Do the job or not

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18-10-2008, 03:02 AM
dirtydog

Do the job or not

This is quite a good job as it is damn easy, the problem starts that there are 2 partners, both partners consider themselves experts on Thailand and the cost of products, they are both wrong and dumb, got to admit i aint sure if one is trying to stitch up the other, quotes of 25k baht for an item that I can get for 11 k baht have gone ignored as I am just a dumb farang and both these guys have been here for 4 years or more already, really not sure if one is trying to rip off the other, and i really don't want to be associatted with that sort of shite :(
18-10-2008, 03:13 AM
dirtydog

Didn't explain the first post so well, ok the guy with the big mouth is an expert on Thailand and knows everything, well, thats what he says, his partner believes him :( to be truthfull the guy with the big mouth actually knows nothing and is just an embarrassment, he is willing to spout off prices that nobody in their right mind would believe, sadly some people believe him.

The job starts this week :( blow them out or go for it?
18-10-2008, 03:18 AM
Loy Toy

Get an up front payment (25% job deposit) and make sure you are at least 20% ahead regarding progress payments at any given time.

Sounds like a fire is burning down the track and you certainly don't want to get burnt.

You supply the labour and let them sort out the materials and others. Don't get involved in their shit fight.
18-10-2008, 03:19 AM
dirtydog

A good example was his price on stainless tables, he quoted 25k baht each, I said they was dumb, went to a place I use and it was 11,500baht each, thats a bit of a difference :(
18-10-2008, 03:20 AM
daveboy

Get some money off them upfront & give it a crack.
18-10-2008, 03:21 AM
daveboy

Sorry LT you beat me to it
18-10-2008, 03:22 AM
dirtydog

Its a no win job I think, best not to get involved.
18-10-2008, 03:22 AM
Loy Toy

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

thats a bit of a difference

Your their building contractor not their accountant or councilor.

Don't get involved, do the job and get your cut.
18-10-2008, 03:24 AM
Loy Toy

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

This is quite a good job as it is damn easy

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

Its a no win job I think

Well make up your feckin mind mate! :)
18-10-2008, 03:24 AM
dirtydog

Sadly the other partner is a friend of mine :(
18-10-2008, 03:29 AM
Spin

Take a 50k deposit for your work and then disappear for three months.

Thats what builders do and as farangs they will understand:)
18-10-2008, 03:29 AM
Loy Toy

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

Sadly the other partner is a friend of mine

Well he is relying on you then!

It is always difficult but if you don't do it someone else will.

Better you very discretely take care of his interests as best as you can mate.
18-10-2008, 03:35 AM
dirtydog

^hmmm, fok working for a living, this his lies smell of a conman.
18-10-2008, 04:01 AM
Jet Gorgon

Half upfront. If it looks likes it's caving in, you can cut and run. Also difficult to do biz with friends; you rarely stay friends afterwards.
18-10-2008, 04:39 AM
MUSTY

Go with your gut feeling

You already know that you don't want to touch this.
When you see the train wreck up ahead, always take the
first left. Sometimes when you get too far down the road
you can't back up.
Makes it easier to live with yourself.
Just a thought.
18-10-2008, 07:24 AM
kingwilly

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUSTY

You already know that you don't want to touch this.
When you see the train wreck up ahead, always take the
first left. Sometimes when you get too far down the road
you can't back up.
Makes it easier to live with yourself.
Just a thought.

Fair post.

makes damn good sense!
18-10-2008, 07:55 AM
jaiyenyen

Come on now DD, You're in the building game, remember what we used to say back in the UK.
Never do business with friends or relatives.
18-10-2008, 08:03 AM
November Rain

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Originally Posted by MUSTY

always take the first left.

Huh? Why the first left? What if there is no left turn? Are you allowed to go right, instead? What about if you take the second left? Or just do a U-turn?:confused:
18-10-2008, 08:47 AM
kingwilly

bladdy wymmin.
18-10-2008, 10:20 AM
keda

do what your bladder tells you
18-10-2008, 10:55 AM
MUSTY

First opportunity

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Originally Posted by November Rain

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUSTY

always take the first left.

