BREAKING: South Korea Defense Ministry says rival Koreas trading artillery fire on their border @AP
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BREAKING: South Korea Defense Ministry says rival Koreas trading artillery fire on their border @AP
yeah, happened before. This is not twitter.
North And South Korea 'Trade Artillery Fire'
North Korea has fired a shell across the border into South Korea, prompting Seoul to respond with artillery fire, acccording to reports.
The North is believed to have been aiming at a loudspeaker that has been blaring anti-Pyongyang broadcasts recently, South Korean media said.
In response, South Korea fired tens of 155mm artillery rounds at the location where the shell came from, the country's defence ministry said.
KBS News, which is state-run, quoted a South Korean military official as saying that North Korea opened fire at around 4pm local time (7pm GMT) on the western front.
Yonhap said the shots did not cause any apparent damage and that there has been no response from Pyongyang to the artillery fire.
Soyth Korea's defence ministry said surveillance equipment detected the trajectories of suspected rockets and that it is investigating the incident.
"Our military has stepped up monitoring and is closely watching North Korean military movements," the ministry said in a statement.
North Korea had promised to retaliate against the broadcasts, which criticise alleged provocations from Pyongyang and praising South Korea's democracy.
Seoul started the broadcasts after claiming the North had laid land mines that maimed two of its soldiers.
North And South Korea 'Trade Artillery Fire'
This could escalate...
Well then they better stop it>Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
Seems simple to me. Provoke your neighbor then complain when he climbs over the fence and punches you.
Seems the best policy would be, wherever possible, ignore the North.
Or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
And the ROK [and their US puppet masters] have a saintly side and history....of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by VocalNeal
Could you enlighten us then on the real history?Quote:
Originally Posted by thaimeme
If the North was being blasted with non-stop K-Pop I could sympathize with their shelling of the South, but what's a little propaganda?
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Originally Posted by harrybarracudaOr not.Quote:
Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
S.Korea are going to play Meatloaf's greatest hits instead :) N.Korea are already considering surrender.
It must be election time...
There are far more constructive forms of propaganda warfare:
South Korea
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North Korea
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How much are flights to Pyongyang these days.? :la:
Fargit. Yes. That could revive ye olde bones.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainNemo
Does NK have a retirement visa?
N Korea Orders Military To Be 'Ready For War'
Kim Jong-Un reportedly tells his forces to prepare for military action as tensions continue to rise on the Korean Peninsula.
North Korea's leader has ordered its military to be fully ready for war, according to a South Korean news agency.
It comes after Seoul said North Korea fired a shell across the border into South Korea, which responded with multiple rounds of artillery fire.
Kim Jong-Un declared a "quasi-state of war" after convening an emergency meeting of the communist country's military leaders, Yonhap reported North Korean TV as saying.
The North had earlier threatened military action if the South continued pumping propaganda into the North across the border using loud speakers.
Anti-Pyongyang statements have been broadcast across the frontier in recently.
The North is believed to have been aiming the shell at one of the loudspeakers.
The suspected projectile landed in an area of the demilitarised zone (DMZ) around 35 miles (60km) north of Seoul.
In response, South Korea fired tens of 155mm artillery rounds at the location where the shell came from, the country's defence ministry said.
There were no reports of any injuries on either side of the border.
North Korea denied provoking the exchange of fire, accusing Seoul of using what it called a "nonexistent pretext".
North Korean Central Television said: "Commanders of the Korean People's Army were hastily dispatched to the front-line troops to command military operations to destroy psychological warfare tools if the enemy does not stop the propaganda broadcast within 48 hours and prepare against the enemy's possible counteractions."
The United States expressed concern about the situation and urged the communist nation to refrain from threatening regional security.
US State Department spokeswoman Katrina Adams told Yonhap: "The United States is concerned by the DPRK's (North Korea) firing of a projectile into the ROK (South Korea).
"The United States remains steadfast in its commitments to the defense and its allies, and will continue to coordinate closely with the ROK."
The US Department of Defence said it was monitoring the Korean Peninsula closely and the UN said it was following tensions "with serious concern".
About 28,500 American troops remain stationed in South Korea, with the US having retained bases following the end of the Korean War in 1953.
The three-year Korean conflict was ended by a ceasefire, rather than a peace treaty, technically maintaining a state of war.
