Printable View
Always critical of "movies" being made about history and historical figures, you can get a look at the original screenplay here on pdf. The opening scene is where speechwriters are trying to find a soundbyte. It starts off at "Axis of Hate," but the decide "Axis of Evil" sounds better.
According to scholars, some elements of this film are accurate and other parts, just made up.
Screenplay: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...2-w_script.pdf
^
The movie - from reviews I've read, is a load of ca ca. Portrays Dubya in the lowest light possible. Basically, another hit piece. Oliver Stone should stick with making movies about his hero's like Fidel Castro/Che Guevara etc...
It's actually a remake of "The Simpsons Movie" except using dummies instead of cartoon characters.
No doubt...a sure-fire Oscar Award winner I'm sure...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Begbie
And your point is......Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Heh...does "hit piece" kao jai with you, LC?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Little ChuchokAnd your point is......Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
^ "cod Piece"?
quite a challenge to do otherwise, the guy has been a total failure all his life, from A to Z, how could someone portray him otherwise ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
From the comments above, I agree. I also see this as some cheap form of "entertainment" or criticism.
There are at least 17 books out on George W. Bush, and he isn't even finished in office yet. After his term end, there may be some more honesty and detail about the administration from the senior advisors, etc., who love to pen "memoirs."
My point: any movie is limited, and this one will be, too.
I'm not an Oliver Stone fan when it comes to 1. history and 2. historical stuff, he's done.
I did like Wall Street and its main writer is the same guy who has written "W."
^ his best movie was the one on American Football, awesome, and I don't like American football
Hardly a failure Butterfy - W become a two term yank pressie and that alone is an amazing accomplishment. Stone makes entertaining movies however you need to suspend your disbelief because for the most part its all fiction.
Wall Street, Platoon, Alexander were his best, and I liked World Trade Center too.
I was watching a movie called "Obsession" about radical Islam last night. Seemed good and then I fell asleep even before popcorn intermission.:(
^Shagged out Jettie ?
GWB had good campaign managers. Rove knew what groups GWB needed in his tent and he played specifically to those groups. Nader got the state of Oregon, a blue state in 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
Note, that both elections were razor tight, and 2000 was disputed and Ohio in 2004 was dubious.
Nevertheless, GWB did win.
yeah if you count cheating as success,Quote:
Originally Posted by britmaveric
That's news to me. Has he been cheating on his wife? Perhaps you should give the MSM your findings so they can run with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Guess so. It's been happening alot to me lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Begbie
I agree with the viewpoints on distorted history. Stone likes to twist scenarios, which then stay in the viewers' minds as the "truth".
I'm not a fan of Stone, and I don't like "biography" movies, but this film will be released before the election, in less than 5 months. It won't mean much, IMO, but it'll be interesting perhaps.
Link: FILM HAS A FEW WORDS ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT - New York PostQuote:
FILM HAS A FEW WORDS ABOUT OUR PRESIDENT
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
May 13, 2008 -- YOU'VE maybe heard about "W.," Oliver Stone's tough feature film about Bush. Stone calls him "horrible . . . worst in history." Josh Brolin plays W.; Elizabeth Banks, Laura; James Cromwell, papa Bush; Ellen Burstyn, mama Barbara; Thandie Newton, Condoleezza. First-ever movie about a sitting president, shooting in Shreveport, La., is so hush-hush secret that all scripts are embargoed. Watermarked so that each is traceable.
So do not ask - do not - how one is now in my own sticky fingers. Do not ask. If I answered, which I won't, I'd have to lie. A supposed chronicle of his presidency, every scene or shard of dialogue is theoretically - if not proven fact - within the realm of repeated rumor. No imaginary scenes off the deep end. Stone's trying for legitimacy so he won't get pilloried. Or audited.
Here's Karl Rove making W. memorize answers, telling him, "Before you speak, come to me first. I'll tell you what to say." W. chiding late-arriving "Balloonfoot" Powell, saying military men should know about being on time. Rumsfeld, who's hard of hearing. W. happy when Cheney laughs at his cowboy-delivered twang. Cheney stepping in cow poop at Crawford. W. eating his favorite White House bologna sandwich lunch.
In all presidential erudition, telling Gen. Tommy Franks to be sure what he's doing: "I don't want to fire no $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the a - -." Then: "Americans don't like to see dead boys on their television sets." Telling education reformers: "Rarely is the question asked, 'Is our children learning?' "
Page 10 on Bill Clinton: "My mother waddles faster than that larda - -." Page 11: "We'll move these terr'ists to Guantanemera." Cheney: "Guantanamo." Bush: "Right." Then Bush to Cheney: "Vice, when we're in meetings I want you to keep a lid on it. Keep your ego in check. Remember, I'm the president."
