The SC win is a big one. Historically the SC winner gets the nomination.
There is no denying he is the real thing. He will be able kick some Hillary/Obama butt all day long.:1st:
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The SC win is a big one. Historically the SC winner gets the nomination.
There is no denying he is the real thing. He will be able kick some Hillary/Obama butt all day long.:1st:
If the Bush family have achieved anything it is to make Reagan seem like a genius.
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Originally Posted by Mr Earl
The guy looks 10 days away from death.
I'm happy. Get Romney outta there.
Strange bunch of candidates you've got this time around. None of them seem to me the least bit, well, Presidential.
Giuliani might be the exception, but he doesn't seem to stand a chance. On the Dem's side, they all seem like possible VP candidates, running mates rather than serious presidential candidates.
True.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Earl
This may be so, Earl.Quote:
There is no denying he is the real thing.
We'll have to wait an see.Quote:
He will be able kick some Hillary/Obama butt all day long.:1st:
I do not consider him a Reagan foot soldier, although I'm not sure what you mean by this term.
way true.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabang
McCain wants to create a "League of Democracies" to shore up any areas where the UN fails ... not sure who would pay the bills but they would probably be quite busy since the UN is a total friggin' failure.
A League of Democracies sounds like the path Woodrow Wilson took. And GWB quoted Woodrow Wilson many times in his build to invade Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Storekeeper
The US isn't a democracy and never was designed to be one. McCain does seem like a Neo-Con.
Read the most recent issue of "Foreign Affairs" to get a pretty good idea of where Clinton and McCain stand on various issues ... McCain would more properly be qualified as a "Realist" than a neocon.Quote:
McCain does seem like a Neo-Con.
And I'm not pr-McCain at all ... unless my only choices are him or Hillary.
This is what he was calling himself during his speech in SC this morning....or last night for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
SK: thanks for the reference on the Foreign Affairs.
Earl: If McCain is playing that card, it's a bit sad.
Reagan was a big spender. A charismatic man who had convictions.
The Tax Reform Act he passed was his greatest accomplishment, IMO.
But those days are finished.
The US economy and its declining middle class have many serious issues to confront - if - they'll be confronted at all.
They days of tax cuts are basically over, no matter what administration or government is in power.
The GOP Primary in FL is closed to independents. We'll have to wait a week to see how Mr. McCain does.
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By Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, January 21, 2008; Page A01
COLUMBIA, S.C., Jan. 20 -- Riding the momentum from his weekend victory in South Carolina, John McCain turned his attention Sunday to Florida and the high-stakes primary there that will test whether the Arizona senator can consolidate support among Republican voters and take control of the GOP nomination battle.
The Jan. 29 contest in Florida will be the first Republican primary closed to independent voters, who have provided McCain with his margins of victory in both New Hampshire and South Carolina. A victory, strategists agreed, would stamp McCain as the front-runner in what has been a muddied Republican race and give him a clear advantage heading toward Super Tuesday on Feb. 5.
Link: washingtonpost.com
IMO it doesn't really matter which Republican wins the nomination, unless the economy changes today, the Republicans are un-electable. They're fighting on too many fronts - literally in some cases.
They may be able to get the voters to agree to stay in Iraq. Even Afghanistan. They may even sell the War on Terror (although I see the UK no longer use this term as they say it inspires would be terrorist).
But they'll never win if people back home are losing their homes to repossessions. And no party ever will.
I think the GOP has been a complete disaster on many fronts. I am hoping the US public realizes this. Remember, how polarized the US can be. But I think the Dems can only lose it. The (D) Pres and VP team and organization will be decent, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
I blame the US government's recklessness, all parties and politicians, and more specifically, the people that were unscrupulously lending money that people could never pay back. And the borrowers were fools.Quote:
But they'll never win if people back home are losing their homes to repossessions. And no party ever will.
The FTSE was down 5.5% today, and Asian markets took a hit. When we wake up on Wednesday morning (after the the US holiday) we'll likely see another decline in the USA financial markets.
