College/University) generally being three-four years full time. With a B.A/B.S. from any college/university(even online ones) no TEFL required, period/full stop, in Thailand. Even if the college degree is from third world countries such as the Republic of the Philippines it will usually not be inspected, verified, or checked out for authinticity or accreditation etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud
The degree doesn't matter to the TEFL outfits. The price will be the same for no degree, non English speaking etc., as it is for someone with a Ph.D. from Harvard in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by oggie911
Can you complete a TEFL online at all? I am asking as I would eventually like to teach English in Thailand, however, with working in the Middle East at present, it is difficult to secure enough time off to take part in a residential course.
Many thanks
Depends if you want to teach elsewhere. Thailand doesn't recognize the difference in the certs, so it doesn't matter which you have. A CELTA is great, gives you a bigger box of tools with which to work and is recognized as an international standard. Controlling a classroom is something learned over time;no course can really teach you to do it.
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Originally Posted by Bexar County Stud
Are those really your conditions of employment?