Anyone know about overstay fine for children?

Hi, my daughter is Thai born and when she was 3 weeks old i got her a uk passport and took her and my wife to uk for 3 months.( yes i know i should have got a thai passport also, didnt know at the time)
When her mum (thai) took her back to thailand, they stamped her passport with a 1 month visa,, even tho' they knew she was Thai.and they saw her birth certificate
My wife went to immigration later on (about 3 months after) and they said "dont worry about it cause she is only a child," . but i am worried that when she comes over in 6 months time they will want a fortune at the airport.
Now just recently, we have lost her uk passport , and are in the middle of getting a replacement. But when we get that, there wont be a visa in there, Do i go to immigration and ask them to stamp the old one in there? will all immigration have this on computer?
This is a nightmare for me as i am still in uk and just worrying daily about this.
Can anyone help me with some info please.
What to do???
In my mind its easy for an immigration person in an office to say dont worry about it, cause they are not there when we get to the airport.
Am i going to get fined or are they going to say dont worry and stamp it out, or are they going to throw the book at me??
HEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP please !!

Kids are exempt from fines I think.

If not, they'll probably just throw them in the IDC until they're 18 then fine them :bunny3:

No, please be serious! If i got here a thai passport in Thailand when i go over and when i bring her back, would they stamp the overstay in the uk passport finished as she goes out, and would they also stamp the Thai one as well, Because i think they must have a stamp out of the country in their thai passports to enable them to return and get stamped in...yes?

how do i get araound this so i dont have this problem ever again?

as far as I know, there is the overstay stamp but no fine for children.

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Originally Posted by smilermike2006

No, please be serious! If i got here a thai passport in Thailand when i go over and when i bring her back, would they stamp the overstay in the uk passport finished as she goes out, and would they also stamp the Thai one as well, Because i think they must have a stamp out of the country in their thai passports to enable them to return and get stamped in...yes?

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you dont have to show both at the airport, so show thai one to leave thai, brit one to enter brit and so on,

no problem, but travel with birth certificate, may ask for it...

I don't think there's a problem. A Thai citizen can't overstay in their own country.

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Originally Posted by Gerbil

Kids are exempt from fines I think.

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I believe this to be correct. Tsicar had this problem when he left and didn't pay anything.

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Originally Posted by Ivor Biggun

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Originally Posted by Gerbil

Kids are exempt from fines I think.

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I believe this to be correct. Tsicar had this problem when he left and didn't pay anything.

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I thought Tsicar was quite old, not a kid

as for the passport and visa question, it is a mess, so better to go to the consulate (if you are out of Thailand), or the appropriate gov section and get her sorted out

all it is is paperwork and bureaucracy, I am sure they will tell you what you need

Sorry I should have said, he has two boys.

I'm with Kingwilly here.
Get her two passports.
Use the thai one coming in/out of thailand and the UK passport coming in/out of the UK.

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Originally Posted by Thetyim

I'm with Kingwilly here.
Get her two passports.
Use the thai one coming in/out of thailand and the UK passport coming in/out of the UK.

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still needs to show the UK passport to get out of Thailand being able to prove the child can get into the UK

problem with the little tits in the past, bobby?

^ Kids with dual citizenship ( Thai of course being one of them) are "supposedly" allowed to stay in Thailand with their Thai parent for an indefinite amount of time until they are 18 years old w/o any visa concerns.

Are children exempt from visa runs? I have a two-year-old child who entered Thailand on a 12-month multiple-entry “O” visa. I was told by Immigration that he doesn’t need to leave Thailand every 90 days as they don’t charge children under 14 with overstays.

However, a friend told me that she had asked Immigration and was told that her child would have to leave every 90 days. Which is correct?
Wednesday, February 6, 2008 Pete Aston, Rawai.


“Although children under 14 years old are not fined for overstaying their permits-to-stay, it is still not good to have an overstay recorded on the child’s passport. If possible, you should take your child out of the country with you when you next go on a visa run, as your visas should expire at the same time.

As your child entered Thailand with a non-immigrant “O” visa, which I guess is dependent on your non-immigrant “O” visa, I suggest that you request a one-year permit-to-stay from Immigration for yourself and for your child.

