Neem and other trees

Anybody know the Thai name, both in english and thai scritp would be nice....for these trees.

Neem tree YouTube - NEEM - A Tree For Solving Global Problems

Lamphu (firefly tree)

The big red flame trees.
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The large tree that spreads out and in Oz I think is called the 'Rain tree'
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Think this is same as the Fig trees in Oz
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No idea what this one called
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second pic looks like a lepoard tree and the last looks like a strangler fig

With those pictures posted very difficult to give any type of identification.

The rain tree, also known as the monkey pod tree. Latin name Samanea saman, and Thai transliteration Chaam-churii.

The Flame tree, also known as Royal Pinciana, Peacock flower and Flamboyant. Latin name Delonix regia and Thai transliteration Haang-nok-yung-farang.

Last one could be the Banyan tree or East Indian Fig. Latin name ficus benghalensis and thai transliteration Ni-khrot or Kraang

Thanks, 3 to start with at least. Not sure if the last one is Banyon tree or not, always thought banyon tree as something different.

Very keen to find out the thai name for the Neem tree now.

The neem tree is a weed in Australia.

The neem tree is ต้นสะเตา

Really ? never knew that, did it work keeping bugs away anywhere ? Why is it classed a weed ?

I dunno nawty. All I remember is our newspaper covered many stories about the so called dreaded neem tree. They use to chopper in volunteers to remote areas who who hack them all to death. I never knew that they had anything good going for them.

Are you sure Neem trees ??

http://www.rirdc.gov.au/reports/AFT/01-061.pdf

Sure not Mimosa or some such.

Best I can give tou for the neem tree. Latin name Azadirachta indica var. siamensis, the Siamese Neem tree. Thai transliteration Sadao

Thanks, I shall see how these names go next week at the tree farms.

I always take pictures as well, nothing like showing them an example, even crayon drawings help.

everything is here nawty

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This was one story from my paper.

ORD Land and Water won the WA Weeds
Committee Invasive Plants Award at the recent State
Landcare Awards night in Bridgetown.
The award recognised the group’s achievements
in the control of neem trees around Kununurra and
its ongoing weed project on Lake Kununurra.
The group was also a finalist in two more categories:
the Landcare Professional Award and the
Community Group Award.
Coordinator Dick Pasfield travelled to
Bridgetown to accept the award and a cheque for
$1000 on behalf of the group.
During his acceptance speech, he acknowledged
the work done by his project officer Nerylie (Blu)
Gaff who has been the backbone of the neem project
since it started in 2006.
The award was shared with the Esperance Weed
Action Group’s Coral Turley demonstrating weed
control is a priority right across WA and country
groups are leading the way in participation.
As well as controlling weeds Ord Land and
Water’s current projects include erosion control,
fire management and litter reduction.



and another one...




IN CONJUCTION with the Shire ofWyndham-East Kimberley’s precyclone cleanup, Ord Land and Waterwants to start making some big inroadsinto the neem population aroundKununurra.And…it is offering to provide someassistance to landholders to have thetrees removed.It has been estimated that there areabout 50 large seed-bearing trees andmany smaller ones currently in town.This number is expected to morethen double during the next five yearsalong with a similar rate of spread inthe bush unless they are destroyed. Since the start of the project in July2006 neems have been killed on morethan 5300 hectares of land.This includes 770 hectares on pri-vate land done in partnership withabout 100 landholders either in townor on rural blocks just outside town.Coordinator Dick Pasfield said:“The level of cooperation from land-holders and the desire to see thesetrees removed from the landscape isvery strong and a large reason for thesuccess of the project to date. “Ord Land and Water would like tosee as many neems as possibleremoved from houses around town intime for the cyclone clean-up.“The Shire has agreed to removethe trees along with the rest of thegreen waste provided it is cut to theappropriate size of no more then twometres in length and placed twometres away from fences and otherobstructions.“Check the Shire for more details ofthe clean-up,” he said. Ord Land andWater will be able to assist people toremove the trees and stop theirregrowth if required.For further details call Dick at OrdLand and Water

excellent, thanks for the link.....got some others on there i was after also.

Props effort was pretty spot on.

Cheers.

Some interesting stuff on that site, good find for me anyway.

here is a good one.....thai for hydraulic.... hai-dro-lik.....lol.

Thanks Nawty. Got most of my info from a book I bought in Bangkok. It is called 'A Field Guide to Tropical Plants of Asai' by David H Engel.

As gardening is my game, I have found this book excellant.

