Denmark bans wearing of face veils in public to uphold 'Danish values'

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Denmark has banned the wearing of face veils in public, joining France and other European countries in outlawing the burka and the niqab worn
by some Muslim women to uphold what some politicians say are secular and democratic values.

Parliament voted on Thursday for the ban proposed by the centre-right Government, which said veils were contrary to Danish values.
Opponents said the ban, which will take effect on August 1, infringed on women's rights to dress as they chose.

Under the law, police can instruct women to remove their veils or order them to leave public areas. Justice Minister Soren Pape Poulsen said that
officers would in practice fine them and tell them "to go home".

Fines would range from 1,000 Danish crowns ($207) for a first offence to 10,000 crowns for a fourth violation.

Denmark bans wearing of face veils in public to uphold 'Danish values' - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


A refresher course for those (including me) who aren't up with the various attires.

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How I wish the British pollies had the balls to follow suit.

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Opponents said the ban, which will take effect on August 1, infringed on women's rights to dress as they chose.

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Do Muslim women really 'choose' to dress as they do looking like a black bag of nothing or is it a 'right' imposed on them by their male religious leaders.

If what I read is true it is against the law in some Islamic countries for a woman to dress otherwise in public.

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Originally Posted by birding

Do Muslim women really 'choose' to dress as they do looking like a black bag of nothing or is it a 'right' imposed on them by their male religious leaders.

If what I read is true it is against the law in some Islamic countries for a woman to dress otherwise in public.

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It's not something explicitly stated in the Quran, which refers only to "modesty".

People like the talitubbies want women dressed as bin bags like 3.

In most of the muslim world, a variant of 2, 4 or 5 are acceptable.

However, some overzealous family heads like 1. 1 is more common in Saudi, although 4 with the addition of a battoulah is often seen, mainly in older women.

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Originally Posted by David48atTD

Denmark has banned the wearing of face veils in public, joining France and other European countries in outlawing the burka and the niqab worn
by some Muslim women to uphold what some politicians say are secular and democratic values.

Parliament voted on Thursday for the ban proposed by the centre-right Government, which said veils were contrary to Danish values.
Opponents said the ban, which will take effect on August 1, infringed on women's rights to dress as they chose.

Under the law, police can instruct women to remove their veils or order them to leave public areas. Justice Minister Soren Pape Poulsen said that
officers would in practice fine them and tell them "to go home".

Fines would range from 1,000 Danish crowns ($207) for a first offence to 10,000 crowns for a fourth violation.

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Beneath it all, the Danes remain Vikings. Way to go Denmark :smilie_clap:

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Originally Posted by David48atTD

which said veils were contrary to Danish values.

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How I wish the British pollies

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the law in some Islamic countries for a woman to dress otherwise in public

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In most of the muslim world, a variant of 2, 4 or 5 are acceptable

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Most enlightened countries have laws which exclude discrimination based on religion. Whatever a persons choice of religion observance, they are allowed to follow it's "customs". Who is the person who chooses what the religions "customs" are, the religions leaders or some here today gone politician?

Currently many of the alleged enlightened countries need another bogey man to subdue their population's current frustration and anger. Many are choosing to select a particular highly visible, minority group, as the target.

Some here, happily wallow in that cesspit, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by OhOh

Most enlightened countries have laws which exclude discrimination based on religion.

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Hello! It's Starbucks time again. Obviously, you don't know any women-folk who grew-up, in any of the totally male-dominated Muslim cultures.

FYI ~ The Burka Laws have absolutely nothing to do with Islam, as a religion. There is no such women's dress-code, specifically stated anywhere in the Holy Koran.

Denmark is an open-face society, by law. Thus, if insecure Muslim menfolk have a problem with the laws of a different nation, that unilaterally applies to that country's own citizenry:ourrules: Period!.......,

then a simple solution is> henceforth, Muslim blokeys are best advised: ~ "go-to" ~ one of those other western countries, that will pander to, and/or accommodate their little dictatorial :tantrum: demands.

More big brother BS. Governments have no business telling citizens what they can and cannot wear.

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Originally Posted by Norton

More big brother BS. Governments have no business telling citizens what they can and cannot wear.

