Filipino scam

I’m presently employed directly by my school teaching PE and English Intensive P1. However, I’m a little concerned over a Filipino teacher. She is very pleasant and has recently replaced another Filipino who was here for only a week before he left, he didn’t inform the agency he works for or the school. This I have just found out.

The conversation arose because she is concerned about her wage and how she would be paid; this is when I realized the scam. It appears the first Filipino who works for an agency is applying for the jobs, which he than hands over to another Filipino without telling the agency or the school. He then takes a cut of the teachers’ wages.

The point being this lady shouldn’t be working here, and neither does the agency have her account details to pay her. She is presumably putting her trust in this guy, and no doubt he is taking the larger cut.

Do I inform the school or stay out of it?

Do you really care if she is getting ripped off? If so talk to the agency.

If not don't

I don't care about her agency, I was more concerend about the school. I suppose it's not my business so i'll leave there.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

I suppose it's not my business so i'll leave there.

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Good idea

She is paying a commission to agency or this other guy either way. maipenrai

Seems she was not qualified to get the job in the first place so ultimately it will be the students who will suffer. I'd say something, anonymously.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

I don't care about her agency, I was more concerend about the school. I suppose it's not my business so i'll leave there.

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Think of the kids! Am guessing you're a fellow teacher? :confused:

From my experience, but not in the education industry, this type of scam is occurring all the time with mid to low skilled expats who are not of the bar trade variety(the ones most exploited).

Expat Thai's are also very susceptible to "brokers" who commission costs of relocating (repaying the passage), salary % cut and then launder the remittance exchange rate who can very nasty if the worker does not complete the employment contract or pays "the fees" on time.

Up to you, but tread very carefully as their is likely to be some one at the top who is a local and could make your life and career very difficult.

I would expect the school to notice a change of teacher.:confused:

I agree with the posters who say it is the kids who will suffer. So very true.

The way I see it is you have 2 choices. 1. Shut up and be a part of the problem by allowing it to continue, or 2. Open up and be part of the solution. Besides, your job is not at stake.

Yes, I am leaning over more to inform the school. If this was a man then I'm sure I wouldn't even hesitate considering recent reports of abuse. There are three of us that know already, and as well as her spoken English not being too clear, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before someone becomes suspicious.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Yes, I am leaning over more to inform the school. If this was a man then I'm sure I wouldn't even hesitate considering recent reports of abuse. There are three of us that know already, and as well as her spoken English not being too clear, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before someone becomes suspicious.

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Helloooo...!!!!!

3 of you know, by not informing the school, and waiting for them to find out on their own, your silence will only serve to make all of the farang teachers in your school suspect. Your already disliked by the Thai teachers because you earn more money than them. Report it, all three of you and you will make yourselves look good. Stay silent and the opposite will surely happen.

bunch of sanctimonious twats.

if it is the sort of school that does not even notice a change of teacher, then it is hardly the sort of school that would all that worried anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Yes, I am leaning over more to inform the school. If this was a man then I'm sure I wouldn't even hesitate considering recent reports of abuse. There are three of us that know already, and as well as her spoken English not being too clear, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before someone becomes suspicious.

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How does lack of English skills relate in any way to paedophilia ? :confused:

poor troll Jesus.

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Originally Posted by kingwilly

bunch of sanctimonious twats.

if it is the sort of school that does not even notice a change of teacher, then it is hardly the sort of school that would all that worried anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Yes, I am leaning over more to inform the school. If this was a man then I'm sure I wouldn't even hesitate considering recent reports of abuse. There are three of us that know already, and as well as her spoken English not being too clear, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before someone becomes suspicious.

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How does lack of English skills relate in any way to paedophilia ? :confused:

poor troll Jesus.

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AMEN Kingwilly

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Originally Posted by kingwilly

if it is the sort of school that does not even notice a change of teacher

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I can't even imagine such a place. Not even as if they look similar.

You'd think the students might notice as well.:confused:

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Originally Posted by xlineshooter

Helloooo...!!!!!

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scottish, aren't you?

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Originally Posted by xlineshooter

I agree with the posters who say it is the kids who will suffer. So very true.

The way I see it is you have 2 choices. 1. Shut up and be a part of the problem by allowing it to continue, or 2. Open up and be part of the solution. Besides, your job is not at stake.

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or 3 maipenrai, they really are not learning much anyway.... Is there really a solution? dont get involved with trying to make thailand perfect

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Originally Posted by teddy

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Originally Posted by xlineshooter

Helloooo...!!!!!

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scottish, aren't you?

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If a black Amrican can be an African American, then I am going to be a Scottish, Irish, British American.

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Originally Posted by jim1176

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Originally Posted by xlineshooter

I agree with the posters who say it is the kids who will suffer. So very true.