Gardening is your game huh....wanna give some freebi tips....kinda like a TD online project ?

I got this block that i want to landscape, got most ideas and plants that I want to put in, but one area I have not come up with an attractive, easy and least maintained solution.

I can put some pics up of it.

Go for it, lets see the pics, couple of us on here might be able to give advice. Helps if you would also give and idea of what you would like for the area.

ok, will write it up and put up the pics now......give a minute or 30.

Ok, here is the title plan/boundaries, river at top of page and road at bottom.

The dotted line 20m from the river is a natural bank that rises up from the river bank level by about 1.5m roughly. It is on this natural higher land that a house will be built, with large decking coming out over the lower land close to the river.

So the area of flat land looking to do something with is approx 1500sqm.

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The rock wall was built here and raised the level of the water, creating a 2m+ deep, 20m wide and 100m long swimming pool.

The area just above the rock wall and before the water drops away to 2m, I want to make a stone and sand beach, the natural depth of the river immediately above the rock wall for about 2m is knee deep, then drops away to the 2+m depth. This shallow area I will use small river stones and sand to create a nice paddle area for kids.

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On the down stream side, I am going to do similar, but only small river stones, leaving again about a 2m wide play area below the cascading water for play before it drops away to about 1/1.5m downstream.

Also in the bottom left corner of this pic, I will construct a 'instream' natural spa tub, so the water will be spilling over into the tub, bubbles and all, natural spa.

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The pic below is the opposite bank. Because this is the bank we will be looking at, but owned by the neighbours accross the way, I want to vegetate the bank with something easy, yet attractive. Don't know what yet, thought those flowers that come in all colours and love water, but then neighbours might pull them up to sell, so needs to be something easy, attractive and no insentive to rip up and sell, just simply leave alone cos looks natural.......hopefully

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The bare dirt area here is the section talked about above, between the river and the natural rise of 1.5m where the house will be built. This area is about 1500sqm and needs to be made attractive. I think will be to much watering and maintenance, even though would look wonderfull.

The embankment will be grass probably, sloping down below and above, beside the house somewhat.

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A close up of the embankment of the river, this is the area I am not sure what to do with it to smarten it up. Want it to be natural, but not jungle like, park like moreso and ease of access and view.

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It is a long bank and quite steep, so needs something attractive. There will be a sala near the rock waterfall area and some nice easy access area either side of it, but easy access is not really required all the way along the boundary/riverbank

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Easy maintenance is the order of the day and attractiveness.

I pland to put a large raintree down on the river bank, slightly downstream of the rockwall, this will then in time provide a huge shaded area for the rockwall play area and the sala.

Other than that, no large trees planned down on this low section in order to keep the view clear for the house of the river and mountains around.

The upper section to the road will have a crushed rock road down to the house site, palms either side, those exotic plants below with the large hanging flowers. Palms were thinking foxtail or the larger date type ones.

Either side of the road will be vege gardens and fruit trees, chookhouse, well etc etc.

Nice looking spot, mate. Where abouts in the world is that then?

Between Nakohn Nayok and Saraburi....kinda on the edge of Khao Yai NP.

Very nice. If you hear of any more land going down that way let me know. :)



Oh, ref; your question about wood. Looks like a complete "No No" as far as the people here are concerned. :(

I heard there are many agents up along that river doing just that...Laos based.

Surely old wood a problem that can be sorted, understand new wood concerns.

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Surely old wood a problem that can be sorted, understand new wood concerns.

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I'll keep asking, but there seems to be a police issue.

First thoughts. The river bank area on the neighbours side. Throw some creepers or vines into the bank, maybe something like morning glory (Ipomoeu Purpurea - Dok-phak-bung), clock vine (Thunbergia grandiflora - Soi-inthanim), also the ground cover plants such as Golon button or yellow creeping daisy ( Wedelia trilobata - Kraduum-Thawng).

For your own bank I would like to see some small shrubs along it. This would also serve the purpose of preventing a bit of erosion through rain, then with some of the plants mentioned above dotted along it.

Obviously, the soil looks, to say the least a little rocky and low grade. A little experimentation as to what plants will like the soil is needed.

NB. Thai transliteration in yellow

Bougainvillea could also be used along the banks (Bougainvillea spectabillis - Fueng-Fa)

The ground creepers was something I was thinking of, so nice to have the thai names for them. Hope they are fast growing and look good those varities.

