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    ^ In Norway they prefer the white clogs Helge... used to be standard offshore Norwegian footwear many years ago before HSE got involved.

    Hal's picture of your two mates (^^) reminded me of something awful that happened last week. I was taking my daughter to The Mall and she said that she hoped I wasn't going to wear my 'Jesus boots'... God knows what she's been watching on Youtube.

    No-one but me seems to know the difference between a smart, modern pair of sandals and Jesus boots. I give up on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    No-one but me seems to know the difference between a smart, modern pair of sandals and Jesus boots. I give up on that one.
    A smart lass...

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    So I am having a big problem with one of our dogs.
    As you might know , we were stock in the US with the covid situation for two years.
    Sister in law who lives next door to us took care of the house and the dogs for us.
    We just came back a couple of months ago and one of the dogs (Pi Mee) has established herself as the Alpha female. She constantly puts the other dogs down and steps on them, They are terrorized my her. On top of that she does it at night waking up the whole neighborhood with their yelping.
    I tried to change the behaviousre by publishing her right after she does it, I take her away and separate her on the other side of the fence. bit when I bring her back she does it again.
    Last knight I woke up to a whole lot of yelping, wen out to separate them and there was blood all over.
    The other dogs are very nice and sweet. You seem to be very good with dogs ,
    What do you think I should do?
    I dont mean to hijack your wonderful thread, If there are more than one responses I will start a separate thread, I just wanted to get your opinion first.

    PS: all dogs are female and not neutered.
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    well I now know who you are on Thai Visa..

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    well I now know who you are on Thai Visa..
    Maybe you can tell me cause I am always trying to find myself. LOL

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    ^^^ BB, please don't worry about hijacking the thread... this is what it's for. Any contributions are more than welcome!

    I'm no expert on dogs but have picked up a few things over the years and this is my take on it...

    We have six dogs and there are a lot of squabbles but very rarely do these end up in fights, and even then, even more do any fights result in any injuries. In fact, the only injuries used to be to myself, trying to break up the fights and getting a hand in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was once told that the noisy fights are nothing to worry about... merely a dog trying to assert it's dominance. It's when the fighting dogs go silent that you have to worry because then they mean business.

    Dan has always been our undisputed pack leader... she's a neutered bitch and has been the dominant dog throughout her long life. Even now that she's 15 and very frail the other dogs seem to respect her position and never rival her. I think they are just humouring her since any one of the others could now easily beat her in a fight, although they know that then they would have me to deal with. They even let her have the choice position to sleep in every night, which is nice.

    Max, a five year-old neutered male is second in command and will take over from Dan when the time comes. Following Max are Tommy and Yogi... similar age (2 years) and similar strength and they constantly squabble on for the third position in the pack. When they have fought, either one comes out on top and there are never worse injuries than the occasional scratch... they are very evenly matched and seem to follow some kind of code when fighting... if one gave a serious bite I think he knows he would receive the same back in kind.

    Coco and Maya, our two young bitches have now had a few scraps to stay off the bottom of the pack position. Coco has always been there until Maya came along as a puppy, meaning Coco finally had a subservient pack member, but now that Maya is twice the size of Coco I think it inevitable that she will oust Coco and step up in seniority.

    I guess my point is that packs have a very structured hierarchy, and once each member accepts its position then things are generally stable and the dogs are happy. I now leave them to scrap on and never punish a dog afterwards. I'll have a shout at them and maybe throw a bucket of water over them during a fight, and that usually does the trick. We've never had a serious fight... it's more wrestling with a lot of noise. Sometimes two will gang up on one, and I stop that if I witness it, but generally I think it better to let the dogs sort it out themselves... and they do. The last thing they want is a serious injury through constant fighting.

    I think you should just let your alpha female establish dominance and the pack will settle down. One thing I have noticed... if you separate a dog, once it re-enters the pack a fight will usually kick off until some kind of equilibrium is reached again. I think it a mistake to separate the alpha... let her be dominant and the others have to accept it... if she's separated she will just have to go through it all again which is bad on the others.

    Currently our new bitch Maya is separated from the rest of the pack as first she had a season and now she's recovering from being speyed. She will have been separated for a month by the time she is finally reunited with the others and I'll re-introdcuce her very carefully. Dan is already growling at her through the gate and surely Coco will again challenge her for the fifth position in the pack. Most of this is done by very subtle body language, and will maybe end by Maya resting s foot on Coco's back to tell her to wind it in. It's a shame for Coco but she's a small, timid dog and her position is naturally at the bottom. She's also a very happy and popular dog in the pack and once she accepts Maya as her superior she'll be just fine about it and they'll go back to playing together for 10 hours a day.

    Once Maya is accepted again by the others I doubt we will have any problems and I'll just let them run wild around the property. We are lucky in having enough space to allow the dogs to do their own thing if there any fallings out.

    Or I could be completely wrong of course... I'm certainly not Cesar Millan.