Where is the "Greatest Economy in the World Thread."
The sh*t, is now hitting, the fan.
It's only FL, but there is a run-down on the Independents and leaners that voted for McCain. One question related to the post directly above about Obama: can Obama get enough independents?
Link: Why McCain Won In Florida, Arizona Senator Fashions Familiar Coalition Of GOP Mavericks To Gain Nod In Sunshine State - CBS NewsQuote:
Why McCain Won In Florida
Jan. 29, 2008
John McCain fashioned a hard-fought victory in the Florida GOP primary with a coalition of voters he has counted on many times before - Republican Party mavericks.
He received substantial support from independents, seculars, pro-choice voters, and those Republicans dissatisfied with the Bush administration. Voters' economic concerns also helped propel him to a win.
Mitt Romney came in a close second, winning the conservative Republican vote, including the votes of religious conservatives.
The Winning Coalition
While none of the voter groups McCain won make up a significant portion of the Republican primary electorate, together they were enough to give him a narrow victory.
McCain's chief appeal was to Republican voters who consider themselves to be independent; they made up 17 percent of the primary electorate, and McCain won 41 percent of their vote.
In addition, GOP moderates and liberals were on McCain's side. The Arizona senator won 46 percent of self-described liberals (11 percent of those voting). He also won 40 percent of moderates (28 percent of GOP voters) - beating both Giuliani and Romney by 18 points among these Republicans.
^whenever I see the Republican ballot, I wonder why Jeb is not running. Is it possibly, just possibly, because they know they don't stand a chance?
I don't like Republicans, but yes, I do like Jeb.Quote:
Originally Posted by William
He's a very SMART guy. Brilliant.
Jeb, and not GWB should have ran in the first place but it's too late for that.
Jeb was unique in the sense that he majored in Latin American studies, earning a BA. He went to Mexico on an exchange program and met his wife, and he's been a solid fiscal conservatvie and intelligent politician.
But as Jeb Bush has said: he has "no tengo futuro."
The name has run its course.
Another "Bush?"
Not going to happen, IMO. In 4, 8, or 10 years.
why, pray tell, do you think jeb bush is 'brilliant'? or is it just in comparison to his brother?Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
anyway, i don't see how anyone could believe that america is going to elect a 72 year old man to be president. but one good thing will come from his nomination....it will bring to light what an alzheimer plagued geriatric reagan was during most of his presidency. reference has been made to it in biographies and inside accounts, but it's never really been front and center in the MSM. once people realize that mccain would be 76 (fucking hell, 76 ) when he left office, the comparisons to reagan will be made, and the truth will widely known...finally.
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Originally Posted by raycarey
McCain is bordering on senility already and he is nothing more than a tool of the old boy network already in control.
ageist poo. age, in and of itself, is lame gauge to count out a presidential candidate.
Ray, I DON'T like McCain, and but I am not sure if age will play into this race or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
He has handlers. They are crafting his shoot-from-the-hip statements, and training him.
He's an experienced politician - doesn't mean he's good - it means he's good at words.
And yes, Reagan was old - and he got elected twice in landslides.
He looks so damn old, and tired most of the time. Then you see his wife, my Lord what does he do about that, seriously. Any volunteers here? Oh I like Romney.
skycop51
Below is an article from the NY TIMES, today. It details specific policies and positions by McCain that draw the ire and fierce opposition of conservatives. I am starting to warm up to him a little, as I cannot stand Social Conservatives, and Xtian Right-wing conservatives. This article also contains comments from Coulter and other Right-Wing socially conservative spin doctors. McCain is going to pretend to be more conservative, in the coming weeks, IMO.
Entire: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/01/us...hp&oref=sloginQuote:
WASHINGTON — Senator John McCain has long aroused almost unanimous opposition from the leaders of the right. Accusing him of crimes against conservative orthodoxy like voting against a big tax cut and opposing a federal ban on same-sex marriage, conservative activists have agitated for months to thwart his Republican presidential primary campaign.
MM
a couple of unresolved matters....
