The U.K and the E.U - In or out?

The one thing we know for sure is that Prime Minister David Cameron has said it will happen by the end of 2017. The most likely times of the year for referendums are generally May or September, and some people - including, it is said, the prime minister himself - think it should be held as soon as possible. There had been suggestions that it could be held in May 2016, to coincide with elections in Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and London, rather than waiting for 2017 - but the government has ruled that out and June or July 2016 are now seen as most likely.

Don't make much difference when they have it, people are easily manipulated cowards and will be too frightened of change to vote to leave , same as Scotland.
And the stay in mob will have way more cash to spend.

look at how the global warming clowns have got people scared silly because the world might get warmer and there will be less ice and snow ..

like all recent votes, and opinion polls, it will be rigged to appear fair and exciting and will go like this:

Out vote will be ahead by 4%
then a few weeks later it be dead even.
later, Stay in will pull ahead by 2%
On election eve it will be dead even again
votes results comes out - stay in wins easy by 15 % ......

Time to get out.
We still have the strong pound and a pretty good banking/financing system.
Bye bye EU and all the cash the UK has thrown in.

As above spot on

It works for other non-EU European countries, so I'm all for it.

Anything to get rid of those unelected freeloaders ripping us off, demanding we take their dross and expecting us to subsidise Eastern European shitholes.

And preferably do it before they let Turkey in.

Harry your spot on it started with 9 strong counties punching above their weight
And turned into a charity by the liberals
How are the Turks in any like the brits it's a sham

I think the UK will vote to exit which would take about 2 years to complete. Meanwhile the negotiations will restart in earnest, then probably another vote........

Get out while you still can.

The EU and Nato is run by the US.

US plan is to fuck Europe via control of the EU. That's what is causing the ridiculous"migrant" scenario.

Easier for them to control the masses with less command centers.

Fuck 'em.

And fuck every UK lapdog prime minister who bows down to them.

Cameron is a prime example.

Corbyn is the first breath of fresh air in a while.

The US only watch out for themselves and shit on the rest of the world.

Bring war to peaceful nations under false pretenses.

http://academic.evergreen.edu/g/gros...rventions.html

No fvcking brainer- get the fuck out.

The savings that the vote will be sold on will not end up in the tax payers pocket.

Vote out of the EU and watch the minimum wage and other tertiary human rights that go along with membership will go down the toilet.

Take the short term pain for the long term gain.
How is Switzerland doing?
:)

I think the UK would be leaving the EU for all the wrong reasons leading to many of the same problems as well as a few extras. It would be better to work with the EU to solve some fundamental issues rather than walk out in a sulk.

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Originally Posted by Dapper

Take the short term pain for the long term gain.
How is Switzerland doing?
:)

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I hope you aren't expecting me to have any facts to back up my argument?

Course not mate :)

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Originally Posted by Dapper

Course not mate :)

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Excellent!

I say stay in. Provided all EU accounts for the last 20 years are signed off by auditors.
All non elected heads of of EU government positions are replaced by democratically elected persons.
The primacy of UK courts over EU courts is re-established.

Job jobbed all non negotiable.

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Originally Posted by Dapper

Get out while you still can.

The EU and Nato is run by the US.

US plan is to fuck Europe via control of the EU. That's what is causing the ridiculous"migrant" scenario.

Easier for them to control the masses with less command centers.

Fuck 'em.

And fuck every UK lapdog prime minister who bows down to them.

Cameron is a prime example.

Corbyn is the first breath of fresh air in a while.

The US only watch out for themselves and shit on the rest of the world.

Bring war to peaceful nations under false pretenses.

History of U.S. Military Interventions since 1890

No fvcking brainer- get the fuck out.

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Corbyn?

That treacherous muslim pacifist?

Get fucked, we give enough money away as it is.

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I hope not as I want to go and retire in Spain ,, if they do pull out ( and I very much doubt it will happen ) it will mean retiring in shitty cold England ,, but lets not contemplate that one just yet

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Originally Posted by nigelandjan

I hope not as I want to go and retire in Spain ,, if they do pull out ( and I very much doubt it will happen ) it will mean retiring in shitty cold England ,, but lets not contemplate that one just yet

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Why are you under the impression that if the UK left the EU you wouldn't be able to retire in Spain? Do you think the EU will start imposing draconian visa restrictions on Brits visiting or retiring in the EU?? Do you think Spain will kick out the 1 million Brits living in Spain or make it hard for the 20 million who visit Spain every year? Fuk all of any significance will change, worst case scenario is you may end up needing a retirement or residency visa, big deal.

love the irony in this , the pro Europe mob have wheeled out the bank of England chief ,
a man whose only task is to announce interest rates stay the same every month, for which he is paid £879,773 a year ...