The way I see it is you have 2 choices. 1. Shut up and be a part of the problem by allowing it to continue, or 2. Open up and be part of the solution. Besides, your job is not at stake.

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or 3 maipenrai, they really are not learning much anyway.... Is there really a solution? dont get involved with trying to make Thailand perfect

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So, "It's nothing (maipemrai). " Well you keep your head in the sand Jim and do nothing. No, there is not a solution from people like you because of "maipenrai". Well, it is something, Its a scam, known about by 3 teachers who are asking for advise. That was my advise and its good advise.

The kids are learning a lot, but unfortunately not English. And, yes there is a solution. At least a partial solution, and that is to volunteer your language skills to help these kids that want to learn. I and other posters here do that as you have probably read in other threads. Not every kid wants to learn, but we can help those that do.

Jim, when and if you Do get Involved, you will find this to be one of the most rewarding experiences of your life.

Lastly, what is the definition of a perfect country.

xlineshooter.....................making the world a better place, one post at a time.

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Originally Posted by kingwilly

bunch of sanctimonious twats.

if it is the sort of school that does not even notice a change of teacher, then it is hardly the sort of school that would all that worried anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Yes, I am leaning over more to inform the school. If this was a man then I'm sure I wouldn't even hesitate considering recent reports of abuse. There are three of us that know already, and as well as her spoken English not being too clear, I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before someone becomes suspicious.

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How does lack of English skills relate in any way to paedophilia ? :confused:

poor troll Jesus.

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Where did I say her lack of English skills pointed to her, or anyone else for that matter being a pediophile?

Oh shit! Never mind I, i briefly forgot it was you I was responding to!

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Originally Posted by flash

xlineshooter.....................making the world a better place, one post at a time.

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Isn't that the way every problem is solved? One step at a time?

Get off your computer and do something constructive for a change. Cutting on me is idiotic. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything Flash.

not every problem is solved one step at a time, get off your high horse and don't judge me or the way i spend my time, who are you to say that your time is spent more constructively than mine or anyone elses that you have never met on a web forum. you need to relax a little, you offered advice its up to who ever asked the question if the want to take your advice, harping on and on from your moral high ground is more for your benefit than anyone elses. Do you want a string of replies saying how great you are with all your wisdom?
another option is for the 3 teachers who know to speak to the new teacher, let new teacher know that he/she is involved in a scam and give new teacher the opertunity to make things right? I unlike you am not claiming to have an answer thats cut in stone, but that is another option..
there is no need for this thread even, if there are 3 adults who i assume have some level of education i'm sure they could assemble some sort of plan between them.
save your moral crusade for more worthy causes and don't judge people you know nothing about.
and if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all xlineshooter.............

Let me get this straight. The school hasn't noticed that the new employee does not have the requisite skills (English) to do the job properly. Neither have they noticed that she's apparently changed sex? :confused:

^That bit is confusing me too.

I know Thai schools can be bad, but not even knowing who the teachers are is unbelievable.

I'm a teacher and work with 2 Philippinos who are quite competent. My suggestion would be to wait and see if she is a good teacher or not. If she's good (an asset to the children) say nothing, but if she is worthless, this would be a quick simple way for the school to get rid of her.

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Originally Posted by flash

not every problem is solved one step at a time, get off your high horse and don't judge me or the way i spend my time, who are you to say that your time is spent more constructively than mine or anyone elses that you have never met on a web forum. you need to relax a little, you offered advice its up to who ever asked the question if the want to take your advice, harping on and on from your moral high ground is more for your benefit than anyone elses. Do you want a string of replies saying how great you are with all your wisdom?
another option is for the 3 teachers who know to speak to the new teacher, let new teacher know that he/she is involved in a scam and give new teacher the opertunity to make things right? I unlike you am not claiming to have an answer thats cut in stone, but that is another option..
there is no need for this thread even, if there are 3 adults who i assume have some level of education i'm sure they could assemble some sort of plan between them.
save your moral crusade for more worthy causes and don't judge people you know nothing about.
and if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all xlineshooter.............

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Flash, I wrote you 3 sentenses, none insulting. But, you write me 3 paragraphs of mostly insults. And for a second time. If you can't disagree respectfully and offer up ONLY advise to the original poster, then you my friend are way out of line. You need to relax, I don't as I said what I meant and I meant what I said.

Have a nice day Flash

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Originally Posted by BobR

I'm a teacher and work with 2 Philippinos who are quite competent. My suggestion would be to wait and see if she is a good teacher or not. If she's good (an asset to the children) say nothing, but if she is worthless, this would be a quick simple way for the school to get rid of her.

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I can agree with that. Good idea Bob.

^ Huh? Seriously? To both you & Bob.

