Jatuporn warns reds to be prepared:moves afoot to bring down government

Bangkok Post : Jatuporn warns reds to be prepared

Jatuporn warns reds to be prepared

• Published: 1/09/2011 at 01:28 PM
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Red-shirts throughout should prepare for a new round of struggle because a movement to bring down the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is likely to emerge and go into action after Dec 5, Pheu Thai party list MP and red-shirt core member Jatuporn Prompan said on Thursday.

Mr Jatuporn said in parliament that the information about a movement to topple the government came from the UDD's intelligence network.

The movement involved politicians now in parliament and members of an old power clique. It would coordinate activities aimed at bringing down the government, the same way it had sucessfully toppled the governments of Thaksin Shinawatra, Samak Sundaravej and Somchai Wongsawat.

Leading figures in the movement were the same people who brought down the past governments and the Thai Rak Thai and People Power parties, he said.

According to Mr Jatuporn, information from the red-shirts has never been fabricated and always turned out to be true.

Therefore, all red-shirts from the village to provincial levels were warned to be prepare for another round of struggle.

At the same time, he had warned core Pheu Thai members that the government should fulfill the promises made during the election campaign, including the 300 baht minimum daily wage and 15,000 baht starting salary for bachelor's degree graduates.

Only achievements could help protect the government, he said.

"The situation as we see it now is like a placid lake, awaiting the day for a political tsunami to arise.

"It is obvious that the opposition does not seem to care much about the election defeat, probably because for the past 19 years the Democrat Party has suffered election defeats but still managed to be government twice.

"The movement to bring down the government will begin actions in December," Mr Jatuporn said.

On a number of leading red-shirts taking political posts, Mr Jatuporn said this was not unusual because these people had long worked for the Thai Rak Thai, People Power and Pheu Thai parties.

No matter what positions they held, they were still red-shirts, he added.

This bloke needs to shut up, or at least stop taking what he is taking.
The best step for this new government would be to remove him to an inactive post.

I suppose I can understand red shirt paranoia, but I can't understand why any nefarious element would be so utterly stupid as to try and bring down this elected government, which possesses a very safe absolute majority. Thats suicidal. Logically speaking, the day of the military and judicial coup should be behind Thailand.

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Logically speaking,

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:rofl: In Thailand?

I can think of one person who will not give up without a real fight

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Originally Posted by sabang

Thats suicidal. Logically speaking, the day of the military and judicial coup should be behind Thailand.

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clearly you are joking :)

^^ So can I.

A coup would not surprise me one bit.

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Thats suicidal. Logically speaking, the day of the military and judicial coup should be behind Thailand.

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clearly you are joking :)

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No, he's speaking logically. That could be construed as amounting to the same thing in Thailand. My sense is that a coup is not in the immediate offing, but absolutely cannot be discounted in the near to medium term.

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I suppose I can understand red shirt paranoia, but I can't understand why any nefarious element would be so utterly stupid as to try and bring down this elected government, which possesses a very safe absolute majority. Thats suicidal. Logically speaking, the day of the military and judicial coup should be behind Thailand. _________________

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It might be down to the record of success of nefarious elements in doing these sorts of things successfully and with total impunity in the past, their sense of entitlement, and the bizarre notion they have that they represent goodness and loyalty.

Logic, I think, has little to do with it.

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............... try and bring down this elected government, which possesses a very safe absolute majority.

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so did the thaksin government, but it did not prevent the last coup.

the one thing i learned during my stay in thailand was never to underestimate the unpredictability of the place.

yes, pulling a coup would be a stupid thing to do, but then stupidity has never stopped them before.

...and do not forget who "they" have on their side, which means a coup could be justified with a simple endorsement and back to square one again.

thailand has an army which seems to ignore the fact that they have a duty to support the government of the day (well, in a normal democracy this would be the case), and until this issue is sorted out, the threat of a coup at any time is very real.

See also https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...ml#post1859509 (and following posts) which preceded the OP of the new thread that has been started here for whatever reason.

tulsathit tulsathit

TR [at]WassanaNanuam: Prayuth, asked about Jatuporn's claims of anti-govt conspiracy, gave a contemptuous smile and shook his head.

^How does that differ from his other smile?

Bangkok Post : No conspiracy, says 1st army chief

No conspiracy, says 1st army chief

• Published: 6/09/2011 at 03:48 PM
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The 1st Army chief has rejected claims by red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan, a Pheu Thai list MP, that an unconstitutional power clique is conspiring to bring down the Pheu Thai-led government.

Lt Gen Udomdet Seetabut said Mr Jatuporn was just expressing his personal feelings.