South Korea said it would take preemptive action if required to stabilise its markets during the heightened tensions.
N Korea Orders Military To Be 'Ready For War'
Is Kim putting up his dukes or will he go back into his hole like a squirming dog ?
Getting really heated now.
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About 4.5 hours left, what will crazy Kim do. He is lonely and scared and that might be the trigger.
North Korea brings artillery weapons inside DMZQuote:
North Korea brings artillery weapons inside DMZ
North Korea has set up its artillery weapons inside the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) in its efforts to stop South Korea's broadcasting propaganda against the North.
The North reportedly brought 76.2-millimeter artillery guns into the DMZ and positioned more military units behind on Saturday, according to Yonhap News Agency. The guns are supposedly the same weapons the North recently used in its preemptive strikes at the South's western border regions in Thursday afternoon.
The North's regrouping of the artillery guns inside the DMZ is a clear violation of the armistice and their non-aggression agreement, the source said. The North has been keeping the weapons outside the DMZ until now.
The South has been monitoring the North's movement of its military units as the North demanded the South stop the psyop propaganda using loudspeakers before 5:00 p.m. Saturday.
it's past five pm now,but not sure what the time zone is at the moment:rolleyes:
What's wrong with these Koreas?Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff
War or military intervention doesn't benefit either one.
Saber rattling for half-a-century only benefits the elites.
Brothers and sisters of the same culture almost practice the same forced upon political philosophies - as there really hasn't been much difference between the respective ruling elite and their sorted repressive and corrupt manner.
North, South Korea officials meet at DMZ in bid to ease tension
Top aides to the leaders of North and South Korea held talks at the Panmunjom truce village straddling their border late on Saturday, raising hopes for an end to a standoff that put the rivals on the brink of armed conflict.
The meeting at the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ) village, known for its sky-blue huts and grim-faced soldiers, began soon after the deadline for North Korea's previously set ultimatum demanding that the South halt its loudspeaker propaganda broadcasts along the border or face military action.
That deadline passed without any reported incidents.
The negotiations continued after roughly three hours, according to the South's Unification Ministry.
More North, South Korea officials meet at DMZ in bid to ease tension | Reuters
What a retarded comment to make, Jeff. There's plenty of difference between how N.Korea is ruled compared to South.Quote:
Originally Posted by thaimemeWhat's wrong with these Koreas?Quote:
Originally Posted by spliff
War or military intervention doesn't benefit either one.
Saber rattling for half-a-century only benefits the elites.
Brothers and sisters of the same culture almost practice the same forced upon political philosophies - as there really hasn't been much difference between the respective ruling elite and their sorted repressive and corrupt manner.
Perhaps Jeff would like to start a thread on the similarities between the two governments.....or not cause he doesn't have a clue about most of what he posts about.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingwilly
Please, fuck off Jeff.
North, South Korea Talks Stretch Late
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SEOUL—
North and South Korean officials resumed marathon talks Sunday afternoon and continued deep into the night in an urgent bid to avert war on the peninsula.
Initial talks that began Saturday were adjourned 10 hours later in the early hours of Sunday.
Officials have not publicly commented on the discussions, and there is no word on whether the negotiations are making any progress, or how long they will continue.
However, as the talks started up again Sunday, South Korea reported unusual troop and submarine movement in the North.
Pyongyang has moved 70 percent of its submarines away from their bases and the vessels are now undetectable, according to South Korea's Defense Ministry. A ministry spokesman characterized the movement as "unprecedented."
The North has also doubled its frontline artillery strength at the border with the South, according to South Korea.
"It seems that the North is pursuing dialogue on the one side and preparing for battle on another side," a South Korean Defense Ministry official said.
Panmunjom talks
The high-level meetings are taking place at the Panmunjom truce village despite a deadline set by Pyongyang, which had threatened military action unless Seoul ended propaganda broadcasts into the communist North and removed banks of loudspeakers it has installed along the border.
The deadline passed without incident – and without the loudspeakers' removal – and the talks began 90 minutes later, at 6 p.m. local time (0900 UTC).
In Washington, White House officials said President Barack Obama has been kept up to date on the situation in the Korean Peninsula.
"As the State Department has said," a spokesman commented, "we remain steadfast in our commitment to our alliance with South Korea, with whom we will continue to coordinate closely."
