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    The urban myth that Pattaya beach is "dirty"

    I am just trying to clear up some of the urban myth bullshit about how Pattaya beach is loaded with raw sewage from places like The Hilton, The Marriot and Garden Cliff hotels.


    Wouldn't you know it, one of the the biggest project ever planned in Pattaya city is the 1,800 million baht wastewater treatment plant. There are two wastewater treatment plants in Pattaya City.

    What is a waste water treatment plant ? Sewage treatment, or domestic wastewater treatment, is the process of removing contaminants from wastewater and household sewage, both runoff (effluents) and domestic. It includes physical, chemical, and biological processes to remove physical, chemical and biological contaminants.

    Here is a clip from a report on the Royal Cliff resort environmental policies.

    Royal Cliff Beach Resort
    Eight to ten years ago, Pattaya provided a perfect case study of the
    environmental effects of mass tourism. The growing popularity of the beach
    resort in the past few decades resulted in a dramatic surge of commercial
    development, primarily businesses that were in some way related to tourism -
    including hotels, restaurants, shopping plazas, tour companies offering overland
    and water-based activities and not forgetting our own sector – meetings and
    conventions. Without firm regulations in place, the simplest and quickest solution
    often came at the expense of Pattaya's natural environment, including the
    discharge of wastewater directly into the sea.


    Ok, in the mid to late 90's, the beach got dirty. I will give the bashers that. Sure some of the old timer douche bag monger crowd that is getting priced out of Pattaya anyway, is still making noise about a problem that has since been dealt with.

    In late 2000, Pattaya became the first and only resort in Asia to have a fully integrated water treatment system. The opening of the wastewater treatment
    plant and its subsequent operations can be considered one of the most significant
    developments to take place in the city’s history. None would argue that a beach
    resort without clean seawater has little to offer the average holidaymaker. Now
    that water quality has returned to normal, Pattaya can once again boast itself as
    one of the top resort destinations not only in Thailand, but in Asia as well.

    There you have it. First in Asia yet look at the rumors.

    The rehabilitation of Pattaya has been an ongoing project dating back to 1997.
    The board members of The Pattaya Chapter of the Thai Hotel Association (chaired
    by the MD of the Royal Cliff Beach Resort) and Pattaya Business and Tourism
    Association - the two most important tourism-related associations in Pattaya -
    played an instrumental role in rallying the active support and participation of
    private sector businesses. Private sector unity continues to be a fundamental
    success factor in Pattaya's revival and renaissance.

    A free market solution to the problem. The private sector realizes that it is in their interest to keep the beach clean. Sorry LoyToy but I think the city council has bigger players in this then you. Like muti national corporations.

    The campaign has thus far resulted in the development and subsequent operation
    of a large-scale wastewater treatment plant, the creation of natural parks, the
    construction of boat piers, and the all-important regulation and enforcement of
    environmental standards.


    In addition, the Royal Cliff Beach Resort was the first individual business in
    Pattaya to build its very own wastewater treatment facility to combat harmful
    effects of water pollution. Other measures were also taken to make
    environmental concerns a top priority amongst the employees at the resort,
    paving the way for the resort to become the very first in Thailand to achieve the
    ISO 14001 environmental certification


    So this hotel has their water treated before it even hits the water treatment plant.

    What a joke. The city and the hotels are going the extra mile spending money and enforcing standards, yet there is a group of people out there that spread bullshit rumors and crap that actually has a negative effect.

    So there you have it, I don't care what anyone says. I know the old timers and the bashers are going to say that the treatment plant and the standards are all just conspiracy blah blah blah.

    The beach is not dirty, it is safe to swim in and every rumor you here out there is bullshit.

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    What a splendid tirade.

    Thank goodness your reputation for credibility precedes you.

    Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    Sorry LoyToy but I think the city council has bigger players in this then you. Like muti national corporations.
    So you think that a farang can convince the Pattaya Council to spend 45 million baht without creditable reasons and evidence backed up and supported in the Pattaya Council meeting rooms by the Environmental Department from Bangkok?

    Do you think that the owners of all these hotels give a flying fuk about all the poo filled stormwater drains running directly into the Gulf of Thailand?

