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I have never heard of him.
Can you start it off Milky?
Well, I already did start if off. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon
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Notice that he's....Mo'mon.
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BornMarch 12, 1947
Detroit, MichiganPolitical partyRepublicanSpouseAnn RomneyProfessionBusinessmanReligionThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon)
Here's a generic wiki bio: Mitt Romney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
His name and movie star looks strike me as quite presidential.
:)
How's that?
Yes, next candidate please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
this guy is completely unelectable.
1. he's a religious nut.
2. his waffling puts bill clinton to shame.
NEXT!
Isn't that a pre-requisite?Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
I agree with point #2 but what makes him a religious nut?Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
So what he's a Morman? John Kennedy was elected as a Roman Catholic?
Heard part of his speech yesterday. Very typical and safe political rhetoric. Pure vanilla candidate.
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But moderate Republicans aren't the ones who could derail a Romney candidacy. His obstacle is the evangelical base--a voting bloc that now makes up 30 percent of the Republican electorate and that wields particular influence in primary states like South Carolina and Virginia. Just as it is hard to overestimate the importance of evangelicalism in the modern Republican Party, it is nearly impossible to overemphasize the problem evangelicals have with Mormonism. Evangelicals don't have the same vague anti-LDS prejudice that some Americans do. For them it's a doctrinal thing, based on very specific theological disputes that can't be overcome by personality or charm or even shared positions on social issues. Romney's journalistic boosters either don't understand these doctrinal issues or try to sidestep them. But ignoring them won't make them go away. To evangelicals, Mormonism isn't just another religion. It's a cult.
"Mitt Romney's Evangelical Problem" by Amy SullivanQuote:
In 2004, Mormons were specifically excluded from participation in the National Day of Prayer organized by Shirley Dobson (wife of James Dobson, leader of the conservative Christian organization Focus on the Family) because their theology was found to be incompatible with Christian beliefs.
Religious zealots and.....
Entire: GOP candidate Romney defends religion in Villages - Orlando Sentinel : Lake County News GOP candidate Romney defends religion in Villages - Orlando Sentinel : Lake County NewsQuote:
VILLAGES -- Before former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney could tout his conservative credentials Friday in this tri-county hotbed of Republicanism, he first had to defend his religious background as he begins the long road toward the 2008 GOP presidential nomination....
However, some political pundits have questioned whether fundamental Christians would take issue with his beliefs. Romney has changed his mind in the abortion debate -- he supported abortion rights until about two years ago, and now says he opposes abortion.
the pastor in chief line will work well with moderates, but 'one family of humanity' is not going to sway skeptical southern baptists.Quote:
Feb. 18, 2007 — Republican presidential candidate and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, together with his wife Ann, faced up to questions about their political, religious, and private journeys in an interview with ABC News' chief Washington correspondent George Stephanopoulos on Friday.
"I'm not running for pastor-in-chief. I'm running for commander-in-chief," Romney said, dismissing concerns about the influence of his Mormon faith on his politics. "If I'm lucky enough to be elected president of this country and I take that oath of office, there will be no higher promise than to abide by the Constitution and the rule of law."
In light of speculation among political analysts as to whether his Mormonism will alienate the Evangelical vote, the former governor highlighted common values and beliefs shared by all religions.
"I think we are, if you will, one family of humanity," Romney said, in what appeared to be an attempt to reach out to voters suspicious of his religious affiliation.
and it is this type of thing that is going to sink him if he ever gets through to the general election.....
missouri? my money was on kansas.Quote:
While discussing the Mormon faith, Stephanopoulos asked Romney how Muslims might view the Mormon doctrine that teaches that Jesus will probably return to the United States and reign on earth for 1,000 years. Romney responded by saying "that doesn't happen to be a doctrine of my church."
"Our belief is just as it says in the Bible, that the messiah will come to Jerusalem, stand on the Mount of Olives, and that the Mount of Olives will be the place for the great gathering and so forth," he said.
But when contacted by ABC News for a clarification of Mormon theology, a church spokesperson said the Mormon Church does teach, in part, that Jesus will someday return to North America.