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Even without concrete results, analysts say the talks have delayed any further military activity and given the two Koreas added time to look for a peaceful end to the current crisis.
South Korea’s Foreign Ministry has said it will not end its cross-border audio broadcasts into the North until Pyongyang takes responsibility for recent attacks, punishes those responsible and takes action to prevent further provocations.
Military standoff
Despite the high level dialogue, the potential for escalation or miscalculation remains, since both sides are in a state of maximum defense preparedness, ready for the possibility of a major military confrontation.
A landmine explosion in the DMZ that wounded two South Korean soldiers on August 4 triggered the current crisis. Seoul accused Pyongyang of planting the explosive devices and restarted cross-border broadcasts denouncing North Korea for the first time in over 10 years.
On Thursday the North attacked a loudspeaker tower in the DMZ with artillery shells, and the South responded with multiple rounds of artillery fire. No damages or casualties were reported, and the North has disclaimed any involvement in either incident.
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"Our military and people are prepared to risk an all-out war," North Korea's Foreign Ministry announced Saturday, "not just to simply respond or retaliate, but to defend the system our people chose."
South Korean President Park Geun-hye's met with her National Security Council and also increased South Korea’s defense posture.
"We are closely monitoring the situation," presidential spokesman Min Kyung-wook said Saturday. "We are ready to strongly respond to any North Korean provocations."
The two countries have technically been at war since their 1950s conflict, which never officially ended in a peace treaty.
No backing down
South Korea’s Defense Ministry said Saturday its policy is to respond proportionally to any North Korean provocation so as to demonstrate resolve and deterrence without escalating the conflict.
Seoul has 11 loudspeaker towers stationed across the long inter-Korean border.
They operate for about 10 hours a day, broadcasting what the South Korean Defense Ministry says is not anti-Pyongyang propaganda, but a mix of fact-based news about the Korean peninsula and the world, weather and popular music.
In another gesture underscoring the current level of tensions, eight South Korean and American fighter jets conducted simulated bombing runs Saturday over South Korean territory as a "show of force" against Pyongyang's threats.
U.S. defense officials say annual drills by American and South Korean military forces were halted temporarily Thursday after the exchanged of artillery fire but have since resumed.
Dangerous game
Saturday’s emergency meeting was the first high-level inter-Korean dialogue since February of 2014.
An emergency meeting in response to a forced crisis underlines a pattern of diplomatic behavior employed by past North Korean leaders Kim Il Sung and his son, Kim Jong Il, who often used provocations and threats to try to extract concessions and aid.
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Residents living in a border village are evacuated to a shelter, just south of the demilitarized zone separating the two Koreas, in Yeoncheon, South Korea, Aug. 22, 2015
During this crisis there has been concern that the young and inexperienced Kim Jong Un would not have the diplomatic skills to engage in such a game of brinksmanship, or a sufficiently firm hold on power to be able to compromise when necessary.
Seoul has also been less willing to offer concessions to Pyongyang under President Park, and its military has been under orders to respond with force, ever since a North Korean artillery attack in 2010 caught the South by surprise and killed four people.
The United Nations, the United States and even the North's key ally, China, have called for calm to reduce the high tensions and potential for further conflict.
North, South Korea Talks Stretch Late
North Korea military has an edge over South, but wouldn't win a war, study finds
A South Korean think tank gave North Korea the edge in the early days of any war with the South because of its numbers and offensive position.
By Jeremy Laurence, Reuters January 4, 2012
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Seoul, South Korea — North Korea's military strategy is superior to the defensive posture of its affluent neighbor to the South, an independent think-tank said on Wednesday, giving Pyongyang the edge in the early days of any war on the divided peninsula.
The Seoul-based Korea Economic Research Institute said in a report that in 2011 North Korea operated a 1.02-million-strong army and a record number of tanks, warships and air defense artillery. Total military personnel strength is 1.2 million.
"The depressing reality is it would not be entirely wrong to say North Korea's military strength is stronger," the institute said.
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"We need to remember that the North is far superior in terms of the number of troops, and especially the North's military is structured in its formation and deployment with the purpose of an offensive war."
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South Korea's armed forces number nearly 700,000, and they are backed by about 28,000 US troops.
But analysts say that even though the North's army far outnumbers the combined South Korean and US troop levels, the North's forces would stand no chance of winning a war because their equipment was vastly inferior.
