90m clip here how the collapse
Catastrophic collision: Cargo ship causes bridge collapse | 7 News Australia - YouTube
90m clip here how the collapse
Catastrophic collision: Cargo ship causes bridge collapse | 7 News Australia - YouTube
BBC News has ‘experts’ attributing the disaster to design flaws already known to be common In boh the ship and the bridge.
The water was busy eating cars and people, including pedesstrians seen on the bridge. Search and rescue ongoing for missing bodies. The water was cold and air temp reported to be around 9 degrees farenheit at the time.
First responders doing all the hard work. Local talking heads doing lots of handwringing, and praying of course.This is USA after all.
Ship leased by Maersk.
The Pillars wasn't protected against collision, which will be Maersk's excuse for not paying compensation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Switch
They are btw best friends with Pentagon.
Sad shit, eh
Thebridge I a common, butvery old design in which interconnecting section collapse on impact. Many like this one around still in use.
Cargo container ships only have one screw. This ship is believed to have lost power. It may or may not have had a tugboat or a local pilot attached when it hit the bridge.
^ I was once on a vessel that grounded on a rock when leaving port... with a Norwegian pilot onboard. The skipper still lost his job, despite having relinquished power to the pilot.
This vessel... Singapore registered, Indian crew, Maersk cargo (?) and you can bet the owners will be hidden by a raft of companies.
Maritime law is complicated and you don't get a more litigious society than The States. The only winners here will be the lawyers.
Agreed. Maritime law and lawyers will definitely profit from this one. Sounds like a major clusterfuck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
Of course not to condused with Sino-Tibetan haven Da Li in Tunnan where teh Naxi peoples zonked on the local china white grow grass in the cop shop car park.About half way to the Pandas from here.
I imagine planty of other bridges examined, like the American nuclear sub and the Irish light house we know who was in the wrong
Irish Light House v US Navy Ship - YouTube
:)"This is a lighthouse, Mate. It's your call"......................."Hello ? Captain ?"
DALI, Container ship, IMO 9697428 | Vessel details | BalticShipping.comQuote:
Originally Posted by Switch
If this is the same Dali, it had thruster, if that is worth anything at all, in that situation
OhQuote:
Originally Posted by Switch
Pilot yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Switch
Tug no
Greek owned ship
Some remarkably dumb twitter posts blaming the event on illegal immigration.
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https://x.com/atrupar/status/1772619621457154389?s=20
All 6 workers missing after bridge collapse presumed dead, authorities say
Authorities say all six workers missing after a Baltimore bridge collapsed Tuesday are presumed dead and the search for them has been suspended until Wednesday morning.
Col. Roland L. Butler Jr., superintendent for Maryland State Police, said Tuesday evening that the search and rescue mission was transitioning to one of search and recovery. He says divers would return to the site at 6 a.m. Wednesday when challenging overnight conditions were expected to improve.
Baltimore Key bridge collapse live updates: 6 workers presumed dead, search resumes Wednesday | AP News
All maritime workers, any chance the ships systems could have been hacked?
NWW and all (New World Weapons)
I always apprecite a tug, a thruster not so much.
In the event of total power loss the inertia indicates the captain ( a ship is not a democracy) did not have sufficient free pratique at those knors to avoid a bridge unable to withstand such a massive load.
RIP
let us not forget the poor Latinos on the night shift repairing American infrastructure, Maersk and the lawyers still be aguing when Fort Amisted witnesses the replacement around 2028-30
All sounds suspect to me and on the morning we start to hear about what our gov's found the CCP have been up to......hmmmmmmmmm deeply suspect. I actually just had to deal with a mainlander peasant today at work, they are so unbelievably childish and their use of false threats is hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by david44
And surprise surprise!
A bunch of right wing US nutters have a nutty right wing conspiracy theory about it.
Online conspiracy circles galvanize to proclaim Baltimore bridge collapse a ‘black swan event’ | Baltimore bridge collapse | The Guardian
As its 3 decades since I was on the Bridge of a bulk carrier pre internet just Inmarsat I cannot be sure a remote cyber attack could stop a ship, but with AI everywhere it will soon be possible.
I cannot ssee China would wish to stop containerss full of their exports being able to access port of Baltimore via the tideway.
Of course real cynics may see it as an embarrassssment for Biden regime and a boost for teh Trumpanzees ? While Trump seems softer on Russsia and Stormy he always sseemss "gung Ho" if you will, the art of the "EEL"
Such conspiracie sure to blossom esp if Trump loses and extremists like Marjorie Taylor Greene are given airtime.
The "black box' may yield the answers, whether those culpable can be identified but can only think of a few states with the know how outside the 5 eyes, India,France Israel wouldn't Russia China yes , doubt Iran , N Korea or other foes have the tech
i suppose our small boat problem doesn't wreck bridges.Quote:
Originally Posted by happynz
Building Bridges is the key according to Arch WellQuote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
I am surprised and saddened by all the terrorist conspiracy theorist. Stranger things happen at sea. This was just a bit closer to shore. I doubt we will ever be told what the actual cause was. I can't see a total electrical failure as there are multiple electrical circuits and many generators. All generators would have to "drop off the board" at once.