"We believe that Christ will return again to the Earth, and while that day is not imminent, it is our responsibility to prepare for that eventuality. One appearance will be to the new Jerusalem and another will be to the Jerusalem of the old world," said spokesperson Michael Purdy. "It is our belief that the new Jerusalem will be established within the state of Missouri."
ABC News: Romney: 'I'm Not Running for Pastor-In-Chief'
Romney's campaign will be interesting, no doubt. Part of the debate with the religious right will be the continued question of whether the LDS are a "Christian" denomination. LDS says yes, many say no.
I'm a liberal Democrat, but what I find the most appealing about Romney is the health-care solution put in place in Massachusetts. It may not be perfect, but at least the state was attempting to do something, while other states are sitting back and waiting for the federals to come up with something (and that's a guarantee that no one will like or agree to the solution). And the Massachusetts healthcare plan puts the onus for coverage where it belongs -- with the employers.
As to the rest, sorry -- can't handle the Republican platform that all the candidates assume they must jump onto (pro-life, etc.). Can't wait to see how Giuliani handles that.
i don't see how any of these guys (mccain, guiliani (sp?), romney) are going to get through the primaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by LesBonsTemps
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Originally Posted by raycarey
But the part is....it's a situation that the Demos have experienced for too long....
There isn't anybody who grabs the populace. :D
Not since Robert Kennedy in 1968. Even the normally disaffected urban Blacks treated him like a rock star.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman
Nest Gingrich had a great comment on the Sunday morning talk shows yesterday -- said that all the candidates were out campaigning WAY too soon, and they would "end up looking like an episode of Campaign Survivor" -- who can outplay, outwit and outlast the others?
Mitt Romney turned in another steller performance tonight during the Republican Debates.
All agree that he was the clear winner this round too although he hasn't sold me.
Ron Paul won the debate hands-down. He was the only guy who could logically tie his political views to traditional conservative thought. Romney has the look, the sincerity and the depth of a T.V. gameshow host.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
Booners, you're right about Romney having a good night, but Dr. Paul did amazingly well (note warmonger McCain's numbers). According to Fox's own call-in poll:
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You Decide GOP Primary Poll Results
— 29% Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
— 25% Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas
— 19% Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani
— 8% Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
— 5% Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif. Hunter
— 4% Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
— 3% Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
— 1% Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.
— 0% Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore
— 0% Former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson
they're all fighting to get their asses kicked by any dem. nominee (except hillary).Quote:
Originally Posted by LesBonsTemps
i didn't see the debate, and can't be bothered to read a transcript....but i did read that paul said something along the lines of 'america had it coming' in regard to 9/11.Quote:
Originally Posted by floorpotato
and btw, why is romney refusing to release his tax returns?
I think Ron Paul was saying, in effect, that our failed policies in the Middle East led to 9/11 in the same way that out interference in Asia and sanctions led ultimately to Japan attacking us.
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that's not going to play well with republican primary voters.
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No shit...Ron Paul blew his last chance with those statements that 'America had it coming'...
I think we did have it coming. Killing 3,000 people, however, wasn't justified.
The whole line about 'them' hating our 'freedom' is absurd.
Maybe one could now argue that our killing tens of thousands in Iraq makes another 9/11 even more likely.
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I don't believe that this is what the majority of Republican voters like to hear!:D
Would you kindly elaborate on that thought?:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by surasak
^ Be very wary when throwing a boomerang - when it comes back (and it does) it may hit you from an unexpected angle :rolleyes:
The USA was justified in economically strangling a rabidly fascist, expansionist Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack. But supporting corrupt bunker states all over the Middle East since the 1950's is far less prudent behavior by the USA. I don't see such a close parallel (and Dr. Paul probably doesn't either).Quote:
Originally Posted by surasak
When a country intervenes in the internal affairs of other nations the citizens of said country shouldn't be surprised when the wheel comes turning in the other direction.