As for bushes along the bank....don't really like that idea. I was thinking to be able to look from the house deck down and see the river, any bushes will hide this as any bushes will be a certain height above the embankment and even just half a meter will block some of the view. Although thinking about it, some on the bank and not on the edge, might look nice, not to many, like you say, spread them apart.

The idea I like was to keep it all open, apart from a few tall trees where foliage does not block any view. A grassed area immediately in front of the house deck down to the river and sala, this provides a good entertaining/play area, but not covering the entire 1500sqm meaning high water and maintenance.

A nice low level but thick ground cover, preferably with flowers, might be nice and stepping stones throughout it.

The soil you see is what was dug out from the river bed and piled up onto the banks, so it is rocky, sandy and seems to have a white calcium like quality to it.

The 1500sqm area up to the main bank is sandy.

The soil above the 1.5m bank is normal and good for all the other gardening requirements.

Where did you buy that book of plants and thai names and the name of it, might go purchase it myself if it would come in handy.

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Very nice. If you hear of any more land going down that way let me know. :)

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Not cheap down this way JJ.

Not like up in the hills where you are.

But I shall let you know, we are trying to put things together to move to the area in May/June this year.

Just a few thoughts, you could put in some of those tall skinny palms.These look nice in rows of three or four and will not block the view. You can get them cheap in Prachinburi, although there may be some in your area.

Heliconias have a nice tropical look without being too messy, we put a heap in and they're flowering nicely with only one watering per week. You might consider a truck load of the coco peat, this is available at the Lum Lukha - 305 intersection (asking around this seems to be were everyone gets it from). It retains alot of moisture, plants love it.

Limes are good, especially if you have access to water. Lotus is already selling them for 3 baht each, the price goes up to 5 baht around April.

And, as mentioned before, don't forget the bougainvilleas, these are really hardy and love the dry season. You can get them in klong 15 for 15B each and 45baht for the grafter two color versions.

Our block has a wide variety of fruit trees, all well established. We bring the fruit back with us and sell it cheap to the staff. It helps with petrol money and paying the bloke who looks after the place.

If you want grass you'll see it being sold along 305, there are 'farms' in the area that grow it. If you want to google earth location, send a PM.

The palms you mean are the Foxtail I think....I like them, although they are done to death.

But it needs to be skinny as the shade a larger palm makes takes away the area for veges etc along the side.

Heliconias is the word I was looking for before, they will be along the driveway as well as a few other varities I have from Kanchanaburi.

I am not really keen on bouganvileas, over used everywhere and they grow to tall for what i want near the river area.

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Although thinking about it, some on the bank and not on the edge, might look nice, not to many, like you say, spread them apart.

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Sorry didn't explain myself well there. I did mean to plant them near the waters edge and not at the top of the bank

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Where did you buy that book of plants and thai names and the name of it, might go purchase it myself if it would come in handy.

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Got it at one of the bookshops at Swampy airport. Probably might be easier to buy off the net. Was looking for about two years before I got it :(

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I am not really keen on bouganvileas, over used everywhere and they grow to tall for what i want near the river area.

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Pity about that as they can be brutally pruned and kept at low height of about 2 ft or less.

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Heliconias is the word I was looking for before, they will be along the driveway as well as a few other varities I have from Kanchanaburi.

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False bird of Paradise or Lobster claw - Thamma-raksaa. They do however like a moist soil, and the driveway might not provide that.

Will have a think about some other areas today.

Please correct me where I am wrong here, but going from what you have said, is this what you envisage

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Is your boundary going to be walled or fenced?

Close, bit more like this....forgot the car park but..

The deck extending out from the house from the edge of the raised area.

Front fence will be river rock, solid walls either side of entry gate, then concrete posts covered in stone and sawn of rough sides of logs from a sawmill.

Side fences will be just posts and barbed wire for now.

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Got you now. Lets work on the part from the house to the river


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Presumably the grass area is going to be something like shown, and as you want an unobstructed view from the house, the border fence area should be of low easy maint shrubs, flowering and foliage type. A path from the deck to the sala maybe would break the area in two, rather than being a large expanse of grass. Possibly the decking would be railed, so where the path runs from would be crucial to this.

Rain tree placed where I consider you want it. However I am having problems identifying this. It could be the Samanea saman (Rain tree or Monkey pod tree - Chaaam-churii ) Grows up to 26m high, with a broad spreading crown, and has a pinkish flower.

Think thats the one...in fact it is, we went to see this massive tree out of Kanchanaburi and it was called a monkey tree and the same as what i want and it does have the pods. I believe they are same or very close to the 'raintrees' in Oz.

