Tiles or granite?

I'm about to surrender the storeroom to the kids, so it will henceforth be known as the bunker. I've removed most of the shelves and left one stack in case it comes handy; probably will, but if not it can go.

To suit its intended purpose the bunker should be tiled, and all was going sweet till a mate mentioned that granite is harder wearing and might be worth considering as a long term one off. More expensive installed, but now it's an option.

My original thought in round numbers was 20k all in for tiles, and from a brief visit to the local quarry on Sukhumvit granite would be more or less double.

The bunker is around 40sqm, and add a bit for stairs, ramp and sides.

What do the pros think?

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Tiles for the steps, but not impressed with the selection of non-slip/rubber for the ramp which could get quite slippery when wet, so how do we keep the utility of the ramp and kids from going ass over?

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Originally Posted by jabir

so how do we keep the utility of the ramp and kids from going ass over?

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rib it

and tiles

You can have large tiles looking like granite with very exact edges. When properly laid, no need a gap.

Astroturf is another option :)

Tiles. Long term you ain't gonna be here. Why worry about after?:chitown:

You need to consider how slippery the surface will get, i'd go some non slip bathroom type - if its for the kids to f' around in why spend a fortune

^Astroturf, thats funny. He was asking what the building pros think. Not a socker (football) fan.

I'd take that for granite.

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Originally Posted by jabir

Tiles or granite?

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Uncanny Jabir but my house is built similar to yours except I can only access the bunker from inside. Measurements look about the same as well. Enough small talk. Tile it.

You should turn it into a basement man cave of sins. The kids can play in the Soi.

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Originally Posted by jabir

intended purpose

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What is intended usage? I can't think of any I would consider granite.

Granito could be option to granite but I would lean heavily toward normal tile.

EXTRUDE TILE | Kenzai is a manufacturer and exporter of unglazed and homogeneous ceramics tiles

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Originally Posted by jabir

not impressed with the selection of non-slip/rubber for the ramp

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I use this on places I need non slip surface.

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Originally Posted by Jack meoff

You should turn it into a basement man cave of sins.

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Good idea. I wish I'd thought of that before the wife used it as a storeroom.

Non-slip paint onto the concrete. Safety grip paint for the ramp.

Is Altro or polysafe flooring available in Thailand?

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Originally Posted by Neverna

Safety grip paint for the ramp.

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Chair lift for that. It'll keep the kids entertained as well.

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Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Is Altro or polysafe flooring available in Thailand?

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Is your index finger broken? :) Try here https://www.lazada.co.th/products/lu...RoCICsQAvD_BwE

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Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Is your index finger broken? :)

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Did a quick search but nothing seemed on, maybe some local variant. Nowt wrong with me middle finger Prag:)

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Originally Posted by Neverna

Non-slip paint onto the concrete. Safety grip paint for the ramp.

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Jotun Jota Armour ... available in Thailand:

Non-slip coating for steel and concrete.
Jota Armour provides a coarse surface with non-slip performance in wet, oily and icy conditions.
Exceptional non-slip properties for people and equipment even when applied on a sloping ramp or walk-way.

https://www.jotun.com/th/th/b2b/pain...ta-armour.aspx

By the way, Jack answered the question...

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Originally Posted by Jack meoff

Astroturf is another option :)

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Part of my job 25 years ago used to be creating play areas for kids (:rolleyes:)... I worked in a boarding school.

25 Years ago. Which was the last time I worked with kids, repo senders. ;)

This is exactly what we did with the basement.

It's by far the most practical solution.

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Originally Posted by cyrille

It's by far the most practical solution.

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..... until it rains .......

There are issues of Astro turf and cancer

Artificial turf that uses infill made from recycled tires (“crumb rubber”) contains a cocktail of toxic chemicals, including benzothiazole, carbon black, and heavy metals. As the Mt. ... Children have increased exposure to toxic chemicals due to the unique way they interact with their environment.

I was thinking that Jack didn't literally mean astroturf tm.

Just the cheapass stuff in Thailand.

Like a roll of rubbish green carpet.

Not that Jack exudes 'cheap' at all. ;)

Have you ever actually been to Thailand? :D

On a scale of 1-10 surely this would be a 1?

