Harley Davidson Khon Kaen

**FailSafe** · 30-12-2010, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by genghis61

The S4 since replaced by the Street Triple 675 which has won a few Bike of the Year awards.

Very nice bike if you're looking for something in the middle-weight class- I can't get comfortable on one (though I only sat on one and didn't ride it), but it was about the best-handling bike around when it first came out (though that sort of title lasts a year if your lucky in the 600cc niche- it's super-competitive).

**Rigger** · 30-12-2010, 10:40 AM

So how many of you poofters that are bagging HD have ever owned one ?
As I thought fuking 0
Each bike has its place and to think all HD are slow and break down all the time just shows that you have no real idea.

**FailSafe** · 30-12-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Rigger

Each bike has its place and to think all HD are slow and break down all the time just shows that you have no real idea.

I just think they're all slow (without heavy mods), but I don't have a problem with them- the VROD is a nice bike and I'd be happy to tool around on an XR1200, but they are definitely giving up performance to their Japanese counterparts when looked at from a displacement and dollar perspective.

**Rigger** · 30-12-2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by FailSafe

I just think they're all slow (without heavy mods), but I don't have a problem with them- the VROD is a nice bike and I'd be happy to tool around on an XR1200, but they are definitely giving up performance to their Japanese counterparts when looked at from a displacement and dollar perspective.

look back in the 90s and you will find buell was on par if not more powerful with handling to match the air cooled Ducatis.
Build quailty is another thing, I have never seen a jap bike with the build quailty of a HD.

**FailSafe** · 30-12-2010, 11:06 AM

Erik Buell might have sourced his engines from HD, but they were a different animal once he got done massaging them- no argument that he was on his way to making an American sportbike that could compete with anything out there- I was very disappointed when he had to close his doors.

Look at the new Honda VFR1200- I doubt you can find a bike under 30K that has better build quality- it's stunning.

**Rigger** · 30-12-2010, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Look at the new Honda VFR1200- I doubt you can find a bike under 30K that has better build quality- it's stunning.

Look at most 20 yo HD still looking good and cant say the same for most jap bikes. Most things on a HD are metal most things on a jap bike are plastic.
When you start pulling shit apart you do see the difference

**Bettyboo** · 30-12-2010, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by genghis61

Street Triple 675

Not much wrong with that...

...except the price in Thailand, at 610,000 baht (http://www.motorcycle.in.th/staticpa...cle_Price_List); it's 8,650 pounds in the uk ( http://www.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/...ed-triple/2654) which at today's rate equates to: 405,000 baht.

**Bettyboo** · 30-12-2010, 11:31 AM

Nope, I made a mistake (I quoted the UK price for the bigger brother - so you can cut 2,000 pounds off the uk bike which is around another 100,000k or so, thus double price in Thailand...

(the pictures are of the bigger brother too, so I've really showed what I've said: don't know much about bikes at all, should stick to the little ones for sure...

)

**FailSafe** · 30-12-2010, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

Look at most 20 yo HD still looking good and cant say the same for most jap bikes.

Look at the mileage (especially in the used market classifieds)- the Japanese bikes usually have many times more miles on the odometer- at least in the States, a lot of HDs are parking lot queens that go from home to Starbuck's and back (this isn't a comment on the bike but rather the riders who often choose them)- the guys on the sportbikes spend their time on 'racer road'- I used to put over 10K miles per year on my bikes in the States, and none of them were daily transportation (I had cars)- they were all pleasure miles.

Look at how many 5-year-old Harleys you'll see with 3K miles on them- of course they still look new- they're barely broken in.

Also, Japanese bikes aren't built to last a lifetime- they are cutting-edge tools made for a specific purpose (at least as far as sportbikes go)- after 10 years (often less) they are also-rans- HDs have barely changed in decades- why bother upgrading when the technology hasn't changed? You may as well keep putting money into your current bike for a while if that's the case- with sportbikes, I want a new one every few years because they actually get better over that time-frame- HDs generally don't.

There are of course Japanese bikes that are collectible and you can find many of them in perfect condition after nearly 40 years (like the Kawasaki Z1 and Z900, to name two).

I'm cool with whatever bike you like to ride, but there are valid comparisons to be made.

**Bettyboo** · 30-12-2010, 03:19 PM

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Harley Davidson Khon Kaen30-12-2010 11:36 AMRiggerThread is about HD and not gay pommie bikes

Originally Posted by Rigger

Each bike has its place

Try to keep your dummy in...

**Rigger** · 30-12-2010, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by FailSafe

Japanese bikes aren't built to last a lifetime

Bullshit

Originally Posted by FailSafe

a lot of HDs are parking lot queens that go from home to Starbuck's and back

and alot travel a long way in comfort.

Originally Posted by FailSafe

guys on the sportbikes spend their time on 'racer road'

I think you will find more possers on jap bikes

**Rigger** · 30-12-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

ThreadDatePosted ByComment

Harley Davidson Khon Kaen30-12-2010 11:36 AMRiggerThread is about HD and not gay pommie bikes

Originally Posted by Rigger

Each bike has its place

Try to keep your dummy in...

I am off for ride out to village for a few beers

And will leave you arm chair bikers to work it out

**Bettyboo** · 30-12-2010, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

ride out to village for a few beers

So, you're exactly the sort of TWAT that I thought you were... Enjoy your ride, try not to kill any innocents on your ride back...

**FailSafe** · 30-12-2010, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

Bullshit

So you think Japanese bikes are built to last a lifetime? I don't agree with that at all- they are supposed to be around for a decade or so, and then disposed of for parts.