The vocal red-shirt leader has claimed the same power clique behind the removal of the Thaksin government is now plotting the overthrow of the Pheu Thai government.

Lt Gen Udomdet he was ready to carry out all assignments delegated to the 1st Army.

The national army chief himself had said earlier that he would abide by the Yingluck Shinawatra administration's policies.

Lt Gen Udomdet on Tuesday inspected the training of volunteers to the 11th Ranger Division by members of the 1st Division of the King's Guard in Lop Buri province.

After completing training, these men will be deployed to southern border provinces.

They were expected to interact with local people in the feep South and for this reason southern culture was also a part of their training programme, Lt Gen Udomdet said.

^ These junta guys should be one by one before a military court martial and civilian court for murdress activities on the 91 innocent protestors :)

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Bangkok Post : Jatuporn warns reds to be prepared


Jatuporn warns reds to be prepared

• Published: 1/09/2011 at 01:28 PM
• Online news:

Red-shirts throughout should prepare for a new round of struggle because a movement to bring down the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is likely to emerge and go into action after Dec 5, Pheu Thai party list MP and red-shirt core member Jatuporn Prompan said on Thursday.


No matter what positions they held, they were still red-shirts, he added.

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Wonder if half the message was also for yingluck? - don't forget who put you where you are.....

^That to me is the most interesting aspect of the development of Yingluck's administration, not the typical for Thai politics factional reshuffling and dividing of the spoils. I would expect the Norpochor to give the new government time to settle in (and settle scores- TIT), but at some point they will have to either call them to account or be prepared to be viewed correctly as the tools that so many people say they are. I think the base has shown that it has heart, so the issue seems to be what appears to be a leadership vacuum.

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After completing training, these men will be deployed to southern border provinces.

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Yikes, what did they do to deserve that?

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...crisis-looming

Dem MP: Political crisis looming

• Published: 11/09/2011 at 02:34 PM
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The people should be prepared for a new round of political crisis which may occur in six months because the Pheu Thai-led government has abused its power for the benefits of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, Democrat Party deputy spokesman Atthaporn Polabutr said on Sunday.

Mr Atthaporn, a Phetchaburi MP, said the government's power abuses had become unacceptable to the people in society.

They included pressure to win a royal pardon for Thaksin, an attempt to revive the Ratchadapisek land case, unfair transfers of state officials, and appointment of people under serious legal charges to take political positions, he said.

The MP said the government's key policies such as the 300 baht daily minimum wage, the 15,000 baht monthly salary for bachelor's degree graduates, and the paddy mortgage programme were full of flaws and could affect its stability.

Not only that the government would not be able to implement them effectively, these policies would also bring about the problems of inflation and high cost of living, which would seriously affect the people, he said.

The deputy spokesman of the Democrat Party said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, with only the first month in office, had shown her lack of experience, qualifications, visions and leadership.

Ms Yingluck might have made a miracle by becoming prime minister in 49 days of entering politics. But after the election win, that miracle had disappeared.

"The people have begun to wonder whether Thailand now has a prime minister at all or who is the real prime minister," Mr Atthaporn said.

He said that if without a change of the prime minister or of its work objectives, this government would meet growing resistance from various sectors of society.

In six months, the government might have to face a major change or a new round of political crisis, he said.

^ Interesting, depending on how you interpret it. Either it is a Democrat putting his foot firmly in his mouth....or a warning/heads up. However, regardless of the interpretation, it is a ridiculous proclamation. There actually haven't been any "power abuses" yet to any real extent. There may be in the future. There may not be.

Admittedly, things such as the police chiefs transfer leave a bitter taste in the mouth, as the entire casino fiasco was a fabricated pile of twaddle, designed purely to get Pheu Thai's/Thaksin's man in position before he retired (next year wasn't it?). However, as many have said, the actual appointment wasn't wrong, fairly average Thai political meddling it appears, but it was more how inept and farcical the process was that caught my attention. Chalerm created a monster, when none was required.

Anyway, 6 months time this guy suggests, rather outside Jatuporn's stated time-frame. We will see. I'd suggest that a lot needs to happen first for their to be a proper "political crisis", as I doubt there's much public support for it at the moment. An ABAC poll said something and nothing today...I've included it below...

ABAC Poll: Thai less happy with politics and economy : National News Bureau of Thailand

ABAC Poll: Thai less happy with politics and economy


BANGKOK, 11 September 2011 (NNT) - The ABAC Poll indicats that Thais are most happy with the monarchy institution at present, while they are less happy with the political and economic aspects of the country.