Flashbacks have college-boy W. boozing, slacking off from work, in jail, calling his then-congressman father "Poppy." Sr. praising Jeb, castigating Jr., asking if he's "knocked up" a girl named Susie, complaining, "You never kept your word once . . . you're only good for partying, chasing tail, driving drunk . . . You deeply disappoint me." Repeat father and son arguments. Father: "I've had enough of your crap." Son: "I've had enough of you for a lifetime." Mama Barbara breaking up the near fisticuffs with announcing Jr. just made Harvard and Sr. responding, "But who do you think pulled the strings?"
Sounds like another work of fiction a la Michael Moore.
Not all. Where did your read this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Earl
I don't plan on watching it, but it'll be out in less than 4 months. I have read interviews from the cast, crew, and writers.
It's not a polemic. Although I'll listen carefully for some biases, which may, or may not - be in the film.
"Blinded by the Bush....":sexy::gwbush:
Ya mean GWB isn't a complete tard and doofus ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon
Hang about the movie hasn't come out yet, so how could Oliver Stone have planted that impression in my mind ?
The trailer is available via google and yahoo. I can't put the link up here, but someone else can. If someone cares they can.
Release date is October 17, 2008.
Doubtful, but if the Dems candidates were that good - they would have beaten him easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Fighter pilot, Harvard MBA, two term governor of Texas (re-elected with 69%)Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
two term President of the USA.
Yes I'd say he's a real big failure alrighty!
I wonder what success looks like?:rofl::nerner:
Yep, must be the crowning disappointment of anyone's life to become President of the US. Stick to economics, buttfrier, at least that's a subject in which you can sound convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
can you portray Duh-bya in a positive light for us, with examples?
name 1 thing he has done that has had a positive outcome.
Fuedalism alive and well in the USA. Grandfather rich nazi banker, father head of the CIA. Dumbalya never had to lift a finger to "succeed".Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr EarlFighter pilot, Harvard MBA, two term governor of Texas (re-elected with 69%)Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
two term President of the USA.
Yes I'd say he's a real big failure alrighty!
I wonder what success looks like?:rofl::nerner:
Do you think Bill Clinton's press secretary Mike McCurry will ever write a book? The guy seems to be sworn to silence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
This ain't too shabby: 140,000 sq. miles of marine preserveQuote:
Originally Posted by foreignerQuote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
can you portray Duh-bya in a positive light for us, with examples?
name 1 thing he has done that has had a positive outcome.
About the Papahanaumokuakea Marine National Monument
Too bad he didn't have time to bring this to fruition: 776.000 sq. miles of marine preserve
Pristine Islands to Be Protected Video -- National Geographic
Make no mistake about it, if it wasn't for his daddy, you would have never heard of GW Bush,Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
Thanks for playing,
...if it wasn't for...if it wasn't for...
hehe...who ever would have made it to the top - if it wasn't for...?
oh well, I'm sure many on here are happy to support any bitter and envious cheerleader.
Btw not playing at all, your rules confuse me.
looking for your daddy help at over 50 is hardly an accomplishment by any measure,Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
If you want to be an apologist, try someone else who at least worth it, supporting an inferior leader like GW Bush does say much about the character of his supporters,
You made the announcement, not me, to the effect that he'd be a useless good for nothing - if it wasn't for...if it wasn't for?Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Now you backtrack and divert from your own desperate though feeble attempt to denigrate the most powerful man in the world, who btw earned the position. Oh, and even if your standard chorus has any basis in fact, that he cheated, then at least made it as a contender...there you go, even more for you to cling to in pathological denial.
If you don't like him then say so. There are many intelligent people on TD, and it's sad that you need to cheerlead for the intellectually challenged that cannot see through and readily fall for such crap.
Never met you, but I imagine you to be a very bitter person, insecure and with nobody to blame but the rest of the world for your own failings and missed opportunity.
I am having a hard time following your logic about how I am backtracking ??? maybe you could explain yourself ? or is your name AA and have no logic in your accusations ?Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
No, that would be you sorry. I mean what kind of person would keep supporting such a failure and think of him as some kind of hero ?Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
I don't like him as a president because he is unfit to be president, it's that simple. He is a disgrace to the presidency.Quote:
Originally Posted by keda
See my point about the quality of characters of those who support him. As soon as they have no arguments to explain themselves, they start the attack mode. Keda, thanks for proving my point, you are a proud supporter of GW Bush and that speaks volume about your character. Nobody is perfect, so no need to go into attack mode ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by keda