If the European union is so successful, then why, out of its 500,000,000 people can't they find anyone able to run the bank, and have employ a Canadian ...

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Mark Carney fears Brexit would leave UK relying on 'kindness of strangers' | Business | The Guardian

Mark Carney fears Brexit would leave UK relying on 'kindness of strangers'

Bank of England chief says Britain’s large current account deficit could be compounded by a worsening global economy ahead of EU referendum

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Carney was careful not to mention the looming in/out referendum but added: “The possibility of a risk premium being attached to UK assets, because of certain developments, exists and that plays into the riskiness of the situation.”

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careful but not that careful...

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Originally Posted by buriramboy

Fuk all of any significance will change, worst case scenario is you may end up needing a retirement or residency visa, big deal.

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You forgot the two main problems

Ownership of property

Healthcare

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Originally Posted by nigelandjan

Ownership of property

Healthcare

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I can not see them being issues, things will carry on as before with reciprocal rights.

As for property anyone can buy anywhere apart from Thailand, in fact the're some good deals in Spain at the moment. Most of the properties that haven't been land grabbed back have devalued by more than 50% through over development and the credit crunch.

The government and media are going to try every trick in the book and then some to keep the U.K in the E.U.

You think the SNP got a rough ride? Wait and see what UKIP and the anti Euro lobby get thrown their way!

And can we vote at the same time to kick the Sweaty Socks out of the UK?

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Originally Posted by Pragmatic

And can we vote at the same time to kick the Sweaty Socks out of the UK?

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They're welcome to go it alone what with the price off oil at it's lowest and the Barnett formulae thrown into the mix.
However, the canny Scots know when their onto a good thing so i'm afraid the the rest off the U.K are stuck with them:UK:

As for the EU....:enough::trainwreck::shtf::buttkick::rocketw hore::mein:

Can't have English sausages,
Raspberry Ripples cannot be called Raspberry Ripples,
Land Rover cannot have side facing occasional rear seats.
et al.

I say the further away from Europe, ruled by a Belgian committee, the better.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Therefore, the only logical way to avoid huge corruption is to have separate society's and nations massively autonomous/independent from each other, with careful thought given to completely de-centralising power globally.

United States Of America
Rotten.
United States Of Europe
Rotten.
What's next?
United States Of Asia?
Let me guess, rotten?
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I have a sneaking suspicion that apathy will win the vote.

Relieve us from the fekking whining Englishmen, the Scots and the Irish can stay as members.

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Originally Posted by Bower

I think the UK will vote to exit which would take about 2 years to complete.

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and then another 10 years to to complete the exit. if we vote to exit.

i don't believe it will happen as it would mean the break-up of the UK.
Scotland will leave. Maybe N.Ireland also.

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Originally Posted by tj916

Time to get out.
We still have the strong pound and a pretty good banking/financing system.
Bye bye EU and all the cash the UK has thrown in.

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This is precisely the sort of drivel that seems to sustain the lower end as they blunder their way through to make a decision on matters they clearly ill-comprehend.

The day the UK votes to quit the EU in toto would see the £ fall by at least 30%. Period. Certainly it will be way less than the Euro and may just fall to parity with the US $ but most likely less.

Dumb as a troop of retarded bonobo apes with their brains trepanned through their nostrils.

The UK would of course cease to exist in its current state because Scotland would demand, and get, an immediate referendum to quit which would most undoubtedly be the decision this time around given their near universal demand to remain within the EU.

N.Ireland couldn't remain and unification would be an almost certainty.

The British electorate are not the brightest in the world and scarcely better than Alabama fuckwits. They seem to think that free trade would remain an option with the EU as a matter of right and that a departure would end migration but the truth of the matter is that most states would make unfettered trade utterly conditional upon freedom of movement.

The week before the Scots went to the polls a survey indicated that a majority would vote to quit the Union. That very day the £ fell by nearly 8%.

Quitting the EU would be equivalent to the banking crash in economic terms and the fallout quite dreadful. And for what? So that the Tory right - wing can exploit the working man without any interference from Brussels?

Britain by itself in the world would be utter shite not least because the country is host to a significant minority of welfare trash and the work ethic is pitiful.

Strong £ and a good banking system??? You're a fucking idiot. £800 billion QE to bail them out, the total collapse of the Halifax Bank and a state takeover of RBS? Total moron.

^ So what would be the best course of action for the UK in the medium-term (10-20 years) in your opinion?