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Originally Posted by NamPikToot

You need to consider how slippery the surface will get, i'd go some non slip bathroom type - if its for the kids to f' around in why spend a fortune

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For this and a couple of suggestions from above, makes sense that if the ramp tiles are wet they would use the steps. So regular nonslip bathroom type tiles it will be for the ramp.

Prag: Fair comment, won't be around to see tiles wear out, but the idea is to dob dob dob so if floor granite comes out on top by a margin that'll be it. Are you on the Darkside?

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Originally Posted by Jack meoff

Astroturf is another option :)

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Jacko: No thanks, they'll wet and use it as a slide.

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Originally Posted by Norton

What is intended usage? I can't think of any I would consider granite.

Granito could be option to granite but I would lean heavily toward normal tile.

EXTRUDE TILE | Kenzai is a manufacturer and exporter of unglazed and homogeneous ceramics tiles



I use this on places I need non slip surface.

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Thanks, looks worth having a pot of that in the shed.

A consideration, how long the kids will be playing there? The kids grow very fast, fly away as per their own ideas, not of the father's. What will be the subsequent purpose of the room?
(Unless another batch of kids is delivered...:) )

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Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Jabir why have you got an A/C in your basement? Mines as cool as fcuk.

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It's been there 5 years, belts and braces I suppose, hardly used and not worth the hassle to remove it.

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Originally Posted by Neverna

Jotun Jota Armour ... available in Thailand:

Non-slip coating for steel and concrete.
Jota Armour provides a coarse surface with non-slip performance in wet, oily and icy conditions.
Exceptional non-slip properties for people and equipment even when applied on a sloping ramp or walk-way.

https://www.jotun.com/th/th/b2b/pain...ta-armour.aspx

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That looks bladdy useful, thanks.

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Originally Posted by cyrille

By the way, Jack answered the question...



Part of my job 25 years ago used to be creating play areas for kids (:rolleyes:)... I worked in a boarding school.

25 Years ago. Which was the last time I worked with kids, repo senders. ;)

This is exactly what we did with the basement.

It's by far the most practical solution.

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I took the original as tongue in cheek, but will add it to the list. Astroturf.

Jabs, that's whit i'd go with - the space use is transitory - keep the cost down with a focus and practicality and minimum cost - go with Norts and Nevs suggestion. Later if ideas change you ain't spunked a lot

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Originally Posted by jabir

That looks bladdy useful, thanks.

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^^^ They have an office in Chonburi that might be able to point you in the direction of a nearby supplier.

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Originally Posted by NamPikToot

There are issues of Astro turf and cancer

Artificial turf that uses infill made from recycled tires (“crumb rubber”) contains a cocktail of toxic chemicals, including benzothiazole, carbon black, and heavy metals. As the Mt. ... Children have increased exposure to toxic chemicals due to the unique way they interact with their environment.

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If use of those toxins result in cheaper production for greater profit, then that's what will be palmed off in Thailand, esp if made in China. Noted, and one scale just went whoosh.

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A consideration, how long the kids will be playing there? The kids grow very fast, fly away as per their own ideas, not of the father's. What will be the subsequent purpose of the room?
(Unless another batch of kids is delivered...:) )

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Won't be my concern but tile, granite and the chemical concoctions are all more aesthetic and useful than bare concrete.

Ta all, and good night.

Is the Thai strong with you?

If so ... either a smooth polished concrete but, at the Farm, we are a little more Hi-So.

Get some off-cuts of Lino (linoleum) and loosely lay it on the floor.

The Cellar will stay cool. You won't get a cold arse by sitting on the concrete.

If it rains and floods the basement, the Lino lifts ... simples :)

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As for using the ramp as a slide ... encourage it. This is Thailand.

I suggest using granito tiles mate.

They look like real granite and I suggest you buy the 60 cm square ones.

Boonthavorn regularly has specials on these tiles and buy white tiles as the bunker will look a lot bigger then what it is.

And great news you have finally moved in.

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Originally Posted by David48atTD

Is the Thai strong with you?

If so ... either a smooth polished concrete but, at the Farm, we are a little more Hi-So.

