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One of the things on the list is to change the ceiling in the living room. There are 2 square recesses which are covered with what looks like asbestos sheeting; this makes the room look small as it presently sits flush with the tops of the doors. Above that is about 20 inches of spaces before you hit the concrete floor above.
Is fibre board available over here and if so is it reletively cheap to have done. The 2 areas are about 4 mtrs square approx.
Cheers
Gypsum board or sheet rock as called in America is normally what is used. Relatively cheap and easy to install. You will need aluminum strips to attach the gypsum board but should be able to raise the ceiling about 15".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
Plasterboard normal price fitted is around 250baht per square meter, probably you will have to pay more as it is such a small job.
That the same as Gypsum/Sheet Rock?Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydog
Yep, all the same.
When I rented this house it had an add on kitchen but no ceiling and also had a walled in Bathroom built in one corner, I had a contactor come in and did the job and added a bunch of light fixtures/switches and plugins for 3000 baht labor and I paid I think 7000 for sheet rock, aluminum stuff and 4 in glass blanket insulation and 3 conductor wire.
he room is about 20x 25 feet.
Is it worth getting the sheets with the reflective surface? Not sure if this will make a great deal of difference with it being a small area, and the fact i will be installing recessed lights.
For that price i'll let someone else do it then.
Never seen plaster board with reflective surface. Anyway no need. Just get the regular stuff. It will be painted anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
They have plasterboard with reflective foil, never seen full sheets of it for sale already painted though and the way Thais work it would need repainting the day it was put up.
Trickiest part of installing plasterboard is getting the joints taped and finished properly. If not done right the seams will be very evident after painting.
The man I use has crews that work all over and he has many jobs going at the same time, and in all the towns around here, and his drywallers are excellent, when they finish it is taped perfectly and they also do a good job of painting.
He always has time to come see me and always has time to send a crew and he knows I will not put up with Thai standards.
He is now doing a 22 million baht apartment house here in Phetchabun among his other endeavors.
^he probably aint going to be too enthusiastic about doing jesus jones 2,000baht job then :)
Take a good look at how far up they finshed off the concrete work on the walls, sometimes they only finish them up to the point they plan on installing the ceiling.
Are you telling the truth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
Im interested to know about the use of asbestos in Thai building. I'm looking at houses at the moment to buy and one I saw today the false ceiling was dipping in one corner of the living room and also in the matching corner in the kitchen.
How long ago did Thailand stop using asbestos or did they ever stop? The house today was 15 years old.
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Originally Posted by Norton
yes, sheetrock and plasterboard are the same but..Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydog
I think the board they often use in Thailand is NOT the same as plasterboard. The latter is quite a lot thicker and is, surprisingly, plaster (gypsum) based
the boards I have seen in Thailand are cement based, and are probably better for humid climates, although the new plasterboards are moisture resisitant
but consider that Chinese gypsum/sheetrock/plasterboard is under suspicion now for chemical contamination in the States causing numerous health issues in hot humid climates..Quote:
Originally Posted by Norton
literally 100's of thousand of homes during the housing boom and recent storms caused a domestic shortage along with cheaper costs of course thus they had this sheeting and gypsum installed and are now giving off nasty chemical smells (mostly sulfur) and the fumes are so strong they have been causing things like contaminated piping, wiring and silverware for a few examples..
The reason they suspect is that the Chinese are using a less refined ash in their products and there are numerous lawsuits cropping up.
Foil back plasterboard= duplex vapour barrier
Green= moisture resistent
Pink=Fire resistent 12.5 mm 1 hour
Blue=Soundblock
Tape & jointing 1 coat filler 2 coats easy sand to tapered edge boards
Suspended ceiling MF or Gypline method,tophat every 400 mm,hangers 1200mm,primary bar 1200mm with 12mm board.
sounds like you've put up a few ceilings in your time, or did you sell it?. you wouldnt put 12 mm board on a ceiling unless building inspector asked for it or circumstances required it. ie regulations.Quote:
Originally Posted by sityparamount
I've decided i'm going to have the downstairs toilet done as well. Instead of ripping the old ceiling down, which i believe is asbestos, can it just be boarded over? I know asbestos is supposed to be lethal so should i have it ripped out?