This will enable you to stay without having to leave the country every 90 days. Your child will, however, need to report at an Immigration office every 90 days.

If, however, your child is a student, you can apply for your child to be issued an “ED-visa”, with which he can be issued a permit-to-stay for the scholastic year.

Click here to check the requirements and how to qualify for a one year permit to stay.”

Wednesday, February 6, 2008

Pol Capt Krissarat Nuesen of the Phuket Provincial Immigration Office.

^ Does not state if the child has a Thai parent which makes him/her entitled to citizenship

if she has a Thai birth certificate, its just the stamper at the airport being a retard, get her a thai passport and tell them to go to fuck

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Originally Posted by BobbyTits

^ Does not state if the child has a Thai parent which makes him/her entitled to citizenship

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Being entitled to Thai citizenship and being a Thai citizen are two different concepts.

If there's money to be made, rest assured some Thai twat will try to make it.

Get her a Thai passport.

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Originally Posted by BobbyTits

still needs to show the UK passport to get out of Thailand being able to prove the child can get into the UK

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Bullshit.

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I think he means show the airline not show immigration

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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

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Originally Posted by BobbyTits

still needs to show the UK passport to get out of Thailand being able to prove the child can get into the UK

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Bullshit.

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Can Thai people with a Thai passport travel to the UK without showing a UK Visa stamped inside ?

The UK passport needs to be produced so the immigration clowns know the child can gain entry into the country.

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Originally Posted by Thetyim

I think he means show the airline not show immigration

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Yes, the airlines often want to see proof that they're not going to have to fly you all the way back again, but immigration will never require that info.

When she leaves thailand, yes they will stamp the uk passport out, but, if i have already obtained a thai passport before leaving, that will have no stamp in it when she leaves the country , so when she returns to thailand they will se no stamp in the thai passport for leaving thailand, so what will they do then? will they ask for the uk one again and stamp that with a 1month visa again?? Just seems like a never ending circle with no way of ending it. Comon lads you must all be up on this, or at least know someone who can give good advice.
The only way i know is that she leaves thailand on uk passport and then applies for a Thai passort in the uk and returns on that, but this takes 6 weeks to get and my wife cant stay that long in uk due to work,
rack your brains lads,there must be a way i am overlooking, this has to come to a good end

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Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

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Originally Posted by Thetyim

I think he means show the airline not show immigration

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Yes, the airlines often want to see proof that they're not going to have to fly you all the way back again, but immigration will never require that info.

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You are wrong.

I have kids here with two passports each.


Somchai the immigration monkey asks to see your boarding pass along with your passport ( remember that part?) When the kids Thai passports are produced for departure you will be asked how they will be allowed to enter said country w/o the VERY FOKING HARD TO GET VISA FOR THAI PEOPLE TO ENTER THE UK or USA in my case.

Somchai is then told they have dual passports , Somchai then asks to see them to confirm this as SOMCHAI DOES NOT LET PEOPLE LEAVE HIS BELOVED FOKING KINGDOM W/O HIS GODFORSAKEN LITTLE PERMISSION.

Normally it is best for the Thai wife to do this as Somchai is a small minded cnut. But it is allowed for kids to do this at the present moment.

^ Maybe they just like giving shit to rude farangs?

^ Maybe you should admit you do not know what the fok you are talking about ?

Ok, the trouble with just getting a thai passport is that.. i get one in Thailand ..easy, but they tell me i must leave the country with her and get stamped out on uk one and then apply for a Thai passport outside of the country, to be able to come back into the country with it, as it wont have an exit stamp on it which takes 6 weeks so sohe will have to be out of the country for that amount of time, and i or my wife cant do that, it seems that immigration and the thai embassy sing the same song but different. All of these problems because of a jobs worth with a rubber stamp. any ideas???

Asked Lopbury 3 on TV a while back and got this reply:

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Hi Lopburi 3,
Myself and our Four year old daughter have UK passports as she was born in UK, The question is, if I want more than the 30 days visa I can do the border run, would I have to take the daughter also? I read somewhere young children are exempt from paying at the airport for overstaying visa, so maybe I do not have to renew her visa also yes/no?