Get some off-cuts of Lino (linoleum) and loosely lay it on the floor.

The Cellar will stay cool. You won't get a cold arse by sitting on the concrete.

If it rains and floods the basement, the Lino lifts ... simples :)

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As for using the ramp as a slide ... encourage it. This is Thailand.

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Sure I don't mind going Thai occasionally on impulse, if it doesn't hurt too much.

The village is on stilts with good drainage, and afaik there have been no reports of flooding in its 6-7 years, so the bunker should be safe from torrents. Flooding might have occurred from within through crap plumbing, but the bunker was added as a self contained storeroom extension with no direct access from the house and no water source. I'm good with that.

Novel idea for the slide, way out of the box when we were fishing for non-slip solutions. Now one thing I'm not is a builder, and healthwise fine for pointing and barking orders though not in shape to lift/shift or much else along those lines. Gets me thinking back to the good old days, just yesterday when it looked simple enough, head was clearing and all I needed to do was choose which tiles for the different bunker parts. Then the granite angle grew into a maze with a bunch more combo options, so I turned to the lads for help in plotting an exit route; and just as we're getting there you've gone and muddied the chart with your Thai thing, a slide. :)

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Originally Posted by jabir

the bunker should be safe from torrents.

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But is it proof against the water table? My basement was okay for the first few years. Dry as a desert. Then one year we had terrible rains and the water table rose. My 'bunker' filled up accordingly.
The builder did not do the bunker concrete pour in one go. Recommended. Another way of doing it is to use rubber jointing strips. He didn't use any and the water came in through joints. What to do? I dug a large sump hole and line it with concrete rings. Then I installed a submersible pump with a float switch. Later I laid pipes to the sump and now it drains naturally. Did it all myself as I have no trust in Somchai when it comes to thinking on the move.

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Originally Posted by Loy Toy

I suggest using granito tiles mate.

They look like real granite and I suggest you buy the 60 cm square ones.

Boonthavorn regularly has specials on these tiles and buy white tiles as the bunker will look a lot bigger then what it is.

And great news you have finally moved in.

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Lots of ideas so far, most pointing sensibly at KISS and moderation over unnecessary expense.

Boonthavorn is on my bucket list for the day; I did intend to keep it bright with a yuge mirror behind the chair stack but that's cosmetic and can be done later.

Plan is for a slow migration and make it official with the washing machine, after disruptive works are completed; as it stands that is down to the bunker, though it is separate from the house. No hurry.

Some things we take for granted, which we shouldn't. Been beating myself up for doing all the prep and going through the place methodically with list in hand, and failing to notice that although every bedroom has loads of cupboard space none have any fcuking drawers! Where drawers should be is empty space. Not just that but I also missed the clues, in an unusual number of free standing shelves throughout; my very bad. Not the end of the world, just need to choose between having drawers built to order and or ready made drawer sets to fill the gaps.

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Originally Posted by Pragmatic

But is it proof against the water table? My basement was okay for the first few years. Dry as a desert. Then one year we had terrible rains and the water table rose. My 'bunker' filled up accordingly.
The builder did not do the bunker concrete pour in one go. Recommended. Another way of doing it is to use rubber jointing strips. He didn't use any and the water came in through joints. What to do? I dug a large sump hole and line it with concrete rings. Then I installed a submersible pump with a float switch. Later I laid pipes to the sump and now it drains naturally. Did it all myself as I have no trust in Somchai when it comes to thinking on the move.

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Suddenly I hope we're not neighbours. :)

Jabir I forgot to tell you what a concrete joint is called in case you want to look it up. I was employed as a groundworker and even I forgot to ask the builder how he was going to do the concreting. I assumed he'd know. Apparently not. When concreting in more than one pour it's known as a 'cold joint' and needs to be done if the room is a basement. Leaking usually doesn't happen until after about 3 years of doing.

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A cold joint is a plane of weakness in concrete caused by an interruption or delay in the concreting operations. It occurs when the first batch of concrete has begun to set before the next batch is added, so that the two batches do not intermix.

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https://www.concreteconstruction.net.../cold-joints_o