The boundary fence of shrubs, flowering low level bushes is a good idea, stop the barbed wire at the top of the embankment.

The area you have in green is to big for your normal lawn, massive water required with very sandy soil underneath and simple maintenance. From the front of the deck to the river and to the sala would be plenty, all the rest I would think needs to be ground cover...something colourfull would be nice, little water requirement and no maintenance. This would be from either side of the deck to each boundary, under the raintree etc.

We seem to have got your Rain tree correct then. :)


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Grass area to look like this then. Don't make the grass area square, gentle curves is always that much pleasing to the eye. Going to take a lot of plants for that ground cover, try going to the growers and get a job lot.

You will see I have made a comment about the other edge of your river boundary, maybe another tree or palm or even possibly some bamboo there.

Some ideas for shrubs, have given some whose height is a max 2 metres, but these can easily be kept pruned to fence height. For the gaps between the shrubs would suggest some vigorous creepers and vines to trail along the fence.
Google the latin name to find pictures, if not will post pictures of them later.

Some of the shrubs are evergreens so will give you all round greenery. Will post some foliage only shrubs later.

Plumbago Auriculata - Cape Leadwort - Chettamuun-phloeng-farang
evergreen, white flowering

Thumbergia erecta - Bush Clock vine, Kings Mantle - Chong-naang-lek
evergreen, violet blooms all year

Brunfelsia americana - Lady of the night - Phutta-khaeng
white flowering fragrant

Carissa grandiflora - Boxwood Beuty - Chaa
evergreen white flowers

Euphorbia leucocephala - White Christmas - Wai-kismas
Abundant white flowers around Dec and Jan

Gardenia jasminoides - Common Gardenia, Cape Jasmine - Phut-chiin, Phut Yai
Evergreen, whitish flowers

Hibiscus sabdariffa - Roselle - Krachiap daeng
Evergreen, whitish flower. Seed heads can be used for refeshing drink. (other varieties of Hibiscus could be incorporated but would require regular pruning)

Justicia betonica - White shrimp plant, Squirrels Tail - Haang-Kra rok
Evergreen

Crossandra infundibuliformis - Firecracker flower - Ang-kaap-sii-puun
Yellow blooms alll year

Pachystachys lutea - Lollipop plant - Lue-ang-khiirii-puun
yellow blooms all year

Yes raintree correct, still to look up those recommendations.

I put together a rough drawing of what I was thinking and then just need to find the varieties to suit.

We were there on the weekend, there is a type of vine, ground cover, creeper, not sure what exactly. But its leaf is variagated, looks ok, not sure if has flowers or not, but it is naturally growing there now in the areas that were cleared. So it certainly likes the sandy soil with little water. Not sure how big it grows or wild it get, or if it even looks so good when in large masses. But I got a photo of it, will put up later.

Ok Props...this is what I came up with....not exact or stick to the plan kind of thing, but gives an idea....

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Then this next one is same same but ammended a little today, Decided to put the vegi garden on the left and right sides of the house...why...close to the water source and will be watered the most and more frequently than the other trees and areas.

The bright green lines are now going to be a papaya plantation on the left side and dragon fruit plantation on the right side of the road.

The red dots are more probably papaya trees on the lower section near the river. This area apparently floods lightly for short periods in the wet season, so not sure if Papaya will handle this, dragon fruit definitely will not. This will also fill in some of that large area, still plenty of room for ground cover and bushes on the river edges and in front of the deck.

I also decided to use Bouganvilea as the boundary fences, a bright red variety.

Below is alo the Irrigation layout....do you have any experience with this ?? While I did some irrigation as a youngster on farms, it was never for vegetables or fruit trees, simply pasture irrigation and not much thought required there re layout.

So not sure if the layout below is the most efficient and practical or not really.

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The pump is the pink dot at the water tank site. The other blue circle above is the well....as seen in tsunami video.....so what ya think ??

Looking good Nawty. Can't really comment on the irrigation aspect as have never had to use it in this country, only drainage to get rid of the water :(

One comment that I will make is the abundance of neem trees. They are fast growing with a broad spread and tall. It just seems to me that there are to many of them, especially beside the house. (Maybe problems later with roots etc)

Seems a lot of papaya and dragon fruit, are you hoping to market these?

Vegetable patch placement seems good. Don't know what position you are facing, so bear in mind that one side of the vegetable patch will get far less sun then the other, so veg will have to be chosen accordingly.

Don't forget your parking and/or turn round point near the house for cars.

Glad to see you have given the bourganvillas a go.