1. why is jeb bush 'brilliant'.
2. do you know anyone in their 70s? and if so, do any of them still have the wherewithal to hold what should be one of the most demanding jobs in the world?
the US has had 7 years of someone who wasn't interested in the job of governing, it doesn't need 4 more from someone who needs to take naps instead of governing.
call it ageist if you will, but i consider it to be pragmatic. 76 year olds should be retired---not running the country.
and i don't think i'm alone in this thinking....a lot of boomers have parents who are living longer than anyone ever imagined, and they have first hand experience of the capabilities of a 70 year old....and i doubt they'll be able to vote for one in good conscience.
My statement of 'brilliant' is a bit over-the-top, using that term for anyone. Jeb seems intelligent, and I like his background in that he studied in Latin America, got a BA in Latin American studies, and then went to work in a bank. Jeb is not a big government guy, at least this is what I recall. GWB is a big government spend crazy politician. (Yes, he did have connections, being a Bush family member.)Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
I made this statement with the assumption, that since another Bushie got into office, and elected, it should have been Jeb instead of GWB. Jeb, was an original signer of the PNAC, too. So, me not like him, too much.
Hypothetical, now.
Yes, I know people in their 70s, and even 80s and 90s.Quote:
2. do you know anyone in their 70s? and if so, do any of them still have the wherewithal to hold what should be one of the most demanding jobs in the world?
Yes, I think being 72 (he'll be 73 in August) is too old to be President, mentally and physically.
My comment was as it is now: age may not be a factor in the election, if McCain is the nominee. His choice of VP will be very crucial.
How important that Mc has selected a Great Vice President. I am not sure he will live out his term. Look at him...as I have said he looks very tired and old. IMHO
skcop51
Reagan was very fortunate to have a youthful appearance, and I don't remember but think he was much older than McCain when first elected?
^going to show that even without politicians, a country can run itself...
McCain, the fiscal conservative/war hero, up against an adulterer, a preacher, a libertarian, and a Mormon :D Basically, the lunatic fringe of the Republican party, not exactly a tough field.
I think Romney is the best of the lot. Unfortunately, many evangelicals, representing 30% of voting Republicans, consider Mormonism a "cult" = campaign over! He must have known this from the start.
What happened to Ron Paul ?
it appers ever more likely that mccain is going to get the republican nomination. and IMO that's a good thing because it will force the debate to the center---which is where most americans are politically. the divisive, rovian machinations of the last 8 years haven't done anything for the country, except drive it apart.
Ron Paul is still campaigning and spreading his message.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
racarey:
Yeah, most of the U.S. is at the Center, and therfore I want to see politicians from the Center. They can dole out little tokens to those on the fringe, but I want someone from the Center political, culturally, and economically.Quote:
it appers ever more likely that mccain is going to get the republican nomination. and IMO that's a good thing because it will force the debate to the center---which is where most americans are politically. the divisive, rovian machinations of the last 8 years haven't done anything for the country, except drive it apart.
McCain's moderate position is refreshing and long awaited as you well point out.Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Given his position on the Iraq war, I would guess he shouldn't be expecting your vote however!
not even close to getting my vote. but he seems like a decent man, and i look forward to a national debate which focuses on where the country is headed---not one that is corrupted by rovian wedge issues like 'same sex marriage' and abortion.
besides, he'll never beat obama. the majority of americans are not going to vote for someone older than their grandfather to president. he'll be 76 or 77 when he's finished (if he lives that long or doesn't have a stroke)...and it's very well documented that he hasn't had an easy life.
It's gonna get interesting: McCain vs Obama in the general election.
The true war hero political heavy against the brilliant orator political youth.
Mc Cain is too old, Obama is too young.
Well, I bet on a female US president next time.
But whoever it is, it is anyway going to be a relief...:)
If you look at the turn out figures at how many Democrats are showing up to vote in the primaries there is a very good chance that McCain will be having his ass handed to him come November.
A pic of John McCain staring at EM Zanotti's chest.
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