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    My pack of 4 dogs includes Bruno, adopted, the male half pit pull/ bull mastif about 5 years old, Lucky, adopted, female, about 5 years old. the soi dog dumped outside our gate as a sick puppy with Pavos, Lilly, adopted, female, about 6 years old, a half poodle/ terrier and Bonnie, female, the pug and the only dog we purchased, about 15 years old who is still kicking in spite of her age.

    All have been spaded and it seems all are fit and well with Bruno having the lead role over the girls.

    It is certainly interesting watching them move through life and they all have different personalities but generally do not cause me too much grief.

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    Are you all experiencing with your dogs the situation I mentioned before with my dogs that the female - when in heat - does not accept her house friends but is welcoming to any strange dog outside the house?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    I think you should just let your alpha female establish dominance and the pack will settle down. One thing I have noticed... if you separate a dog, once it re-enters the pack a fight will usually kick off until some kind of equilibrium is reached again
    That's good advise, that if I separated them . when I re introduced them , they will start fighting again. I had not thought of that.
    The problem is that they they go at it at night, some times two or three times and they are incredibly loud. One of them sounds as if she is being murdered . So I guess I might have to separate Pi Mee at night and bring them all together again in the morning.

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    Good luck Buck, it's a tough situation. In my head I agree with Mendip, you just have to let them sort it out. No matter how much we try to domesticate them they have their own rules. In reality I always try to break up fights. I can't stand to see them hurt each other and I worry somebody will lose an eye or get seriously injured. I have been bit twice breaking up fights. The bucket of water sometimes works, but in the heat of the moment if you don't have a bucket of water handy, grab a chair. There is a reason a lion tamer uses a chair. Owning dogs, they give you so much love, but sometimes sadness. The love far out weighs the sadness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tunk View Post
    Good luck Buck, it's a tough situation. In my head I agree with Mendip, you just have to let them sort it out. No matter how much we try to domesticate them they have their own rules. In reality I always try to break up fights. I can't stand to see them hurt each other and I worry somebody will lose an eye or get seriously injured. I have been bit twice breaking up fights. The bucket of water sometimes works, but in the heat of the moment if you don't have a bucket of water handy, grab a chair. There is a reason a lion tamer uses a chair. Owning dogs, they give you so much love, but sometimes sadness. The love far out weighs the sadness.

    I also agree with the adage that they should sort it out themselves however in saying that we (the wife or me) quite often have to try and intervene.
    We have 3 male dogs (litter brothers) who are about 4.5 years old and they are always growling at each other but rarely get serious.
    One of the males Garn spent his first 2 years at a friends (Thai) house but he (the friend) does a lot of work for us on the farm and Garn used to spend a lot of time at our house and in the end thought he got fed better at our place so stayed.
    Before long there was a huge fight and Garn got bitten and lost his sight in one eye. So while Garn is the biggest dog he is now third in the ranking.
    Dam is the the top dog but only because he has formed a bit of an alliance with Garn. The third male Dorp is second in the ranks and barks loudly at Dam when Dam tries to boss him about.
    The only time I see them with injuries now is when they are off chasing any female that is in season but I don't know if they hurt each other or if it is other dogs. They have a very large territory to cover.
    We usually keep them locked in the house yard which is about 2 rai but they quite often escape and if there is a bitch in heat they won't come home unless they are hurt or very very hungry.
    If they can't get out they howl a lot so you kind of feel sorry for them as they only want to get to the girl wherever she is.

    My wife has a good way of sorting them out if they are looking like getting a bit too serious, she sets off a "bomb" which is some sort of fireworks. And when it goes off they instantly stop and try and find cover.
    Makes me laugh as when she starts yelling and running about trying to find the bomb they know and head for the hills its quite hilarious to watch.

    We also have a small female (Joy) who is the lowest rank and if ever another female comes to our place Joy jumps right on them and exerts her dominance. She usually gets an injection to stop her coming into season and so far we haven't missed but if we did I think there would be WW3.

    Another thing is our dogs are bi-lingual understanding both Thai and English so they are smarter than me in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    Another thing is our dogs are bi-lingual understanding both Thai and English so they are smarter than me in that regard.
    Dogs are smarter than some humans.

    I have never met a dog, who would use a Sawsall to take down a big tree.


    (only joking, Tunk)


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    As much as I love my dogs I have never let them use my tools. The last thing I want is to go out there and try to break up a fight when one has a utility knife and the other a screwdriver.

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    Several years ago my forehead had an unfortunate alcohol related incident with the corner of a wooden door frame which resulted in four stitches. This happened a few days before an offshore work trip and instead of telling the medic on the boat I had stitches that would need removing I decided on the safer route of sticking a plaster on my forehead and saying I'd been stung by a hornet. A week into the offshore trip I removed the stitches myself.

    Once I discovered how easy it is I also removed the stitches from my inguinal hernia op a couple of years ago, to save the awkwardness of having the male surgeon going down there again while I was conscious.

    Tomorrow Maya had an appointment at the vet to have the stitches removed from her tummy following the speying op, ten days ago. She was ready today... the operation wound had healed nicely and the stitches were causing a problem by pulling at the edges of the wound. It was time they were taken out, so why not do it myself... I like doing this stuff and could save a couple of hundred Baht as well!