Particularly regarding succeeding power (to the EU), and yearly immigration quotas (in the current crazy climate of mass global movement)

Iceland seem to do well out of EU and

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Iceland is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), a grouping of four non-EU European countries, and is also part of the European Economic Area (EEA).

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So why can't the Uk have similar agreements ?
After all we buy more from Europe than we sell ..

Its just fear that's stopping us leaving, same thing that's preventing us fixing the housing bubble mess, or the bankers grip

Spot on Blue

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Originally Posted by blue

So why can't the Uk have similar agreements ? After all we buy more from Europe than we sell ..

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Of course you do, you are not different from us others when it comes to craving quality products.

Cametwat never expected to get a majority in the election.
He was expecting to blame it on the Lib Dems why there couldn't be a referendum. Now he's fukked, bring it on !

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Tory right-wing can exploit the working man without any interference from Brussels?

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and anyone not adding to production would be quietly put in the bin.

Even if Cametoosoon got his way with a 4 yr ban on welfare for foreigners,
wouldn't the same apply to Brits going the other way ?
Also restrictions on how much you'd be allowed to take out if you left the country to find work elsewhere.

Anyway, free trade agreements would need to have free movement of people in Europe.

I hope the euro leaders tell cametoosoon to get lost. mean fecker he is.
Can't have one without the other.

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

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Originally Posted by tj916

Time to get out.
We still have the strong pound and a pretty good banking/financing system.
Bye bye EU and all the cash the UK has thrown in.

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This is precisely the sort of drivel that seems to sustain the lower end as they blunder their way through to make a decision on matters they clearly ill-comprehend.

The day the UK votes to quit the EU in toto would see the £ fall by at least 30%. Period. Certainly it will be way less than the Euro and may just fall to parity with the US $ but most likely less.

Dumb as a troop of retarded bonobo apes with their brains trepanned through their nostrils.

The UK would of course cease to exist in its current state because Scotland would demand, and get, an immediate referendum to quit which would most undoubtedly be the decision this time around given their near universal demand to remain within the EU.

N.Ireland couldn't remain and unification would be an almost certainty.

The British electorate are not the brightest in the world and scarcely better than Alabama fuckwits. They seem to think that free trade would remain an option with the EU as a matter of right and that a departure would end migration but the truth of the matter is that most states would make unfettered trade utterly conditional upon freedom of movement.

The week before the Scots went to the polls a survey indicated that a majority would vote to quit the Union. That very day the £ fell by nearly 8%.

Quitting the EU would be equivalent to the banking crash in economic terms and the fallout quite dreadful. And for what? So that the Tory right - wing can exploit the working man without any interference from Brussels?

Britain by itself in the world would be utter shite not least because the country is host to a significant minority of welfare trash and the work ethic is pitiful.

Strong £ and a good banking system??? You're a fucking idiot. £800 billion QE to bail them out, the total collapse of the Halifax Bank and a state takeover of RBS? Total moron.

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Do you really believe what you have just written??
Do you think Scotland will want to leave the UK with Brent at $30 a barrel.
Do you want to live next door to the thousands of Turks that will be here as soon as they get in the EU?

You are the, and I quote,fucking idiot.

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The day the UK votes to quit the EU in toto would see the £ fall by at least 30%. Period. Certainly it will be way less than the Euro and may just fall to parity with the US $ but most likely less.

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The UK would of course cease to exist in its current state because Scotland would demand, and get, an immediate referendum to quit which would most undoubtedly be the decision this time around given their near universal demand to remain within the EU.

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Quitting the EU would be equivalent to the banking crash in economic terms and the fallout quite dreadful.

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Barclays has put forward a different view, which will be seen as positive by those advocating a vote to leave. It reckons the departure of one of the union's most powerful economies would hit its finances and also boost populist anti-EU movements in other countries. This would open a "Pandora's box" that could lead to the "collapse of the European project".

In this event, the UK could be seen as a safe haven from those risks, attracting investors, boosting the pound and reducing the risk that Scotland would "leave the relative safety of the UK for an increasingly uncertain EU".

EU referendum: the pros and cons of a Brexit from the EU | EU referendum news | The Week UK

On the plus side, The Economist says Britain would also be able to claim back its territorial fishing waters, scrap caps on limits to the number of hours people can work per week, free itself from the EU's renewable energy drive and create a freer economic market. This would turn London into a "freewheeling hub for emerging-market finance – a sort of Singapore on steroids", it says.

Britain could follow the lead of Norway, which has access to the single market but is not bound by EU laws on areas such as agriculture, justice and home affairs.

