Teakdoor World History and Social Sciences Forum

We really don't have a history forum {per se} within the halls of TD, do we? Sure, we discuss and carry on exchaging historical content in assorted threads and whatnot - but it usually gets lost as a sub-topic or lack of maintenance. Here is our chance to promote a historical-based free for all. Welcomed, would be one's perspective, inquiries, questions, debates, controversies, orthodoxies, cognitive biases and subjectivities, speculation, criticisms, and much more. As I've intergrated a broad Social Science theme to the mix {Archaeology, Anthropology, Literature, Geography, Political Sciences, Economic & Political Studies, Communications, Sociology, etc, etc. All in historic or historiograhic content of course. This should be quite enjoyable, as we have some very bright and insightful members and again have membership that belong to the ridgid convention. Historic content, historic perspective, and historic dispositions have long been debated and discussed. Let's go at it. Have fun and peace to all of you.;)

OK....I'll start it off by exploring a more psychological inquiry by asking: How is history relevent to our lives? Your particular train of thought and reasoning...what historic absorption have you taken to have come to your general opinions regarding most everything? Do we learn from history {or not}? Ignore history?

As long as we are agreed that the materialist interpretation of history and its guiding Maxim "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles" shall be the basis for all ideological work. And all fellow brothers and sisters forthwith recognise the primacy of Marx and Marx Hegelian Dialectial Materialism as the sole unit of legitimate interpretation of history within this forum then the United Peoples Judean Front will wholeheartedly accpet the commrades call to ideological synthesis.


A U.P.J.F Communique



U.P.J.F(Maoist) SPLITIST !!!!

When I look through my History I am always concerned when I see things like

www.dogfuckingamputeemidgetgrannies.com and I can't remember if I liked it or not.

RS been on the waccy baccy again ????? Or simply a symptom of a small stroke?

RS!! go get yourself checked out!!

If there is to be such a forum it should be in Issues so I don't have to think about it

Yup, straight on ignore.

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As long as we are agreed that the materialist interpretation of history and its guiding Maxim "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles" shall be the basis for all ideological work. And all fellow brothers and sisters forthwith recognise the primacy of Marx and Marx Hegelian Dialectial Materialism as the sole unit of legitimate interpretation of history within this forum then the United Peoples Judean Front will wholeheartedly accpet the commrades call to ideological synthesis.


A U.P.J.F Communique



U.P.J.F(Maoist) SPLITIST !!!!

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Are you a Maoist, MD?

Throughout World Systems History, the relevance of the Indian Ocean tends to be overlooked by Eurocentric historian circles. The importance and influence to all world history was greatly benefitted by this magnificent body of water. Briefly, one can explore Indian Ocean: Scholar Voices and Indian Ocean: Cradle of Globalization . The Journal of World-Systems Research can be helpful at JWSR - Archive . The late Dr. Gunder Andre Frank Andre Gunder Frank .- Books, papers, articles, debates on dependency, world system, development, underdevelopment, globalization, US imperialism, ReOrient was inspirational throughout his career challenging the historian establishment. K.N. Chaudhuri; Janet L. Abu-Lughod; Ashin das Gupta; George F. Hourani; and Philip D. Curtain have explored the importance of the ancient Indian Ocean communities on the world and it's maligned history.

"Save Tibet", I'm always hearing. I've got a wee bit of bug up my arse about the seemingly false and hypocrtical visions that some have towards the China in Tibet debate. The well-known American actor Richard Gere {example} comes to mind in where he speaks of a current and desperate situation in Tibet, but don't have a clue about Tibet cultural history {even contemporary}. And less we forget the beloved and hypnotic notion of the Dalai Lama {a shrewd politician}, whose consistent attention getting publicity is shameless and the general politics and human rights issues that surround this topical mandate. Granted, I'm surely not Sino-centric towards my harsh criticisms of the brutal and barbaric happenings in Tibet put upon by the Beijing government. Historic points can be argued 'til kingdom come. But the historic comparative that I use to point out the realities of a better society in contemporary Tibet is twofold. Outside of their general suppression, the Chinese have aided the Tibetan people greatly. For Tibet, a Buddhists Kingdom for centuries, was well into the late 1940s an extreme feudal social system without the wherewithall to change. Serfdom slavery was common place for 85% of the population, where class-divided models were steadfast reflective of Oligarchial nobles and clerics. An extreme down-trodden existence with no chance to escape. When we talk to save Tibet, we need to ask ourselves: Save it from what....??

