Can anyone give me a ball park figure for the cost of Q-Con (Superblock)
Price per square meter
OR
Price per block and the dimensions of the blocks
?
Ta!
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Can anyone give me a ball park figure for the cost of Q-Con (Superblock)
Price per square meter
OR
Price per block and the dimensions of the blocks
?
Ta!
20 by 60 cms 19baht, now it is just as cheap to build with Q Con as it is with cheap Thai red bricks.
Unless the price has come down a lot that must be for blocks of 7.5cm thickness. They are also available up to 20cm thick and I think I paid about 41B a block for those a year ago.
Well, I'm one of the main suppliers to Qcon and if the increase of prices of the product I supply is any indication, expect the cost of the blocks to go up sharply.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydog
Same for Superblock.
Besides they still use asbestos to reduce their costs, you get it very cheap these days since the rest of the world thinks you can die from it...
Expect that to change also...
What's this you are telling us Blue Cat - There is Asbestos in Q-Con?
Is that correct? Do you have proof of this?
Ask them, it is not illegal in Thailand.
Is this for real? The block makers really use the asbestos? Expect a change? When? I hope last week!!Quote:
Besides they still use asbestos to reduce their costs, you get it very cheap these days since the rest of the world thinks you can die from it...
Expect that to change also...
They really use asbestos?
no, they don't
Q-CON aerated concrete :
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Q-CON AAC consists of the same raw materials as natural stone but has these significant advantages:
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif Q-CON AAC is made of quartz sand, lime, cement and water - raw materials that are readily naturally available
Just because they're not saying so on their site, doesn't mean they're not using it. When I started the thread about synthetic roofing, most ppl said it didn't contain asbestos also.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrAndy
Once laid and rendered, they wouldn't pose a threat, but I wouldn't want to be the one cutting them.
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Originally Posted by DrAndy
Yeah I read their entire web site and I would not expect that they would advertise a known cancer causing substance as one of the ingredients of the product.
Interesting to say the least------>>>
We have a statement from someone who claims to supply the manufacturers of Q-Con that Q-Con Blocks contain Asbestos.
We have a second statement from someone who has been through the Q-Con website that states the Consituants of Q-Blocs are....... a list not including Asbestos.
We have the makings of a conspiracy from someone who staes 'Just because they say they haven't included Asbestos doesn't mean they haven't included Asbestos'.
I think its about time Blue Cat came up with goods on this.
Where is the evidence?
There are 3 suppliers of blocks I know and supply, Siam Fiber, Qcon and Superblock.
The first one is more expensive because they do not use asbestos, the 2 others are cheaper because they do. So they say.
Maybe everybody lies, who indeed in its right mind would use asbestos these days?
Have you been living in Thailand for long?
Anyway, they are my customers and if you want to find out more, do not count on me to help.
12 years long enoughQuote:
Have you been living in Thailand for long?
I've written to Q-Con - I pre-empted your comment regarding not being of any help.Quote:
Anyway, they are my customers and if you want to find out more, do not count on me to help.
Right.
I built a new house recently and well, I used normal bricks.
More expensive?
Maybe...
In CMai at TOR, a Building Supplies Giant in HangDong the costs as of 080711 [080109] are:
20 X 60 X 7.5 = 21B
20 X 60 X 10.0 = 30[21]B
20 X 60 X 12.5 = 40[33]B
20 X 60 X 15.0 = 52B
20 X 60 X 20.0 = 65B
QCON ADHESIVE MORTAR 50kg = 225B
QCON RENDERING MORTAR 50kg = 118B
Let's see more costs from other areas, OK?
It's disturbing to hear the possibility that QCON contains asbestos, a known deadly carcinogen.:(
This product is made under license from a German Company, t heir brochure has the 'ISO 9001 : 2000' logo (but then again it seems so does the local corner laundry here in the LOS).[ : : Q-CON : : . and qcon[at]qcon.co.th ]. Possibly someone from the German Embassy's Economic division should investigate, as nothing less than German excellence in the technical sphere is at stake.
About to complete the roofing on my home with CPAC Monier tiles, I had decided to use QCon for the walls. Many of the recent Government building sites use QCon extensively, as did a gourmet French restaurant 2 years ago.