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Big brother has absolutely nothing to do with it, Norton. Kindly stop mixing apples, with oranges. Thank you, sir :)

Muslim men have a penchanted reputation for traveling the world and stomping their feet, like a bunch of cry-baby tots,

demanding that other countries relax their cultural values, to kiss the Little Prince's butt. I've seen those temper-tantrums,

on far too many occasions, in several western international airports. Sorry Mehmet :baby:, butt your Mama doesn't live here. Time to grow-up!

^^ But we do, don't we? Nekkid people don't get far before being cuffed. Nazi insignia, you won't even get away with that in Berlin. As for 'Bring back Slavery' and "Gimme Apartheid", that don't fly (except in Israel). And don't turn up to a Democratic convention wearing an NRA or God Hates Fags T shirt.

Methinks pragmatism should rule the day. They can't walk into secured premises like that. Banks, airports, shopping malls, train & bus stations- Nada. But at least it's their choice.

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Originally Posted by Norton

More big brother BS. Governments have no business telling citizens what they can and cannot wear.

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In this age of security they do.

What about checking in a for a flight? Passport control? Police Lineups?

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Originally Posted by sabang

^^ Methinks pragmatism should rule the day. They can't walk into secured premises like that. Banks, airports, shopping malls, train & bus stations- Nada.

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Ditto!

Their country; their rules.

Stirred up a bit of comment did I. :)

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They can't walk into secured premises like that. Banks, airports, shopping malls, train & bus stations- Nada

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Agree but outside of secure areas what gives the government the right to pass laws governing what folks want to wear?

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Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

demanding that other countries relax their cultural values

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Traditional Danish headwear. Go figure.

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Stirred up a bit of comment did I. :)



Agree but outside of secure areas what gives the government the right to pass laws governing what folks want to wear? Traditional Danish headwear. Go figure. https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif

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BULLOX! Transitioning from the absurd, to the absolute sublime, eh? Clearly, Norton, you've never been to Denmark. Don't quit your day-time job, ok? :rofl:

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Stirred up a bit of comment did I.

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Yep you were off base again and deserve the blow back. Women wearing those is about paternal domination and nothing more. Should be illegal in all western nations.

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Clearly, Norton, you've never been to Scandinavia, let alone Denmark

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Never been to Denmark but Norway and Sweden often.

Guess they better ban this culturally insensitive stuff as well. ;)

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Originally Posted by Norton

Guess they better ban this culturally insensitive stuff as well.

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What an absurd parallel. That was used to keep the face warm not as an object of oppression.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

Yep you were off base again and deserve the blow back. Women wearing those is about paternal domination and nothing more. Should be illegal in all western nations.

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Up to the individual woman to sort it out. Wear or not wear should be her choice.
The government should have no right to dictate what folks wear.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. What next? Ban skirts above the knees.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

What an absurd parallel. That was used to keep the face warm not as an object of oppression.

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You seem hung up on this oppression theme. Have you even given a thought that some if not many choose to wear it.

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Originally Posted by Norton

Up to the individual woman to sort it out.

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It is not their choice and if you think so you are beyond naive. Come on Norts...

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Wear or not wear should be her choice.

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.......Tell the patriarch that.

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What next? Ban skirts above the knees.

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Already done in most muslim countries.

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Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Their country; their rules.

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absolutely spot-on^. However, I prefer to view the pragmatic approach as being, "their culture; respectfully their rules", instead. Cheers :)

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Yep you were off base again and deserve the blow back. Women wearing those is about paternal domination and nothing more. Should be illegal in all western nations.

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Ah bullshit. 1 and 3, yes, but if anyone wants to wear any of the others that's their call.

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You seem hung up on this oppression theme. Have you even given a thought that some if not many choose to wear it.

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You should see what some of them wear under the abaya.

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^Damn Jews.

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Damn Jews.

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Top left snot. :)

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Never been to Denmark but Norway and Sweden often.

Guess they better ban this culturally insensitive stuff as well. ;)

https://www.pinterest.com/stagejudit...nish-clothing/

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Norton, please! The Pinterest platform is primarily-based upon the imaginary art forms, known as surrealism. Nice try though. Cheerio!