This woman was not the one interviewed & given the job. Hence, references, qualifications and interview responses that were given and the job offer was based on are null and void. This woman might not have a valid visa. She might not have a valid teaching certificate. She might have no qualifications at all. She might even have a criminal record. She might have been sacked from her last job for some grave misdemeanour. Probably none of those apply - but checking all of those things is why resumes and interviews are used and employers don't just go out on the street and pick someone they like the look of to fill their vacancies.

You two would advocate just waiting and seeing how she does - while meantime she's in contact with the kids all the time? And nothing is known about her? :mid:

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Originally Posted by November Rain

She might not have a valid teaching certificate. She might have no qualifications at all. She might even have a criminal record. She might have been sacked from her last job for some grave misdemeanour

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Welcome to the Thai education system. Some schools care not, as long as they have someone standing in front of the class.

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Originally Posted by November Rain

^ Huh? Seriously? To both you & Bob.

This woman was not the one interviewed & given the job. Hence, references, qualifications and interview responses that were given and the job offer was based on are null and void. This woman might not have a valid visa. She might not have a valid teaching certificate. She might have no qualifications at all. She might even have a criminal record. She might have been sacked from her last job for some grave misdemeanour. Probably none of those apply - but checking all of those things is why resumes and interviews are used and employers don't just go out on the street and pick someone they like the look of to fill their vacancies.

You two would advocate just waiting and seeing how she does - while meantime she's in contact with the kids all the time? And nothing is known about her? :mid:

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I did not advocate waiting, but said it is a point I could agree too if the three teachers are uncomfortable with reporting this problem.

Now, you cast a different light on the subject, and its a good point which brings us back to the "what about the children" question. I would report it. But, now I think these teachers have enough input to make their own decision. Afterall, they have to live with whatever decision they make, we don't. But, I for one would like to hear the outcome.

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Originally Posted by Plan B

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Originally Posted by November Rain

She might not have a valid teaching certificate. She might have no qualifications at all. She might even have a criminal record. She might have been sacked from her last job for some grave misdemeanour

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Welcome to the Thai education system. Some schools care not, as long as they have someone standing in front of the class.

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I can attest to that, and add to it as well. I live in a poor farming district. There are 14 villages with primary and secondary schools, some shared by 2 or more villages. One of the most agonizing problems for us non Thai speakers is not being able to communicate when shopping. The clerks are all young and should know English, but they don't. I visit my wifes secondary class often and see her trying to teach grammer to kids who don't have basic English skills, so I started visiting the primary schools to get some answers. Here's what I found:
1. Many Thai teachers seem very complacent. They stand in front of their classes and drone on in a very boring fashion.
2. The kids get bored and don't try to learn but Thai education policy is to pass them anyway.
3. when they enter secondary school they are so far behind they couldn';t learn English if they wanted to.

IMHO, the problems line up thusly:
1. The school Administrator
2. The teachers
3. The inability to fail a student and pass them on to Secondary school.

I have to add here that I speak only from my own experience in a rural district. I do not believe the problem is as bad in some of the larger city schools. I am personal friends with a Thai gentlemen who is head of linguistics at a very large city school. He is the best English teacher I have encountered in Thailand.

Knowing what to teach is easy, knowing how to teach is a very different story.

so you think it is important for Thai's in Thailand to know English because it would be easier for you to do your food shopping?
you have come up with some theries and where to lay blame for these issues, have you considered learning the language of the country you live in and stop looking down on kids and education standards?

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Originally Posted by flash

so you think it is important for Thai's in Thailand to know English because it would be easier for you to do your food shopping?
you have come up with some theries and where to lay blame for these issues, have you considered learning the language of the country you live in and stop looking down on kids and education standards?

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Flash, what an uninformed idiot you are..!!! You should shut up and stop making yourself look so foolish to the other posters.

I wouldn't waste my time gracing your post with a reply. It would only serve to perpetuate this pointless exchange. You live your life and stay the hell out of mine.

thanks! you just ruined my sunday, i had no idea i was so stupid.
grow a set of nuts penelope and try to conform to the ways and cultures of the country you are visiting

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Originally Posted by flash

thanks! you just ruined my sunday, i had no idea i was so stupid.
grow a set of nuts penelope and try to conform to the ways and cultures of the country you are visiting

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LMAO..... You are so easy to piss off. :smileylaughing:

you must be a yank and have no sense of irony, i am very far from being pissed off or annoyed, you on the other hand.........................

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Originally Posted by November Rain

You two would advocate just waiting and seeing how she does - while meantime she's in contact with the kids all the time? And nothing is known about her?

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I had a similar argument with my boss about a guy who was showing clear signs of mental illness (claimed to be the prince of Thailand and was being chased by the Chinese mafia)

I said the guy shouldn't be in a classroom for another minute, boss said "how can we help him get to the end of term?"

^ I don't know what to say to that. Scary and sad.