Hmmm.... Better that I am aware of this asbestos probability now. I'll have to search alternatives, but this is not looking favourable. My cost comparison with the largest solid fire-baked clay brick [ 20B for a 33x15.5x7 cm brick ] showed that QCON was substantially less in price as fols: 810 QCON blocks at B52,650 VS 4042 Clay bricks at B80,840. That's for the blocks/bricks alone. The thin amount of QCON adhesive used is substantially less than the thick mortar used to join bricks, thus another savings in material and labour when using QCON. This is one contribution to the cost question introduced initially.
Hopefully someone knowledgeable will soon confirm there's no asbestos in these QBLOCKs. Thank you, the Teakdoor contributors, for keeping us all informed.
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Originally Posted by Bluecat
Apparently not in the US either:
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United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued the Asbestos Ban and Phase Out Rule which was subsequently overturned in the case of Corrosion Proof Fittings v. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, 1991. This ruling leaves many consumer products that can still legally contain trace amounts of asbestos. For a clarification of products which legally contain asbestos read the EPA's clarification statement.[46] The EPA has proposed a concentration limit of 7 million fibers per liter of drinking water for long fibers (lengths greater than or equal to 5 µm). The OSHA, (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) has set limits of 100,000 fibers with lengths greater than or equal to 5 µm per cubic meter of workplace air for 8-hour shifts and 40-hour work weeks.[47]
Not surprising.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
Looks like she just had a thumb popped up her arse lol
Anyone in Udon / Khon Kaen area know of a supplier and costs in this region?
I think it is only Blue asbestos that is dangerous, but don't take my word for it, your all probably going to die a slow painfull death whilst living in your eco friendly mansions :)
Are these blocks better insulators than brick do they make a major difference ?
Yes they do and are.
Anyway, except if you work for Qcon or Superblock, the amount of asbestos in the blocks is indeed going to kill you very slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydog
I think...:)
agree..yes they do and are....
If it is true and I doubt being german excellence an all....I would take a holiday and not go near the site when they are putting up the blocks as they cut them with a saw alone.
Also if it the blue asbestos, the blocks are white so should be ok...:p....but I think bluecat has the problem already, thats what you get for sneaking off to third world countries to sell leftover stock from first world countries.
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Originally Posted by HINOQuote:
Originally Posted by DrAndy
Yeah I read their entire web site and I would not expect that they would advertise a known cancer causing substance as one of the ingredients of the product.
Interesting to say the least->>>
bloody hell, just because they do not mention asbestos means they use it!!
why would they use it, there is no reason to, it would add nothing to the block
if you read the blurb, the block is mainly aerated concrete, which gives it the properties that make it useful
So why would blueballs start such a viscious rumour that could ruin a company, send them broke with law suits for years and then his comapny falls over as a subsequence of them tracing his IP address for starting such inyourendo and he goes postal and ends up in a thai prison for the rest of his life ???
PLAY THE FANFARE BOYS AND GIRLS IT'S AWARD TIME
Like I said, I wrote to Q-Con regarding 'Bluecat's' accusation that Q-Con contains Asbestos.
I received a response from Kitti soonthornmanokul VP Sales and Marketing Division
Khun Kitti responded with an outright denial of the accusation - catogorically stating that there is no Asbestos used in any Q-Con products.
I then mentioned this to one of our Civil Engineers - He responded that Q-Con is registered as a safe product within our library of materials - He pulled the COSHH Certificate for Q-Con and lo and behold NO ASBESTOS.
So Ladies and Gentlemen - Please be upstanding while BlueCat receives the Bull Shitter of the Week Award.
Because he feels the need to Bullshit.... see above.Quote:
So why would blueballs start such a viscious rumour that could ruin a company, send them broke with law suits for years and then his comapny falls over as a subsequence of them tracing his IP address for starting such inyourendo and he goes postal and ends up in a thai prison for the rest of his life ???
Excellent, thanks for taking the time to look into it.
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Originally Posted by Bluecat
seems so, but why would you?
Indeed, why would I?
I am very happy to know that what seems to be public knowledge for quite a few Thais working in this business is a lie.
Sorry I even mentioned it.