Experts say that while the North might have the early edge in any war, US and South Korean air power alone would quickly turn the advantage their way.
The two Koreas are still technically at war having signed only an armistice to end the 1950-53 Korean War.
Offense best form of defense
Less than a month after the reclusive state's leader Kim Jong-il died, North Korea has made it clear its top priority is maintaining a songun, or military-first, policy whereby the army takes precedence over everything else.
The institute's report called for Seoul to hit back hard against any strike by the North.
"The only way to deter a pre-emptive attack by the North is to make it clear that the South Korean forces will assume it is a precursor to a full-out war and strike back regardless of the nature of the aggression, even if it is a small-scale regional guerilla war."
While the North has fewer combat aircraft than in 1986, its air power has been boosted by top-class MiG-29 fighter jets since the 1990s, the institute said. It also said there have notable increase in the number of submarines.
But experts say most of the North's naval and air force equipment are aged, and that its low fuel supplies mean it would be unable to sustain a long military operation.
Most of the impoverished North's finances are used to develop its programs to build weapons of mass destruction.
The North has come under international sanctions since 2006 for testing nuclear devices and long-range missiles. In late 2010, it unveiled a uranium enrichment facility, which has opened a second route to make an atomic bomb along with its plutonium program.
"Provocation"
Analysts say that the young and inexperienced new leader, Kim Jong-un, who is heading a third generation of dynastic rule in the North, will stick to his father's militaristic approach.
They say he could take action, such as a military attack or more nuclear or missile tests, to burnish his credentials as an iron-fisted leader in the same mould as his father and grandfather.
The North has threatened to turn the South's capital, Seoul, into a "sea of fire" on numerous occasions and repeated that rhetoric again last week.
North Korea has a long history of using bellicose language against the South, especially since the conservative government of Lee Myung-bak took office in 2008 and ended a policy of engagement with the North.
The South's Defense Ministry said on Wednesday it would sign a joint operational plan with Washington this month to counter potential aggression, and increase the number of joint exercises with US forces.
The ministry said this move was part of efforts to stay alert and guard against North Korean threats.
"The threat of provocation by North Korea remains a constant possibility as Kim Jong-un moves ahead with building his regime," it said in a report to the president.
"Our military will annihilate the enemy's will to mount repeat aggression by striking back sufficiently against the source of the threat and any supporting element until the enemy threat is completely removed."
The North has in the past lashed out against joint US-South Korean drills, saying they themselves are a provocation and are a tantamount to practice for an invasion.
Seoul has revamped its defenses since 50 South Korean soldiers were killed in two separate attacks in 2010.
It has boosted artillery defenses on west coast islands where the attacks took place, and changed its combat rules permitting tougher retaliatory responses.
South Korea increased military spending by 5 percent to 33 trillion won in the 2012 budget.
North Korea military has an edge over South, but wouldn't win a war, study finds - CSMonitor.com
Little Kim must be pulling his hair. Setting deadlines that nobody obeys.
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The high-level meetings are taking place at the Panmunjom truce village despite a deadline set by Pyongyang, which had threatened military action unless Seoul ended propaganda broadcasts into the communist North and removed banks of loudspeakers it has installed along the border.
The South is now demanding an apology from the North.
Koreas Agree to Ease Latest Spike in Tensions
SEOUL—
South Korea agreed Tuesday to halt propaganda broadcasts into North Korea after Pyongyang expressed "regret" about a recent land-mine explosion that maimed two soldiers from the South.
The agreement, reached after 30 hours of tense negotiations, defused the latest confrontation on the Korean peninsula that had threatened to turn into a military confrontation.
South Korean presidential security adviser Kim Kwan-jin said the two Koreas also agreed to hold talks soon, either in Seoul or Pyongyang, about improving ties, 62 years after they ended the Korean War with a truce, not a peace treaty. The two sides said they will resume reunions in September for families separated by the Cold War-era conflict.
The United States, a staunch ally of South Korea, welcomed the agreement and said it hoped tensions on the Korean peninsula will be diminished.
more Koreas Agree to Ease Latest Spike in Tensions
Kim's foot stomping and threats win the day again. All good until his next demand. Folding on this issue simply reinforces and ensures a repeat.Quote:
Originally Posted by misskit
It'll be slow progress today, we're all off work because of a cyclone.