the real reagan record

republicans and conservatives have been falling all over themselves in the run up to this election harking back to the era of reagan. kind of pathetic that they have to go back more than 20 years in search of something they can feel proud of, but i wonder if they've become as senile as he was.

so, in the interest of setting the record straight, let's take a look at the real reagan record...

* supported amnesty for illegal immigrants in 1986

*signed tax increases into law in 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, and 1987

*as governor of california he signed into law the most liberal abortion law in the US---and by the way, the word 'abortion' is not mentioned a single time in his 700 page autobiography.

*cut and run from beirut after being attacked by hezbollah


California governor | The San Diego Union-Tribune
Bruce Bartlett on Tax Increases & Reagan on NRO Financial
Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


sorry boys, but facts are facts---and selective memory/ revisionism are for AM talk radio and fox news.

Historically, Reagan will be an icon.

Name, off the top of your head, five policies Lincoln had that were memorable.

Name five things Kennedy did.

Reagan is credited with outspending the USSR to bring them to their knees, ending the 50-year-long Cold War. ;)

That's all he'll be remembered for in 50 years, just as Lincoln is remembered for the emancipation proclamation. (and less so the Gettysburg address which wasn't such a proud moment).

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Originally Posted by raycarey

republicans and conservatives have been falling all over themselves in the run up to this election harking back to the era of reagan. kind of pathetic that they have to go back more than 20 years in search of something they can feel proud of, but i wonder if they've become as senile as he was.

so, in the interest of setting the record straight, let's take a look at the real reagan record...

* supported amnesty for illegal immigrants in 1986

*signed tax increases into law in 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, and 1987

*as governor of california he signed into law the most liberal abortion law in the US---and by the way, the word 'abortion' is not mentioned a single time in his 700 page autobiography.

*cut and run from beirut after being attacked by hezbollah


California governor | The San Diego Union-Tribune
Bruce Bartlett on Tax Increases & Reagan on NRO Financial
Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ronald Reagan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


sorry boys, but facts are facts---and selective memory/ revisionism are for AM talk radio and fox news.

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Why would you mention the cut and run part ,that is what you like isn't it?

*Financed the training of death squads in Central America

Shhhhh......he didn't know about it. That was all Ollie North's fault.

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Originally Posted by Texpat

That's all he'll be remembered for in 50 years

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any and all legitimate historical references to reagan will include iran/contra....until recent events, the darkest days in american foreign policy.

US foreign policy in Central America is my biggest beef against the Reagan administration.

The question of 'how much Ronnie knew' is a moot point really- Death squads were being trained by the US military at the School of the America's, then in Panama, now in Georgia. Whilst perhaps not on the scale of Iraq their terror tactics and brutality does have to mark a low point of US foreign policy.

At least in Iraq the public basically know what is happening. In Central America- El Salvador, Nicaragua and Guatemala especially- the US public and foreign community were kept in the dark. Noam Chomsky was about the only one writing about it.

Well, if you want to criticize Reagan's record by referencing CIA and other covert actions, that doesn't hold much water. Those have been ongoing during many administrations. The fact that they were uncovered during Reagan's watch doesn't particularly distinguish Reagan as any worse than any other President in post WWII history, and certainly doesn't diminish the perception that he indeed was one of the most effective Presidents in recent memory.

True.
The overthrow in Iran of the president in the 1950's and the consequent restoration of the monarchy. Orchestrated by the CIA. This led directly to the Islamic Revolution.

The overthrow and assassination of Allende the democraticly elected president of Chile in the 1970's. Sanctioned by the CIA and opened the doors to Pinochet and his brutal regime.

^Yes, precisely.

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Reagan is credited with outspending the USSR to bring them to their knees, ending the 50-year-long Cold War. ;)

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Reagan was one piece in many puzzles, that brought down the USSR.

Most of the implosion of the USSR was internal.

The Pope and Lech Walesa also played a big part in the end of Communism.

^^Yes, this is entirely true. Reagan got more credit than he deserved for uttering "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall."

The USSR couldn't keep up with the US military technical superiority and spending levels, and the economy increasingly suffered under the weight of a badly managed central planning system and inefficient markets. Commercial industries were badly outdated and inefficient. I toured many factories and was appalled at the conditions workers had to endure in 1990/1991 and even later years.

I don't think anybody really understood the extent of the corrosion of that system because of the lack of access to the outside world.

In addition, the old system of client states was simultaneously starting to crumble as they increasingly wanted their independence.

Many things converged at once for the failure of the USSR, including Yeltsin himself.

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Most of the implosion of the USSR was internal.

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some people here won't be able to accept that MM....they prefer the fairy tale.

Thats just Ol Ray talking out his ass again.

But I bet Ronny would have been proud of Bush GW. shit he spending money a lot faster than Ronny ever did, And he outspent every pres. before him,, may make Ronny look bad tho.:)

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Thats just Ol Ray talking out his ass again.

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1. specifically what do you dispute that i've posted on this thread?
2. and since you claim to have me on ignore, how do you know what i've posted?

Ronnie will always be remembered for reducing double-digit inflation. That, and being instrumental in bringing down the Berlin Wall. Sure, all those other factors previously mentioned influenced the wall coming down but it was on Reagan's watch it was achieved.

Also, Reagan will be remembered by this poster for his signature on his sheepskin from UC Santa Barbara! Wouldn't want Jerry Brown's sig...for sure.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ronnie will always be remembered for reducing double-digit inflation.

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That was actually Paul Volcker but thanks for playing,

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That, and being instrumental in bringing down the Berlin Wall. Sure, all those other factors previously mentioned influenced the wall coming down but it was on Reagan's watch it was achieved.

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I wish you could say the same with 911, it was under his watch, so I guess he is partially responsible for it according to your logic above,

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Ronnie will always be remembered for reducing double-digit inflation.

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But still he busted the labor unions, so in turn he also reduced the double-digit income too, and that hurt some folks.

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That, and being instrumental in bringing down the Berlin Wall. Sure, all those other factors previously mentioned influenced the wall coming down but it was on Reagan's watch it was achieved.

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I wish you could say the same with 911, it was under his watch, so I guess he is partially responsible for it according to your logic above,

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'Course he was...nothing to do with Clinton addressing more blowjobs than global issues.

^ Clinton was doing great, as getting a bj is actually relaxing, much better than drinking and snoring coke in the WH like Bush is doing these days,

And he won a war, Kosovo, remember ?

Bush the Coke snoring whore was too drunk to care for the immediate terrorist attack,

when he was president of the film actor's guild he made a secret deal with the aliens that landed at area 51. They promised him star wars technology to fight the evil communists. They lied to him. There was no star wars technology but the aliens were pissed because he acted with a monkey. aliens hate monkeys. They prefer to build pyramids or pretend they're god and speak to dumb americans who will start new religions. 71% of americans believe god had a hand in creating the world. really really stupid race of people