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What sort of criteria do people use when working out the different tiers of international school?
Is it solely on the wages paid, the facilities, the amount of time in existence?
I am just trying to work out who the better schools are to aim towards and who to try to use as a stepping stone onto bigger and better things
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Originally Posted by Doggsy
I just nearly fell of my chair:rofl:
Quality of it's teachers and the level of education it delivers.
Patana
ISB
NIST
Harrow
In Bangkok.
Accrediation is the key. WES or WASC.
Mid-level schools will pay B50,000-80,000.
The top schools like MtD mentioned will pay much better.
surely that's the lowest level schools. no int. school would pay less than 50K... surely...Quote:
Mid-level schools will pay B50,000-80,000.
That pay bracket seems to be more the mid to higher level private schools.
I looked on ISB and they start on 137,000. That's quite a nice figure to start with! Now i just need to be that person that is in the right place at the right time!!
I think you'll find there is a blurred line between where the private language schools finish and the international schools start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
Fair nuff. I meant the private school sector that includes the likes of Assumption and the other christian schools etc that pay around that much.
Generally, and this is a guess... the difference is that the Int'l schools teach either the UK or US curriculum, and the privates are still stuck on the Thai one... isn't it? (I could be wrong mind).
But in the meantime ECC or Wall Street :tieme:will suffice I suppose?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doggsy
be a bloody long way to commute to work everyday from england wouldnt it? Plus i think the school i am at here would be pissed that I am late to work everyday.
Looks like you suppose incorrectly...
Here https://teakdoor.com/../banners/ajarnjobspace.gif they have 3 jobs that pay over 80k baht per month.
Thanks dirtydog but I am not looking for a job in thailand just yet. I am hoping to move in the summer of 2010. i am just lookin to get as much information on the international schools as I can so i know which ones to aim for and which ones to steer clear of. Obviously I have looked on each school website but as we all know websites can be particularly biased so I was asking for more independent advice.
An actual teacher! There's a first.
Don't think yer allowed on these kinda forums.
not quite a real teacher yet. just doing my pgce to become a real teacher then going to stay in england and get a little experience before heading out east.
So your BA isn't in Education?Quote:
just doing my pgce
no my BSc is in Computer Studies. My PGCE will give me a post graduate certificate of education to be able to teach ICT. Similar to a person with a history degree teaching history and thus gaining more knowledge about their subject before specialising in the teaching of said subject
Yes, we do know what it is.
Without a B.Ed, or BA without any educational fields... or experience... with just a pgce...Quote:
I looked on ISB and they start on 137,000. That's quite a nice figure to start with! Now i just need to be that person that is in the right place at the right time!!
I feel the 'right place and right time' you speak of being in is... in the director's bedroom with a gun pointed at his wife's head. You ain't gonna get a job at a top Int. school with just a PGCE and no experience.
I could be wrong... but I doubt it (KW etc. know a lot more than me on the topic).
With a PGCE I'd hazard a guess that you'd walk into the 70K positions without any trouble, and maybe get lucky with 80-90K.
Sorry to burst your bubble a bit, but simply having a PGCE isn't gonna get you hired (at 137K) when the other applicants have BA's or MA's of Ed.
Which they will, with a few years experience to boot.
You say you've checked out all their websites, don't they have a list of the teachers and their qualifications?
ah but that is the thing. i am not going to come straight out with a PGCE I am going to stay around and get a little bit of experience. Plus i dont realistically expect to get a job in a top school straight off the bat. Like i said in my first post i expect to start at a lower school and work my way up, my comment about getting a job there was more wishing than anything.
Sorry if my previous post outlining my pgce was a bit obvious, i was expecting a whole barrage of abuse stating that I wasn't much better than a tefler as i didnt have a ba in education. you know how it is around these parts for teachers, always on the defensive.
says who? I would say it is one of the good ones, but not the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevintang
I think Marmite said it before
ISB
BPS
NIST
Harrows
Shrewsbury
RIS
*disclaimer, there may be one or two others I have overlooked*
This twat has no idea what he is on about. You need a BA (or BSc) before you can get a PGCE, and a PGCE is the equivalent of a BEd. With a PGCE and a couple of years experience, the world will be your oyster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
Fair enough, well, except for this part (You need a BA (or BSc) before you can get a PGCE)... No shit!
as I said:
I obviously am wrong. I haven't experienced seeing a PGCE being seen as an equivalent to a B.Ed.Quote:
I could be wrong... but I doubt it (KW etc. know a lot more than me on the topic).
I had heard that the Cert of Ed. (PGCE) is seen as that, the certificate that comes before the Dip. of Ed. which comes before the BA of Ed. And is seen accordingly should the other applicants hold a B.Ed.
Thanks for correcting me.
Suffering from memory loss again Smeggy?
In one month I've gone from 'not on ignore' to 'ignore' to 'not on ignore', to 'ignore', to 'not on ignore'. A full cycle... TWICE.Quote:
Smeg, when asked a question he rather not answer, a few days ago:
This message can't be seen as Chairman Mao is on your ignore list.
Wot's wrong Smeagle... insane or just massively undecisive?
Like I already stated, Wall Street or similar beckons whatever their teaching / whoring aspirations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeg
Is this part actually true? The (post grad) Certificate of Education isn't seen as a Certificate of Education...Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeg
It's seen as equivalent to a Bachelor of Education.
Really, that's true? I must say I'm slightly surprised.
Or was when I read it. Thanks Smeg.
Smeg he won't need any qualifications and you know it.
Yes, it's true. PGCE is a one-year course taken after a Bachelor's; B.Ed is a 4 year degree. I think it'd be closer to the truth to say that they are both seen as routes to getting QTS, along with a couple of other ways - GTP and (when I did my PGCE) some other course that had an acronym beginning with S.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chairman Mao
Yes, they are both seen as routes... but are they both seen as equivalent to each other?
It seems odd that simply because the Certificate of Ed. is
Post Grad, it's seen as an equivalent to a 4 year Bachelor of Ed.
As they've only studied a single year in an eduactional field. As opposed to 4.
Sorry, but I'm still sceptical that they're viewed as the 'same'.
Basically the same mate.
A bachelor of ed is not 4 years of pedagogical study only.
it is the equivalent of a 3 year degree (science, history, english lit) plus a 1 year diploma or certificate of ed.
in other words the educational component is spread out of 4 years rather than studied in a sustained one year effort.
As a generalisation, a person studying a degree then a PGCE will have slightly more subject knowledge, and a person studying a BEd will have slightly more teaching experience (they do more teaching practise, spread over the four years)
The big downer about taking a BEd is that if you don't want to be a teacher afterwards, say you want to be a pharmacist rather than a chemistry teacher, it is not looked upon as favourably by the pharmacy sector as a straight science degree.
^^ Ah, that would explain it then. Thanks KW, Smeg and Bubs. Apologies to you OP.
Furthermore, PGCE is seen as better for secondary teaching (need more subject knowledge) whereas BEd is better for primary.
really? why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeg
not sure I agree with that.
That is the general consensus in the UK nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
Absolutely right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smeg
Salary is the best guide as all types of schools will try to use the name international school.
Hope you are keeping well,
All the Best
Bill Z