Lets send a sample to the lab for testing
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Originally Posted by Bluecat
It is possibly a misconception; there would be no point in putting asbestos into the QCon blocks. Asbestos is known to be used in some cement based products, like ceiling boards, roofing materials etc. and also brake and clutch components, as well as fire-proofing boards
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What Are Asbestos-Containing Products?
What is common to many asbestos-containing products is that they were (are) used to contain heat (i.e. thermal insulation.) This was the main reason for their use. It is impossible to list all of the products that have, at one time or another, contained asbestos. One of the most common products asbestos is found in, is in the insulation material found on heating pipes and ducts of homes built before 1960.
Some of the other common asbestos-containing products are insulating cement, insulating block, asbestos cloth, gaskets, packing materials, thermal seals, refractory and boiler insulation materials, transite board, asbestos cement pipe, fireproofing spray, joint compound, vinyl floor tile, ceiling tile, mastics, adhesives, coatings, acoustical textures, duct & pipe insulation for heating, ventilation and air conditioning (HVAC) systems, roofing products, insulated electrical wire and panels, and brake and clutch assemblies.
Whatever they mean by insulating block...:)
Regardless, the blocks do a great job and they are encased in glue and then usually anything from a centimetre to more of render.
So well and truly sealed in.
Any drilling into the wall in future, just where a mask and make sure the hole is sealed again and all the mess sucked up.
More of a worry is the ceiling boards where dust and shit frequently wafts into living areas if you use that type of ceiling board.
Also more worrying is for the workers that would have no idea about it and inhale the sawdust daily on job sites about los.
Bluecat, if you know anything, why not say it and stop fucking about with half arsed inyourendos. Be a man, stand up and make a stand. Take your blue balls in your hand and say I am gunna do something about this.
Don't worry Nawty, BlueCat is talking out of his Shitter.
I've contacted the supplier, I've spoken with a professional civil engineer who uses this product and I've seen the evidence of the COSHH certificate for Q-Con.
The best BlueCat can come up with is 'His claim that lots of Thai people know that Q-Con contains Asbestos' and a 'Quote' (if it is a quote) referencing 'Insulating Blocks' - With NO REFERENCE TO Q-CON.
Mind, BlueCat has told us that he supplies 'stuff' to various manufactures of these Theromoblock type products in Thailand - Perhaps he's not supplying Q-Con and needs to drum up business elsewhere.
Oh and incase you missed it..... BlueCat gave us the name of a more expensive Thermoblock that he tells us does not use Asbestos.... but hang on... didn't that quote of his refer to 'Insulating Blocks' containing Asbestos?!
Are we to believe this refers Q-Con, but not to BlueCat's preferred Blocks?
Nah... I smell ...Cat Shit.
Many thanks Khun Itchy for going the extra mile and getting some straight info on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Itchy
I for one feel a lot better now
I priced Q-Con And Superblock in Roi-et six weeks ago.
The best price was 18.5 baht per block. They where 600mm x 200mm X 65mm? or 75mm
I am impressed with this product. Great thermal insulation. Easy to lay. Great price. Both sides of the brick get rendered so asbestos should not be a problem. Wet the bricks down and wear a respirator whilst building.
The best price was from Home Shop. Followed closely by Global house. There is a Global House outlet in Kohn Kaen. (Its very close to the airport.)
The quality of bricklayers in Northern Roi -et is not great. I would consider doing the bricklaying my self.
Regards
If you read the Q-Con web site regarding installation process. They recommend storing the block where they will not get wet before laying.
I know nothing about brick laying so the thought of wetting these blocks prior to laying? Is this a good idea?
Yes it is, it is actually required to help stop the render drying out to quick and cracking...at least I think that is why...makes sense, the dry walls suck out all the moisture from the render, so wetting them stops this and allows a slower curing of the render.
I think the keeping dry rule is for the glue process, remember 2 steps, glue and then render.
Also by wetting I do not mean letting the hose loose on the walls, they usually use a small grass broom, dip it in water bucket and spray the wall with it.
NawtyOk I can understand wetting prior to the rendering application. I guess from the comment about wetting he was suggesting soakingQuote:
Originally Posted by Nawty
the blocks prior to any cutting during the gluing steps.Quote:
Wet the bricks down and wear a respirator whilst building.
:)
Do they overlap them like normal bricks when a wall is built?