Hijab or Dupatta are the only acceptable attire to wear for hassle-free clearance, to enter Denmark, at any Port of Entry, anymore. I totally agree with that regulatory standard.

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Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

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I don't think the strude was imaginary, just not used widely in Denmark.

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The exhibition was composed of ‘portraits’ of women wearing the little-known garment mysteriously called ‘Strude’, the existence of which most Danes ignored. This face-mask used to be worn in the past by women living on a small Danish island to protect their faces against the elements.

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Strude, the Danish Burka #ANTHROISLAM - Allegra

Strude ? trinesondergaard.com

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I don't think the strude was imaginary, just not used widely in Denmark. Strude, the Danish Burka #ANTHROISLAM - Allegra

Strude ? trinesondergaard.com

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Again, mixing apples, w/ oranges, eh? I know what the Strude facial attire is used for. The Strude was also used by Danish menfolk, and was standard attire, used by the (Longship-sailing) Viking warriors of the past.

Two totally different intentions, applied by a similar styles. Thus, considering the context of the current topic thread, where could there possibly be a comparison-base, all things being intelligently considered? Sigh!:chitown:

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This face-mask used to be worn in the past by women living on a small Danish island to protect their faces against the elements.

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I wonder if that's not the real origins of head coverings/face veils in all forms. Then later the patriarchal Abrahamic religions turned it into a religious thing.

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I wonder if that's not the real origins of head coverings/face veils in all forms. Then later the patriarchal Abrahamic religions turned it into a religious thing.

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Of course, that's what happened.

Covering the nose and cheekbones with a metal strip too.

This is a massive retrograde step for Denmark in my opinion.

Hmmm...
Danish values.
Must be something special.

And considering they are major purveyors of scandi-noir...

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Originally Posted by Norton

Agree but outside of secure areas

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There are ways to discreetly identify a person or there are ways of demonising a person. I suggest the ability to identify a person visually, passport control whee physical ID is required etc., is a very simple task to accommodate. But that wouldn't solve the anger and frustration people are being made to endure to obey any idiotic law. Not for their/our "safety" but demonisation.

During my visits to the ME I have watched local women covered head to foot when arriving at a restaurant, sit at a table, a waiter bringing a "curtain" to allow them to sit "naked" from the neck up. They seemed to be happy with the "rules".

The "curtain" hid the ladies from their immediate left but from front , back and right, everyone in the restaurant, who could be bothered, could watch every mouthful and her swallowing every morsel down, her long, long, long, throat.

I had been there a month or so.:)

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Originally Posted by TuskegeeBen

"their culture; respectfully their rules",

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I suspect one of their "rules" is freedom of choice as to what religion and customs they obey.

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Methinks pragmatism should rule the day.

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Agreed.

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They can't walk into secured premises like that. Banks, airports, shopping malls, train & bus stations- Nada. But at least it's their choice.

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That's a reasonable compromise. Yet in Muslim majority countries such as Malaysia there are some Malay women who choose to wear the niqab and it seems they are not banned from banks, shopping centres, or airports, bus and rail stations. There doesn't seem to have been that many incidents as a result.

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There doesn't seem to have been that many incidents as a result.

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Because common sense prevails.

Or security simply bars entry.

This is completely different from dictating how people should dress in public, anyway.

No, fuck that.

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Up to the individual woman to sort it out. Wear or not wear should be her choice.
The government should have no right to dictate what folks wear.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it. What next? Ban skirts above the knees.

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Norton, you're just splitting-hairs at this point, and have totally gone-off , on some "foot-stomping" tangent, sir.

FYI ~ Muslim societies will not reciprocate, and accommodate a very basic western nuance like "It's_Miller_Time", for example,

even when the westerners has put their own lives on the line, to defend a Muslim country against a next door country's invasion force, i.e.- Kuwait, 1991.

Norton I have worked with Africa/ ME Muslim womenfolk as colleagues. Perhaps, if you ever have the same opportunity to become so acquainted,

then, no doubt, you would definitely understand the Danish point of view, much better than you currently do. Cheers, and have a pleasant evening, sir. :)

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Police Lineups?

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I sure to the locals they all look different.