That being said our second engineer did for some reason stop the maid freshwater cooling pump only to discover it would not self prime on restart. Oops. Mid river with tugs just released.
One thing for sure, if this had happened in the UK there wouldn't have been any casualties because there's not a chance any workers would be out fixing potholes in the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by malmomike77
This disaster was the major topic of conversation on the way home from school yesterday, with the daughter and one of her classmates. I was trying to prepare them in case they are ever in a car that plunges into water. First, keep your seatbelt on until the initial impact is over, or until the car has rolled over, because you're never getting out if you've been knocked unconscious. Second, get your windows down as soon as possible, while the electrics still work. This is a big problem with cars these days that have electric windows and no manual crank... once the electrics go due to water immersion you're pretty well buggered.
And that's not only the windows... the central locking comes on in many cars a few seconds into your journey, so if the electrics go, you're locked in with windows up. Also, even if that's not the case, you'll never open a car door underwater due to the water pressure, and it's much easier to watch the water level gradually rise while sat next to an open window than a closed window and door. I would imagine.
Get the windows down, let water poor in (which it would eventually, anyway) and then simply release your seatbelt and swim through the open window.
I knew that my helicopter underwater escape training would become relevant one day.
To be honest I'm not sure if the kids appreciated my prep talk or whether I traumatised them, but at least they're now prepared if ever I pick them up from school one day pissed, and end up driving into Korat city moat. :)
YEP WAS TAUGHT SAME:deadhorsebig: ANOTHER PLUS TO DRIVING A TRACTORQuote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
This guy explained it so I almost got it. AlmostQuote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
MV Dali and the Francis Scott Key Bridge | March 31 Update & Who Pays for the Salvage? (youtube.com)
You will be getting a call from the school secretary shortly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
"Mr. mendip, your daughter has been telling her class what to do if your in a car in the water."
(Oh no, your thinking.)
"Mr. Mendip, do you think", ....
(Your thinking what have thet been saying)
..... that you would be able to speak to our morning assembly, if you have time ?
I'm sure they have a badge ready to pin on your shirt.
damn this made me laugh... exactly same with my kids. I think i am giving helpful info but probably they are just traumatized and have one more thing to worry about now. Used to drill them on what to do if i cut my arm off at home with the chainsaw (we live a bit out in the countryside) and other fun stuff like that. always about staying calm first.. panic after the fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendip
But i have to say.. one time a couple years ago as a 15 year old my daughter was in a very traumatic and terrifying life or death emergency situation and while the adults around her panicked and froze (justifiably so) she stayed calm and handled shit as best as she possibly could. She was amazing. She absolutely broke down emotionally afterwards and fell apart, but in the moment she stayed calm, kept her wits and did what needed to be done. So maybe all those weird talks actually did sink in.... she told me later that she just tried to remember me always telling her "stay calm, think clearly" .
The owner and manager of a cargo ship that rammed into Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge before the span collapsed last week filed a court petition Monday seeking to limit their legal liability for the deadly disaster.
The companies’ “limitation of liability” petition is a routine but important procedure for cases litigated under U.S. maritime law.
A federal court in Maryland ultimately decides who is responsible — and how much they owe — for what could become one of the costliest catastrophes of its kind.
Singapore-based Grace Ocean Private Ltd. owns the Dali, the vessel that lost power before it slammed into the bridge early last Tuesday. Synergy Marine Pte Ltd., also based in Singapore, is the ship’s manager.
Their joint filing seeks to cap the companies’ liability at roughly $43.6 million. It estimates that the vessel itself is valued at up to $90 million and was owed over $1.1 million in income from freight. The estimate also deducts two major expenses: at least $28 million in repair costs and at least $19.5 million in salvage costs.
The companies filed under a pre-Civil War provision of an 1851 maritime law that allows them to seek to limit their liability to the value of the vessel’s remains after a casualty. It’s a mechanism that has been employed as a defense in many of the most notable maritime disasters, said James Mercante, a New York City-based attorney with over 30 years of experience in maritime law.
“This is the first step in the process,” Mercante said. “Now all claims must be filed in this proceeding.”
Cases like this typically take years to completely resolve, said Martin Davies, director of Tulane University Law School’s Maritime Law Center.
“Although it’s a humongous case with a very unusual set of circumstances, I don’t think it’s going to be that complicated in legal terms,” he said. “All aspects of the law are very clear here, so I think the thing that will take the time here is the facts. What exactly went wrong? What could have been done?”
A report from credit rating agency Morningstar DBRS predicts the bridge collapse could become the most expensive marine insured loss in history, surpassing the record of about $1.5 billion held by the 2012 shipwreck of the Costa Concordia cruise ship off Italy. Morningstar DBRS estimates total insured losses for the Baltimore disaster could be $2 billion to $4 billion.
Baltimore Key bridge collapse: Cargo ship'''s owner and manager seek to limit legal liability | AP News