Possibly but would be surprised if it was. Any pics?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
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anyway, you can just put boards over it
if it was asbestos, then it would be sealed in
i understood you were after the extra hight. so add more board and lose another 10mil plus. my take on asbestos. theres no doubt its dangerous, every matloe in the world over 50 or so has been living with it during his service life, not every sailer is dieing with asbestosis, every ship yard worker same same. every lagger same same. bottom line , if your lucky you dont die from asbestosis, if your unlucky you die from something else = the death rate same as its always been, one each. my oppinion is stay away from all dust . there aint no good dust.. do what you wanna do and fuck the consequencese. a man gotta do what a man gotta do. by the way, unlikely to be asbestos but... tit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
Raising the ceiling was in reference to the living room, not the bathroom.Quote:
Originally Posted by lobi understood you were after the extra hight. so add more board and lose another 10mil plus. my take on asbestos. theres no doubt its dangerous, every matloe in the world over 50 or so has been living with it during his service life, not every sailer is dieing with asbestosis, every ship yard worker same same. every lagger same same. bottom line , if your lucky you dont die from asbestosis, if your unlucky you die from something else = the death rate same as its always been, one each. my oppinion is stay away from all dust . there aint no good dust.. do what you wanna do and fuck the consequencese. a man gotta do what a man gotta do. by the way, unlikely to be asbestos but... tit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus Jones
It certainly looks like asbestons, either way i'll take it down as i want to fit new downlighters and cabling for the new shower. Fortunately the present roof has been screwed into battens in a grid formation, so assuming it is asbestos i won't need to brake it up. I'll also re-use the battens for the new ceiling as it looks quite true.
I doubt it is asbestos, more likely cement board
anyway, don't take risks, wear a mask and try not to make any dust etc when removing it
use a vacuum cleaner to clean up later, not a broom
^ Good point.
what is asbestos ? and does it look like ? how can I tell for my ceiling ?
Best way is to angle grind into the boards and breathe deeply butterfly, if in years to come you die a horrible painful death then you know it was asbestos, but most likely you will find it is cement board.
^ is that cement ? or plaster ? mine does feel like plaster, cement would seem not appropriate for a suspended ceiling, too heavy
It's called cement board, aint no way it is 100% cement as it would be heavy, I assume cement is just the binder in the board manufacter, maybe fibreglass is the bulking agent with cement binding it, got to admit I've used it loads of times but no idea what it is made of.
Every fiber of asbestos is like a small fishinghook, once inside your loungs it it will
start damageing the lounge tissue. Destrying your lounges.
If your not sure give an example to a lab.
In western contries you need special courses in how to remove asbestos.
You wear dustsuits, fresh air masks or minimum facamasks with spesial filters.
The containers must be sealed and delivered to special deposits.
The workers and the constrution site looks like a scene from ET
You do not want to do this yourself and you do not want to risk dust from this material in your home.
Also remember kids are closer to the floor surface and will inhale it in larger amount than grown ups.
What the fvck is a false ceiling?
Really you either have one or not.
I can just imagine trying to sell a house to an old Danish woman and telling her she will get a false ceiling for free.
Let alone trying to explain to my Thai foreman..............stick a couple of false ceilings over there will ya mate.
Can some fooker please explain to me what a false ceiling is and where the fook did this stupid building term originate.?
Dropped ceiling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
it's a double ceiling actually, or suspended ceiling
two have already replied!Quote:
Originally Posted by Loy Toy
amazing how helpful people can be when insulted
^ Worked anyway Andy and thanks to those that responed!:)