:sleeping::sleeping::sleeping::sleeping:

Hypothetically, what would the world be like today if the USA didn't intervene into the European theatre of WW2? Extreme inquiry to say the least, for the only reason that the Americans entered the war was purely a self-important one. Saving their future economy and market. If the Yanks held to themselves during that period, what might Europe be like today...??

If one follows cross-cultural literature critique, this site might be of interest. David Ewick of Chuo University {Tokyo} and Tokyo Women's Christian University has painstakingly compiled a heafty tome in bibliographic form. Japonisme, Orientalism, Modernism: A Critical Bibliography of Japan in English-Language Verse

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Hypothetically, what would the world be like today if the USA didn't intervene into the European theatre of WW2? Extreme inquiry to say the least, for the only reason that the Americans entered the war was purely a self-important one. Saving their future economy and market. If the Yanks held to themselves during that period, what might Europe be like today...??

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The Eastern Bloc would have extended to the Atlantic.
No EU.
The USA and Japan wouldn't have been as wealthy without Europe as a trading partner.
The only nuclear powers would have been the USA, USSR and China.
Israel wouldn't exist.
The countries under European colonial rule would have become independent sooner.

I have always wondered what was the origin of the Basque language.

^15^ Yes, That would have to be my guess. We forget about the Russians, whom were already on their way to a future {but grisly} victory of their arch-rivals. Perhaps, they {Moscow} would have made concillatory concessions to Western Europe.

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I have always wondered what was the origin of the Basque language.

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Quite the people they are as well. As ancients might take it, Basque is {more or less} one of the few real native languages of the Iberian region {Spanish and Portugese are not}. This is where the very old Moorish/Berber lingustic relations have been suggested as well {still a theory}. Belonging to the Indo-Euro group - it's suggested that the Basque language is distantly related to the Georgian/Caucasus linguistic families. I believe, for those whom study such things, the origin of Basque is still considered a mystery.

is this a monologue thread ? Can I have mine ? :)

^have you read the milkman thread?

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Serfdom slavery was common place for 85% of the population, where class-divided models were steadfast reflective of Oligarchial nobles and clerics. An extreme down-trodden existence with no chance to escape. When we talk to save Tibet, we need to ask ourselves: Save it from what....??

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I suppose you would use your same argument to give Indochina back to the French? Perhaps give South Africa back to whitey? If you don't see a difference between getting f*cked by a foreign occupier and getting f*cked by our own tribe, then you're ignoring basic human nature. Let's try an analogy: if you father is a drunk and abuses your family, it's bad enough. But if a stranger kicks down the door and does the same thing to your family, it's different. Very different.

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is this a monologue thread ? Can I have mine ? :)

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Not at all Butters. Please, feel free to contribute....you must have some esoteric historical opnions to add. That is what the thread is attempting to promote. {or not}

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Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Serfdom slavery was common place for 85% of the population, where class-divided models were steadfast reflective of Oligarchial nobles and clerics. An extreme down-trodden existence with no chance to escape. When we talk to save Tibet, we need to ask ourselves: Save it from what....??

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I suppose you would use your same argument to give Indochina back to the French? Perhaps give South Africa back to whitey? If you don't see a difference between getting f*cked by a foreign occupier and getting f*cked by our own tribe, then you're ignoring basic human nature. Let's try an analogy: if you father is a drunk and abuses your family, it's bad enough. But if a stranger kicks down the door and does the same thing to your family, it's different. Very different.

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Actually, I don't advocate the Chinese occupation and subsequent barbarities. The point I was attempting to create was the hypocricy that trendy bandwagoners hop on without exploring the historic avenues. Are they not curious to explore the cross-historical implications before going headstrong into a propaganic vision. Alas, one cannot compare one imperialistic situation from the other. I could be in agreement with allowing 'locals' to mind their own civilization from a natural evolvement. Human nature will always be kin to domination and envisioned itself as overlords. Might be healthier to observe in a cyclical type, less a linear one.

A little different spin on conventional historic orthodoxies - please to be open when absorbing such material. Makes for fascinating treaties by challenging the status quo.... SUZAR: Contents:Blacked Out Through Whitewash, by SuZar

It has been said, in particular circles, that the formal promotion of historic education within secondary and university history faculties has a blatant liberal stance. Naturally, one needs to ask how 'liberal' might be defined. This might vary from region to region - as the multi-cultural forum diversity that we are. Nonetheless....what are your educational experiences or observances regarding the teaching of historical content? Or one's own {self-taught} investigations towards how historiography is appraoched? Have we been 'liberally' educated or perhaps been indoctrined into believing so?

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