Expansionist Japan was not our problem (meddling in other nation's affairs is what dragged us into World War II) and the mess in the Middle East today is directly a result of our excessive consumption of one particular resource. It is precisely our oil dollars flowing into that region that give the governments the ability to keep down their people (and that is a large part of what makes them angry with us: ironically, it is about freedom, but, they aren't angry about our freedom). When we use our military and foreign aid to prop up corrupt totalitarian regimes why does it surprise us when incidents such as 9/11 take place?
Frankly we should be thankful it hasn't happened more often.
mitt romney's enlistment eligible sons have rightly become a campaign issue...
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Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Wednesday defended his five sons' decision not to enlist in the military, saying they're showing their support for the country by "helping me get elected."
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Romney's five sons range in age from 37 to 26 and have worked as real estate developers, sports marketers and advertising executives. They are now actively campaigning for their father and have a "Five Brothers" blog on Romney's campaign Web site.
Romney supports Bush's troop increase for now - USATODAY.com
Romney: Sons Serve Country By Campaigning, Presidential Hopeful Defends His Five Sons' Lack Of Military Service - CBS News
Bollocks...Quote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
It all comes down to tham jai khun - they have no desire to join the military, it's up to them. Other folks like Pat Tillman who do desire the 'fight', again, it's up to him. BTW, what's your obsession with the Bush twins anyhow? Cheap, below the belt remarks addressed at them makes you look even stupider...:rolleyes:
don't they understand the 'threat' from the jihadis? hasn't mitt made that clear to them? how can he be qualified to be president if he can't impress upon his own family the perilous times in which we live?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
i just wanted to know if the one who likes to hit the bottle is knocked-up? what's wrong with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boon Mee
It is clearly explained in the Book of Mormon that if the guy treats his missus OK they both get an entire planet to reign over when they die.
He probably figures a few years as POTUS would give useful experience.
And why not ?
There is nothing in US political history which precludes the election of a whack job.
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The good thing about Mitt Romney is Hillary actually make him look good.
He's pretty smooth and ready for prime time unlike Hillary or OBama
Here is an article providing more on the background of Romney. It discusses his Mormon Mission in France in 1968.
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Romney's life took a turn in France
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By David Kirkpatrick
Published: November 14, 2007
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WASHINGTON: In December 1968, Mitt Romney returned home from a Mormon mission in France to find a changed country.
While assassinations, race riots, sit-ins, and marches transformed his generation, Romney was cloistered for more than two years in a strict regimen of prayer and proselytizing. The missionaries were discouraged from indulging in newspapers, radio, television, or phone calls home.
They spent 12 hours a day knocking on doors, often ending up defending the Vietnam War or American race relations against tirades by the French. Romney was so removed from the tumult at home that he was surprised to learn that his father, George Romney, had turned against the war while campaigning for the 1968 Republican presidential nomination.
"There had been this whole revolution while we were gone," recalled Dane McBride, a close friend from the mission. "While we had gone from being adolescents to grown-ups with a lot of responsibility, our peers - from our perspective - were just tearing down the country, becoming dangerously childish." He added, "It just seemed deplorable."
It was the midpoint in a six-year immersion in the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints - first as a missionary and then at the church's Brigham Young University - that in many ways set the conservative course Romney would follow as a businessman, politician and now a candidate for the Republican presidential nomination.
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He left for France a 19-year-old freshman at Stanford, a sheltered child of privilege full of ideas about how to shake up the French mission. He could be goofy, quoting Snoopy or Donald Duck in letters to friends and was considered the free spirit of his crowd, the one who sneaked off to movies (discouraged for missionaries) and ate coq au vin (controversial because of his church's prohibition on alcohol). He was a half-hearted Mormon whose beliefs, as he recalled in an interview, were "based on pretty thin tissue."
Link and Entire: Romney's life took a turn in France - International Herald Tribune
It's official. If the National Review endorses Romney, he's going to be the man.
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^ So,
You think he'll be the nominee?
I think he's definitely in the running. I don't know how much leg, Huckabee has. We'll see.....
Huckabee is the Walter Mondale of the Republican party. The Hildebeast would cream him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milkman