A recent survey by Assumption University Research Centre (ABAC Poll) was conducted on the Gross Domestic Happiness (GDH) for Thai people.

Under the first phase of the Yingluck government, the Poll said Thais were less satisfied with politics when compared to the period of the Abhisit government. Over the past month, the Poll added people were not happy with the government’s handling of flood disasters. With the neutral point at 100, the GDH on politics is at 85, which means very unhappy.

People are also not happy with all categories under economy from income, living costs, and the overall economy. The figure stands at 78 points.

The results showed that the gross domestic happiness of the Thai people on the monarchy stands at 163 points, the highest in all categories. Out of three main aspects in the country; society, economy, and politics, the GDH on society is the only positive one, standing at 109 points.

And Mickey Mouse denied that Donald Duck ever said that Atthuporn is a PAD nobody. Allegedly. His previous quotable sound bite that Thaksin should pay for all the reparations for victims of the Crackdown was more scintillating imo.

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Dem MP: Political crisis looming

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yeah, PT is going to fuck it up, what else is new

I can see another legal coup coming,

^^^^
Atthaporn has form as a Dem motormouth. As before, while the Dems were in government, it's more revealing to see to what extent - if at all - Abhisit walks the remarks back. If he's asked about them.....

^^^
Not outside Jatuporn's stated time-frame (whatever one chooses to make of it); the OP states "Red-shirts throughout should prepare for a new round of struggle because a movement to bring down the government of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra is likely to emerge and go into action after Dec 5, Pheu Thai party list MP and red-shirt core member Jatuporn Prompan said on Thursday." Crises don't generally just pop up overnight - more usually they take time to build.


From the blog world.....


https://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordp...sis-in-motion/

Democrat Party and getting a political crisis in motion

September 11, 2011

The Democrat Party has declared that time is up for the Puea Thai Party-led government. In the Bangkok Post, the deputy spokesman of the party that was trounced in the election in early July has declared the new government, officially in place for a month, has had it.

Democrat Party deputy spokesman Atthaporn Polabutr warned that people “should be prepared for a new round of political crisis which may occur in six months because the Pheu Thai-led government has abused its power for the benefits of former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra…”. He claimed that “the government’s power abuses had become unacceptable to the people in society.”

These alleged “abuses” include: “pressure to win a royal pardon for Thaksin, an attempt to revive the Ratchadapisek land case, unfair transfers of state officials, and appointment of people under serious legal charges to take political positions…”. For good measure, he added that “the government’s key policies such as the 300 baht daily minimum wage, the 15,000 baht monthly salary for bachelor’s degree graduates, and the paddy mortgage programme were full of flaws and could affect its stability.”

Finally, Atthaporn called for Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, with only a month in office, to go. Otherwise, “this government would meet growing resistance from various sectors of society.”

Should Atthaporn simply be dismissed as a lunatic who can’t get over the fact that the Democrat Party can never win an election? We don’t think so. There are several reasons for this view.

First, less than a week ago, Puea Thai MP and and red shirt leader Jatuporn Promphan is said to have stated that “an unconstitutional power clique is conspiring to bring down the Pheu Thai-led government.” There can be little doubt that the anti-Thaksin elite are already at work, plotting and scheming.

Second, the Democrat Party has repeatedly shown that it does not respect the electoral process, so no electoral defeat, no matter how large, will be respected.

Third, the Democrat Party has a long history of relying on decidedly undemocratic forces to lift it to government – <snipped>, military, the People’s Alliance for Democracy and backroom elite deals.

Finally, the Democrat Party is drawing on precedent. Thaksin won the biggest ever election victory in February 2005 and yet the military set the tanks rolling just 14 months later following a long period of agitation by anti-Thaksin forces.

For Atthaporn and his party, the election defeat is just a bump in the road, and can soon be overcome with anti-Thaksin propaganda, rhetoric and by getting the yellow-shirted media, intellectuals and organizers in motion.

The big difference is...this time the whole International community is now aware of the dictatorial axis of evil within thaiand, and their murdress activities, and the International community don't like what they now see. :)

And the junta amart now know it to.

If you dare

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The big difference is...this time the whole International community is now aware of the dictatorial axis of evil within thaiand, and their murdress activities, and the International community don't like what they now see. :)

And the junta amart now know it to.

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When has thailand, under whatever "leadership" ever given a flying fuck as to international opinion?

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The big difference is...this time the whole International community is now aware of the dictatorial axis of evil within thaiand, and their murdress activities, and the International community don't like what they now see. :)

And the junta amart now know it to.

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When has thailand, under whatever "leadership" ever given a flying fuck as to international opinion?

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only in LB delusional world, it does