    To be honest it wasn't the neatest needlework I've ever seen.



    I found these kind of miniature snips in one of the wife's many make-up bags. God knows what she uses them for but they were ideal to cut the stitches.



    Maya was starting to look a bit concerned at this point...



    I also found this pair of little black tweezers in the make-up bag which I guess the wife uses to remove errant hairs. They were also perfect to draw out the cut stitches.



    Nice and slow and all five stitches were cut and drawn out.



    Job done. All that was left was to swab the stitch wounds with Betadine. The actual op wound was completely healed.



    As soon as Maya's collar was off and her stitches removed, it was time to re-introduce her to the pack. This took about 3 seconds with Coco!

    I reckon that my stitching on the sofa patches is a lot better than the vet's efforts.

    Maya and Coco were overjoyed to be playing with each other again.



    It was also time for Maya to catch up on her favourite activities which have been denied her for the last few weeks.



    She did in fact dive in off the end of the jetty but I didn't have the camera ready.



    The pack were in a state of high excitement with the return of Maya... but there were no problems.



    There... one happy dog!



    She later re-aquainted herself with the chickens.



    And settled back into the gardener's kitchen which will be her bedroom again with the rest of the pack from now on. After around a month of separation, Maya looked so happy to have the collar off and to be back with the pack. There's been no problems at all but I'm sure there'll be a couple of squabbles as she settles back in.



    Later this afternoon Maya went missing which was a bit of a worry... although she couldn't have gone far because the garden is walled in.

    We started searching and the other dogs found her first... she was under the jetty. I reckon she was hiding, thinking she was going to be put on her own again tonight.

    Poor thing.

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    Good job

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    I did my head in on a bannister once that came out of nowhere as I was unplugging a phone charger. It probably needed stitches but everyone was out so I just led on the floor for a bit.

    My car boot hit me in the head a couple of years later that very much needed stitches. Both don't grow hair anymore.
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    That looks like one happy dog.

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    Maya and coco are adorable. Good job on the stitching! I couldn't do that myself, stitch a dog.
    The pack are so sweet! I love seeing happy dogs, and disagree with people wanting to put all the soi dogs down in Thailand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post

    Later this afternoon Maya went missing which was a bit of a worry... although she couldn't have gone far because the garden is walled in.

    We started searching and the other dogs found her first... she was under the jetty. I reckon she was hiding, thinking she was going to be put on her own again tonight.

    Poor thing.

    I don't think she was worried about getting put on her own rather she was just getting out of the sun while still being in the water.

    Unlike like her owner who is always out in the sun and then complains about how hot it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    I couldn't do that myself, stitch a dog.
    He took the stitches out..




    Quote Originally Posted by MarilynMonroe View Post
    and disagree with people wanting to put all the soi dogs down in Thailand.
    Sometimes its better to just keep your mouth shut..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    Are you all experiencing with your dogs the situation I mentioned before with my dogs that the female - when in heat - does not accept her house friends but is welcoming to any strange dog outside the house?
    I missed this post Klondyke. Our females, when in heat seem to accept anything. They're segregated from the 'outside' dogs but I have a feeling they would accept advances from those just as readily. Maybe keeping our dogs locked into the property together changes the dynamics a bit?

    Anyway, the Kommandant is out tonight, no doubt discussing with her vacuous friends the finer points of som tam pounding, or why it's been too hot or too cold, or too wet or too dry this year to actually go outside into the garden and actually do anything productive. Not when there's Thai crap on TV to watch, that's for sure.

    Dan and Maya picked up on this freedom immediately and sneaked into the house tonight. What I really like about our pack is that despite Dan being nearly 15 and tottering around, falling over all over the place... they all bow to her age and seniority. I think they are humouring her.

    A little altercation between Dan and Maya tonight... and Maya immediately submitted.

    Dan reigns supreme!


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    Go Dan!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendip View Post
    her position is naturally at the bottom. She's also a very happy and popular dog in the pack
    From what I gleaned once from a wolf documentary she is the packs Omega. Scapegoat, butt of all the jokes etc. but a valued member of the pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Dan reigns supreme!
    Dan is a female? That sounds quite strange to me. And in turn, knowing that in US (or in UK either?) Dana is often a man's name... Quite opposite than used in Europe, quite a popular name for men and women...

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    ^ Just under 15 years ago we took on 3 puppies that grew up under this Morlam show stage... they had been named by the show's members... Dran, Den and Din.

    Den I believe means 'sword' or something similar. He lived with us until a couple of years ago when cancer took him, and now he rests under a mango tree by our pond.

    Din (Soil or Mud?) died nearly 14 and a half years ago, when an arsehole vet gave her too much anaesthetic when being speyed. That still annoys me to this day as she was lovely.

    Dran, which I believe means 'brown', has been with us for nearly 15 years... but her name has morphed to 'Dan' for ease. The Thais can't do an 'R'... it has been easier this way!

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