Huh? Why the first left? What if there is no left turn? Are you allowed to go right, instead? What about if you take the second left? Or just do a U-turn?:confused:

First opportunity always turn left, never right in face of oncoming traffic, just don't always know what is coming in the opposite direction at speed. How many times in ones life can you remember saying to yourself, ' I just knew it.....'

Never second left turn, your life experience tells you that you can already smell that it is off, too much time to think about it and you are in the spiders web.

Never a u-turn you already know what's behind you. Had the experience and always moving forward.

The wiser we get the quicker me make the first left turn. Times too short.

Just a second thought.
18-10-2008, 02:51 PM
barbaro

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydog

This is quite a good job as it is damn easy, the problem starts that there are 2 partners, both partners consider themselves experts on Thailand and the cost of products, they are both wrong and dumb, got to admit i aint sure if one is trying to stitch up the other, quotes of 25k baht for an item that I can get for 11 k baht have gone ignored as I am just a dumb farang and both these guys have been here for 4 years or more already, really not sure if one is trying to rip off the other, and i really don't want to be associatted with that sort of shite :(

Yes, there are a lot of dumb Farangs in LOS.

And not only are the two above dumb, but they are likely fraudsters.
18-10-2008, 02:56 PM
lom

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtydog

A good example was his price on stainless tables, he quoted 25k baht each, I said they was dumb, went to a place I use and it was 11,500baht each, thats a bit of a difference

I reckon having seen you complain in the past over builders low profit..
Offer them the fekking tables for 24K Baht, will make them happy.
18-10-2008, 04:19 PM
Itchy

Make them an offer that you can cut their budget prices if you get a percentage of the savings. Make the offer to both of them at the same time.

Money talks loud and clear.
18-10-2008, 04:23 PM
jandajoy

Quote:

Originally Posted by MUSTY

First opportunity always turn left, never right in face of oncoming traffic, just don't always know what is coming in the opposite direction at speed.

How many times in ones life can you remember saying to yourself, ' I just knew it.....'

Never second left turn, your life experience tells you that you can already smell that it is off, too much time to think about it and you are in the spiders web.

Never a u-turn you already know what's behind you. Had the experience and always moving forward. The wiser we get the quicker me make the first left turn. Times too short.

So you have to turn right after the first turn left. Remind me never to let you navigate..:)
18-10-2008, 07:30 PM
Norton

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

Its a no win job I think, best not to get involved.

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Originally Posted by dirtydog

hmmm, fok working for a living, this his lies smell of a conman.

Me too. Con goes like this. We've all seen it.

Know it all (con) partner buys tables at 11,500 baht, gets invoice from seller for 25,000 shows to trusting partner. Trusting partner pays con partner the 25,000.

DD stays out of it, trusting partner eventually figures out the con. Blames DD, his friend, for not speaking up.

No win DD! Don't do it.
18-10-2008, 08:46 PM
Slipstream

Do a swerve and bail. They sound dodgy to me.
I've seen this stunt pulled before.
The rogue invoice, under and over trick is very prevelent, although usually the mark-up is a bit more even-handed and not likely to arouse attention.
25k mark-up for 11k at wholesale or equiv? Insanity DD. That would be red-flags from jupiter for me. Walk away.
Usually you get the rogue quoting 25k say, but buying for about 20k ish.
The actual supplier is usually clued up to it. When the rogue gets the full payment.
He returns to the supplier and squares him away.

I once won the contract for sourcing and installing a bunch of PCs and gear for a dude wanting an office set up.
2 other expats gave a quote, I gave my quote and made sure I stuck pretty much very close to the baseline (suppliers quote). Cause the main reason he went for expats was (in his mind) they were less likely to pull 'thai moves' and maybe rig the invoices.
Well the other 2 tried playing the under and over fairly big and I played it mostly to the baseline. The reason I did some mark-up (on top of my fee) was the donkey work and to-ing and fro-ing back and forth.
Well the client did some checking of his own (as you have done with the tables) He figured out the wheat from the chaff pretty quick and I got the job.

So really the only people these two dudes are cheating is either each other or clients and each other sorta thing.
Maybe you should speak to this friend of yours and mark his card to let on your thoughts????
19-10-2008, 03:23 PM
Topper

Never do business with friends or relatives (as was said before). Gives you leeway to offer advice to your friend in the future from a neutral point of view.