    And finally do you think that the local fisherman have not felt their business become destroyed by the pollution that has killed off a lot of the sea-life?

    Next time you come to Pattaya I can take you to a place and we can scoop out buckets of dead and dying fish and we can then empty it into the Royal Cliff swimming pool and you can tell security it is just a myth.

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    Still the best place for a dirty weekend , even if you never see the beach. In fact , I know people who live there and hardly ever get sand between their toes.

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    [quote=Loy Toy;1794997]
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    Sorry LoyToy but I think the city council has bigger players in this then you. Like muti national corporations.
    Do you think that the owners of all these hotels give a flying fuk about all the poo filled stormwater drains running directly into the Gulf of Thailand?
    See ? what did I say....The bashers would say it is conspiracy.

    Yes they give a huge flying fuck. Who is going to occupy their businesses if the beach full of shit ?? the beach is right there, right across the road.

    And finally do you think that the local fisherman have not felt their business become destroyed by the pollution that has killed off a lot of the sea-life?
    There was pollution i the 90's. I am not denying that. Some sea life died then but now the sea life has relocated. People need a place to swim too.


    Next time you come to Pattaya I can take you to a place and we can scoop out buckets of dead and dying fish and we can then empty it into the Royal Cliff swimming pool and you can tell security it is just a myth.
    You are sure jumping to some big conclusions from your observation of a few dead fish. Did you do an autopsy on these fish ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jandajoy View Post
    What a splendid tirade.

    Thank goodness your reputation for credibility precedes you.

    Well done.
    This has nothing to do with me.

    I just presented some facts.

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    This is what you need in Pattaya, but on a regular basis not just for the Photoshoot opportunity

    Get them Farang police Volunteers in there.

    Give em a Cattle prod each and they can clean up walking street while they're at it

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii View Post

    This is what you need in Pattaya, but on a regular basis not just for the Photoshoot opportunity

    Get them Farang police Volunteers in there
    Every beach has some garbage that washes up on the shores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    I know people who live there and hardly ever get sand between their toes.
    No way mate. I have also banned my kids from walking on the beaches here because of all the hypodermic needles being washed ashore.
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    See ? what did I say....The bashers would say it is conspiracy.
    I am not saying it is a conspiracy, it is a fact.

    Again Socal. Can you explain to me how a farang can get the Pattaya council to spend 45,000,000.00 Baht to fix up the problem that they allowed?

    And I'm gunna be ringing some more alarm bells when I send them a new laboratory report proving that their measures to fix the initial problem has not worked 100%.

    My stormwater shit and market and industrial waste runs directly into Nakluer bay and as per the Bangkok Environmental Departments report.

    I think you have been blinded by people trying to sweep the shit under the carpet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    I know people who live there and hardly ever get sand between their toes.
    No way mate. I have also banned my kids from walking on the beaches here because of all the hypodermic needles being washed ashore.
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    See ? what did I say....The bashers would say it is conspiracy.
    I am not saying it is a conspiracy, it is a fact.

    Again Socal. Can you explain to me how a farang can get the Pattaya council to spend 45,000,000.00 Baht to fix up the problem that they allowed?

    And I'm gunna be ringing some more alarm bells when I send them a new laboratory report proving that their measures to fix the initial problem has not worked 100%.

    My stormwater shit and market and industrial waste runs directly into Nakluer bay and as per the Bangkok Environmental Departments report.

    I think you have been blinded by people trying to sweep the shit under the carpet.
    Not conspiracy, its fact ? That is what the 9/11 truthers say too.

    Ok, so there is no water treament plants in Pattaya, Pattaya Business and Tourism Association and the Thai Hotel Association don't exist, and if they did, they wouldn't care about water quality on their own beach.



    Let people decide for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    so there is no water treament plants in Pattaya
    Yes, there are and I can see one of them from the second story of my house.

    Unfortunately it is many kilometers away from the real problem areas and is so small it cannot possibly handle the sewerage that needs to be processed.

    Sorry mate but you have been blinded by a publicity stunt but I feel quite privileged to have this debate with you. I never in my life thought that it would happen and about this particular subject.