Just think for a second about all that has happened. Unemployment rates across the Eurozone have remained stubbornly fixed at above 10 per cent. A major refugee crisis has erupted inside the borders of the EU. The Paris attacks will, for many voters, have underscored an association between refugees and threats to security. Then there are the record high levels of net migration into Britain, accompanied by record high levels of public concern over immigration. And there is lots of research which shows how these identity concerns should be fuelling support for Leave. Not to mention David Cameron’s renegotiation that has been presented widely as a damp lettuce.:):UK:

The pound will fall 30% will it?
...and why's that? because corporation tax is lower and bureaucracy is reduced, making it quicker, simpler, and more profitable for companies to base themselves in London, next to the global financial centre, and the world's most educated and culturally significant city?

Imagine the pound did fall 30%, then surely British exports would be cheaper, whilst still being the same quality, and thus better value, no?
Surely exports would increase, because they are cheaper, and the current account deficit would be improved, and the country would enter a period of growth, given that everyone could see that there was at least 30% of value to be recouped.
Say the economy managed about 5% a year, then you could say that the correction you describe would lead to 6 years of growth, and a health clear out of overvalued assets, and bad debts, so a temporary increase in insolvencies. Consumers would buy local more, because of the weaker currency, so add that to the growth out of the correction.

Every scenario can be responded to by policy - if anything, this shock would lead to the UK become more capitalist than the EU, and benefiting in the longer term.

Unlike the Euro, the pound is a real currency, that is not under threat of implosion. The Euro is such a demonstrably bad idea that it cannot ever work properly and compete with a proper currency of a proper country.

Scotland would not get an immediate referendum, even if it demanded one, as has been pointed out, the flight of investment from Scotland to England would be biblical... oil at rock bottom, under no control of the Scots, and the infrastructure not owned by them either. They would be hostage to it - and binding themselves to the disaster of the Euro, would result in another Greece... assuming of course that the EU would let them join... the legal uncertainty over Scottish membership and oil rights would screw them in terms of investment. The EU states don't want a precedent that could result in bits of France and Spain trying to secede.

N. Ireland unification a certainty?! That one just really does show how little, as an American, you understand about Ireland. That would be about as likely as Israel and Iran unifying.

You seem to think that the EU is some kind of trading behemoth that the UK is dependent on, it really is the other way around.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...sche-Bank.html

You'll have read about the veracity of surveys and polls in the UK last year... political polls come on rolls nowadays. Even the EU polls tell two different stories depending on whether its a phone poll or an online poll, and on which polling company you follow - no useful pattern at all, other than the margin of error is so wide as to render them useless. Anyway, people can say what they want in a poll, but come election day when they think about their mortgage, it's a different story - people tend to vote for economic competence above all things in the UK.
The pound fell on the day you mention because of protracted uncertainty, not because of the direction of a specific vote.

"equivalent of the banking crash" - grand terms, but what you'll need is evidence.

If you think the Tories are "right wing" you really are deluded... even the Democrats can't get a whiff of an NHS, but the Tories certainly ain't scrapping it, and gay marriage - how right wing is that?! The Tories are subsidising homebuy schemes, they are more left-wing in every sense than even previous Labour leaderships - which is why Labour has elected crypto-communists as leaders to try and seem more left-wing than the left-wing Tories!

£800BN is nothing on the scale of things, genius. Banks come and go, but even Gordon Brown couldn't destroy the British economy - though god knows he gave it his best shot!

Cameron's hopes of early EU referendum recede after talks with Tusk

PM and European council president fail to reach deal over renegotiation of Britain’s relationship with EU before crucial summit

David Cameron’s preferred option of an early referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU edged further away after he failed to broker a deal with the president of the European council, Donald Tusk.

The two men had hoped to finalise a renegotiation of Britain’s relationship with Brussels over dinner at Downing Street so that it could be put to other EU leaders on Monday ahead of a crucial summit in less than three weeks.

An early deal would allow Cameron to call a referendum on the UK’s EU membership before the summer.

But a Downing Street source said that none of the four key areas under negotiation have been agreed. Instead, further negotiations will be left to diplomats or “sherpas” in Brussels on Monday, in the hope that a deal will be put to EU member states on Tuesday.

The four key areas which they hoped to agree upon were the protection of the single market for non-euro countries; a deal on competitiveness by setting a target for the reduction of the “burden” of red tape; an exemption for Britain from “ever-closer union”; and restrictions on EU migrants’ access to in-work benefits such as tax credits.

Cameron's hopes of early EU referendum recede after talks with Tusk | Politics | The Guardian