Originally Posted by Rigger

and alot travel a long way in comfort.

Most don't- there are certainly some ridin' mofos on Harleys, but many of them are barely ridden.

Originally Posted by Rigger

I think you will find more possers on jap bikes

There are posers on both, but with HD you actually buy the poser image- HD makes about as much (maybe more) on apparel as they do on their bikes- that's a lot of 'do-rags'.

**FailSafe** · 30-12-2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

And will leave you arm chair bikers to work it out

HD guys and sportbike guys will fight it out (to no real conclusion) forever- the only common ground we have is in our mutual hatred of cops and cages.

**Mr Earl** · 01-01-2011, 05:13 AM

On my way up to Ranong the other day I had a fancy white custom Harley come up behind me. (I was on my big R1100GS)

He hangs behind for a while, I'm riding along at a sensible clip making my way around traffic as we came on it.
Eventually he passes me, making some lovely engine music, he was loud and had some serious ponies built into that engine.
I tried to keep pace with him for a while but realized it was too much work. He had gobs more acceleration than I had. Though it seemed like my bike was easier to ride around the corners. On the straights he was gone.
It's interesting too to note that he was sporting some Australian motorcycle club colors.
Never saw him again. I was kinda hoping to ask what sort of engine he had as it did sound sweet.
I love that sound but I could never ride a contraption like that with the huge rear tire and so low to the ground.
My eye level on the GS is high enough to look over most cars, while his eye level would give him a good view of their doorhandles.
Riding fast like that with that limited visibility ain't for me.
I'd say the XR1200 would be ok I guess if I had the irresistible urge for something Harley powered..

**Rigger** · 02-01-2011, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

So, you're exactly the sort of TWAT that I thought you were... Enjoy your ride, try not to kill any innocents on your ride back...

I rode there and stayed there dumb ass

Originally Posted by FailSafe

HD guys and sportbike guys will fight it out

I ride and own sports bikes, choppers, and dirt bikes. One harley, one suzuki, three hondas

**Rigger** · 03-01-2011, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Eventually he passes me, making some lovely engine music, he was loud and had some serious ponies built into that engine.

Come on Mr Earl dont upset the armchair bikers idea that all HD are slow.

**graym** · 04-01-2011, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by peterpan

Originally Posted by sabang

What a waste of money Harley's are in this country. Still, it's the punters money.

You cannot put a price on image sabang, and that's what the Harley experience gives you.
They make short fat old men into virile young gladiators, they deliver a dick lengthening noise and they don't challenge any riding skills, as well they drop 20 yrs off the riders age.
A twenty year old mianoi has the same affect at probably about the same price.

A miraculous transformation.

Errr, that'll be me then! 40 year old mia luang on the back though and dissapointingly did nothing for the length of me dick - Oh well...

**FailSafe** · 04-01-2011, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

Come on Mr Earl dont upset the armchair bikers idea that all HD are slow.

Is there a stock HD you would call 'fast'? The VROD isn't slow, but a 600cc sportbike beats it easily.

You can mod anything, of course, but it's nice to get some power right out of the box.

**Rigger** · 04-01-2011, 01:22 PM

Destroyer stock runs under 10 sec out the box
Night rod stock can run around the 11 sec out the box

Originally Posted by FailSafe

The VROD isn't slow, but a 600cc sportbike beats it easily.

**FailSafe** · 04-01-2011, 01:27 PM

The Destroyer is not a road bike (it's a closed-course bike only for the drag-strip), and it's $31,000 (if you could get one for that- dealers will gouge big time on a limited-edition bike)- from the HD website: It is illegal for anyone to ride this motorcycle on public roads. This motorcycle may only be used on closed courses.

The Night Rod might hit mid-11s if you set it up just right- that's a full second off the pace of a fast 600cc bike.

**Rigger** · 04-01-2011, 01:38 PM

You didn't say it had to be a road bike, you said out of the box. Still 1 second off the pace with a Sunday cruiser against a race bike packed with the latest tech.
Not to bad

**FailSafe** · 04-01-2011, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

You didn't say it had to be a road bike, you said out of the box.

Come on- a purpose-built quarter-miler that comes stock with wheelie bars... that's still slower than at least six bikes I can think of that cost less than half the price, and also handle (more like ten if I pick German and Italian bikes as well, but they'll be around 20K)- but, yes, it's 'out-of-the-box'...

Originally Posted by Rigger

Still 1 second off the pace with a Sunday cruiser against a race bike packed with the latest tech. Not to bad

I would say the V-ROD engine counts as the 'latest tech' for HD- it's still fairly new, and was built to give performance- it's slower with twice the displacement (and 50% more weight, of course)- I don't consider it a standard cruiser like the rest of the HD line-up (maybe a 'power-cruiser').

I spent years racing bikes and cars on the 1/4 mile track (not street racing- real tracks and times- I had an 11-second Camaro and a 9-second Hayabusa, though I will admit only a lightweight friend ever got it into the 9s- I saw a best of 10.08[at]144mph on it)- a second is a lot of time- if you want to go for 1000cc and up bikes, it's more like two seconds, which is forever (~20 bike lengths) and it will only get worse as the distance increases.

Granted, though, compared to the rest of the bikes HD puts out, it's certainly not slow.

**Travelmate** · 04-01-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rigger

So how many of you poofters that are bagging HD have ever owned one ? As I thought fuking 0

Never ridden a Harley, and I still think they are crap bikes.

Crap, crap, crap!

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