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    In the 90's The Royal Cliff was one of the biggest offenders for turds in the sea, if you swam round the headland during one of their pumping out times you would be swimming with the turds.

    Another thing, lets say today we get 1inch of rain in Pattaya, the sea is the lowest point in Pattaya, where does water normally go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    so there is no water treament plants in Pattaya
    Yes, there are and I can see one of them from the second story of my house.

    Unfortunately it is many kilometers away from the real problem areas and is so small it cannot possibly handle the sewerage that needs to be processed.

    Sorry mate but you have been blinded by a publicity stunt but I feel quite privileged to have this debate with you. I never in my life thought that it would happen and about this particular subject.
    No you are the blinded one by bullshit, not me.

    If you don't think that it is in those businesses interest to keep their own beach clean then I cant help you.

    This is right out of the report "None would argue that a beach
    resort without clean seawater has little to offer the average holidaymaker."

    i guess you would argue that it is not in their own interest to keep their pools clean too ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    In the 90's The Royal Cliff was one of the biggest offenders for turds in the sea, if you swam round the headland during one of their pumping out times you would be swimming with the turds.

    Another thing, lets say today we get 1inch of rain in Pattaya, the sea is the lowest point in Pattaya, where does water normally go?
    Yes, that was the 90's.

    Rain water is no different then any other beach.

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    I was just at the view point a few days ago. I could see the bottom of the ocean like 100 feet in. Its not dirty.


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    ^I agree rainwater is no different to any other beach, but when the streets are filled with rubbish, the road drainage full of shit that people pipe from their shop houses, guesthouses, hotels etc, there is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    No you are the blinded one by bullshit, not me.
    Mate, no need to keep on with this as it is just ludicrous.

    I am targeted on a daily bases about Pattaya by other members here and mostly defend the place (Read my previous posts)

    But regarding this subject I cannot defend the council not one iota.

    They have admitted allowing households, shops and businesses to run their raw sewerage straight into storm water drains that run straight into the gulf of Thailand.

    I won my particular battle without having to take them to court because they were guilty and admitted it by coughing up 45 million to make me go away.

    You continue to listen to what these people with business interests have to say.

    I'll hang onto my laboratory reports handed to me by the Thai Government pollution control board.

    Bye for now and enjoy your next swim.

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    This is Jomtien beach you dick.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    This is Jomtien beach you dick.

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    Look behind the view talay condo, view talay condos are easy to spot due to how crap they look, its the 4th one in, and whats that behind it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    This is Jomtien beach you dick.
    So way across the other side of the world, over in Jomtien beach, everything is up to par ?

    I never said that was a pic of what I was seeing, it looked like that though, you could see clear water.

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    Jomtien is ok, I have seen cleaner places in the world, but trying to prove that Pattaya beach is clean by posting a photo of Jomtien beach is slightly missleading to say the least.

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    Socal you are arguing with residents of Pattaya, who see the pollution day in day out.

    Do yourself a favour

    Stop making a cock out of yourself

    Try and get a photo of the right beach too, numb nuts


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    Quote Originally Posted by Loy Toy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    No you are the blinded one by bullshit, not me.
    Mate, no need to keep on with this as it is just ludicrous.

    I am targeted on a daily bases about Pattaya by other members here and mostly defend the place (Read my previous posts)

    But regarding this subject I cannot defend the council not one iota.

    They have admitted allowing households, shops and businesses to run their raw sewerage straight into storm water drains that run straight into the gulf of Thailand.

    I won my particular battle without having to take them to court because they were guilty and admitted it by coughing up 45 million to make me go away.

    You continue to listen to what these people with business interests have to say.

    I'll hang onto my laboratory reports handed to me by the Thai Government pollution control board.

    Bye for now and enjoy your next swim.
    Exactly, business interests. The beach is the lifeblood of their business and they know it.

    Why cant you grasp that ? Maybe you should tell the executives running these hotels that other people are contaminating the water. i dont think they would be too happy considering they want the beach clean and they treat their own water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
    I was just at the view point a few days ago. I could see the bottom of the ocean like 100 feet in. Its not dirty.


    No sea-birds at the beach, nor any crab running in the sand at sunset, the Pattaya Beach seems to be a maritime deathzone

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