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Children will not be charged overstay (no) but:

a - Child should obtain a Thai passport and then make entry/exit of Thailand using that. Best to do this now so she does not have to search for documentations later on in life if she decided to make her home here.

b - If you may travel more than infrequently or for a longer period you might want to obtain a multi entry non immigrant O visa rather than depend on the 30 day stay stamp - but if you keep using the 30 day stamp watch your return flight to make sure it is booked during that 30 days to avoid any airline problems.

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Originally Posted by smilermike2006

Hi, my daughter is Thai born and when she was 3 weeks old i got her a uk passport and took her and my wife to uk for 3 months.( yes i know i should have got a thai passport also, didnt know at the time)
When her mum (thai) took her back to thailand, they stamped her passport with a 1 month visa,, even tho' they knew she was Thai.and they saw her birth certificate
My wife went to immigration later on (about 3 months after) and they said "dont worry about it cause she is only a child," . but i am worried that when she comes over in 6 months time they will want a fortune at the airport.
Now just recently, we have lost her uk passport , and are in the middle of getting a replacement. But when we get that, there wont be a visa in there, Do i go to immigration and ask them to stamp the old one in there? will all immigration have this on computer?
This is a nightmare for me as i am still in uk and just worrying daily about this.
Can anyone help me with some info please.
What to do???
In my mind its easy for an immigration person in an office to say dont worry about it, cause they are not there when we get to the airport.
Am i going to get fined or are they going to say dont worry and stamp it out, or are they going to throw the book at me??
HEEELLLLLLLLLLLLPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP please !!

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You have a Thai birth certificate correct and your wife will be with your child ?

If this is the case I would not overly worry about the situation and the immigration people seem pretty OK once they know the kids are also Thai citizens.

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Originally Posted by BobbyTits

^ Maybe you should admit you do not know what the fok you are talking about ?

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Ever heard of hell freezing over??? :p :rofl:

Basically , kids under 14 are not charged overstay, but as others have stated get your kid 2 passports to avoid future problems as only obtaining a Thai passport will mean you having to apply for a visa in his/her passport to enter the UK. A Thai passport takes about a week, you need the kids birth certificate, photos are taken at the passport office so you have no excuse not to go and get one. For replacing the lost British Passport at the British Embassy you will need a letter from the Thai police first stating it has been lost/stolen, personaly when you obtain a new British passport i would still go along to immigration with it if you are going to be staying in Thailand for a while longer, if not just take both passports to the airport with you when you leave as you will need the UK one at the check in desk then use the Thai one at Thai immigration, then the Uk one when entering Britain.

Get the kid a Thai passport straightaway. It's easy. Use that to get out and back into Thai. If they demand to see the British passport, show them- you'll have it with anyway.

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Originally Posted by Begbie

I don't think there's a problem. A Thai citizen can't overstay in their own country.

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no, they cannot overstay if they are thai, but if they travel on a different country's passport, they can overstay.
good news is that at the exit point, they note the overstay, and make a big fuss over it, but you only need to point out that children under the age of fourteen DO NOT have to pay the fine, whether they are thai or not. the rules may have changed in this regard since i left thailand a year ago, but i am pretty sure that this is still the case

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Originally Posted by Gerbil

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I thought Tsicar was quite old, not a kid

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tsicar is NOT "quite old". tsicar is still a 49 year old KID.
i thought everybody who read my posts would know that by now!

Good luck

thank you all for the info! i will let you know how i got on

The "cleanest " way to sort this out is first, get a Thai passport, take the Thai passport and the UK passport to the British Consul/Embassy and apply for "right of abode" they will put a sticker in your kid's Thai passport showing right of abode, never again will you need to show the UK passport te leave or enter Thailand.

It is a free stamp, you may however need (cannot remember) to have a UK birth registration, however, I expect that this is just a scam by the UK to screw you out of a few thousand baht.

My kids overstayed once. Not an issue, the immigration guys joked with them and smiled a lot then sent them on their way. That was on UK passports, before they even had their Thai ones.