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    ABS on touring or chopper style bike has got to be all good on a race bike I am not that sure at the moment. I did ride a honda ST with ABS and traction control cant really say I noticed to much difference
    Are the GP riders using it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    If you can't ride a motorbike, then don't.
    I've done half a million miles on bikes. You don't need abs.
    You need skill.
    Dumbest quote by a biker than done half a million miles!

    You can go a million miles and never use ABS.
    You can be the most skilled ruder and never use ABS.

    But there comes a time when it needed, it only happens once in a million skilled miles. It saved your bacon. You may not know or notice it. Since ABS only worked for a fraction of a second, yet it was enough to keep out of hospital or sliding under Somchai's pickup,

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    The accident I had with my truck would most probably not have happened had I bought the ABS model.

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    ABS is about having directional control whilst under maximum brakinng.

    if your front wheel(s) are locked and skidding they cannot steer.

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    well done for understanding abs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher View Post
    If you can't ride a motorbike, then don't.
    I've done half a million miles on bikes. You don't need abs.
    You need skill.
    Dumbest quote by a biker than done half a million miles!

    You can go a million miles and never use ABS.
    You can be the most skilled ruder and never use ABS.

    But there comes a time when it needed, it only happens once in a million skilled miles. It saved your bacon. You may not know or notice it. Since ABS only worked for a fraction of a second, yet it was enough to keep out of hospital or sliding under Somchai's pickup,

    No, skill, anticipation, experience, hazard awarness.
    All the things for instance an avanced motorcycle training instructor will teach.
    500k miles in all conditions, no spills. None.
    If you ride like a cint you need abs.
    Falling asleep and waking up is not the same as passing out and coming to.

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    haven't owned a bike with abs, but ridden a few, and I'd say yes if it is an option on a new bike

    first exp at a BMW demo day, held on a go-kart track in the rain, tight corners, off the track was about 1m loose gravel strip then infield/outer of track in wet grass.

    The bmw bloke gave demos of basically standing on the back brake at speed on all three surfaces. Then trying to lock the front. Yes I know a bike rider won't do this but it was to show how abs worked ie not locking the wheel/s.

    Four us mere mortals we got to do braking tests on the straight using front, rear, then both and marking with cones, then same on abs bike. ABS better every time (remember this was wet in steady rain, I'd say an exp rider would be about the same on a good dry surface)

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    ABS won't save you on oil, or snow etc.
    Training, and experience will.
    If you're riding a big enough bike to warrent abs then you should;'t need it.
    You should have trained yourself sufficiently.
    Farang die in Pattaya cos they rent bikes they don't know how to ride.
    Fireblades etc.

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    From what I've read here and elsewhere all the people who say you don't need it talk like it somehow affects the bike all the time. Skill, training and experience will save you on an ABS or non ABS regardless. A good (or possibly lucky) rider will never use it at all, 99.9% of riding will be just the same as non abs, you can brake just the same as a non abs bike. But that one time a scooter pulls out of a soi without looking or a dog runs out it may just keep you upright and pull you up quicker than if you didn't have it.

    The facts are out there for all to see.

    I would hopefully never use it but if it saves me once in 10 years it is worth having then isn't it.

    Thailand is full of stories of people sliding down the road alongside their bikes. Good, experienced riders just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Daltons accident springs to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher
    ABS won't save you on oil, or snow etc. Training, and experience will. If you're riding a big enough bike to warrent abs then you should;'t need it. You should have trained yourself sufficiently. Farang die in Pattaya cos they rent bikes they don't know how to ride. Fireblades etc.
    you sound like you are full of shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    Originally Posted by peterpan When I first started competitive racing I thought I looked pretty fcking cool, braking sideways into corners, riding speedway style with the arse hanging out, but I always came last.

    I didn't!
    But then again most of my competative racing WAS speedway and grasstrack solo !
    Roadracing was mainly with a sidecar as well and drifting was essential

    Never had ABS on a bike but my latest crotch-rocket is a mighty Airblade !
    First bike with linked brakes and I like it at the gentle speeds I potter around at .
    I have noticed however that I rely on the rear brake and the linked system - hardly ever use the front brake lever and the consumption of rear brake shoes is heavy - on my third set after 16,500 km.
    Does this happen on bigger bikes?
    Can the ratio between pressure to front / rear brakes be adjusted ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rigger View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher
    ABS won't save you on oil, or snow etc. Training, and experience will. If you're riding a big enough bike to warrent abs then you should;'t need it. You should have trained yourself sufficiently. Farang die in Pattaya cos they rent bikes they don't know how to ride. Fireblades etc.
    you sound like you are full of shit
    No, I sound like I have 30 years of experience and over half a million miles under my belt.
    I have owned 42 motorbikes and still own 7 in the uk.
    So fuck off.

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    Have only experienced ABS on big scooters (Burgman / T Max) and it compensated well with the smaller wheels - they do tend to lock up much quicker on bikes that are not so manouverable - would recommend it.
    On a real bike - take it or leave it - it's the attitude, alertness and skill of the rider that counts.

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    I have only 25 years riding and owned 30 bikes with 5 in shed. So I guess that makes you right.
    My bad
    abs is for people that can't ride

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    Mr custard has it.
    Abs will save you 0.01% of the time.
    Experience, skill and training will take care for the rest of the time.

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    5 years ago I was in Phatong, I when for a ride on a fiends 125.
    I when over the mountain to Phuket Town.
    On the way back it started to rain on the way up the mountain that was OK.
    Get to the top it was only very light rain, on the way down to Phatong.
    I was going very slow a pickup coming beside me, I could feel the was starting to slip out from under me, the pickup started to do 360.
    On a left sharp bend there is a motorbike laying on the road, I put my feet on the road two get back up right & the bend with out get clean up by the pickup
    or the on coming traffic .
    I will never go over that mountain when it is raining & If I was riding a big bike ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the dogcatcher
    Abs will save you 0.01% of the time.
    That's why it is worth having it.

    You may only need it 0.01%, 000000.1%, 1% but if you have it, it may save your life and so it is worthwhile having.

    Why would Kawasaki fit it as standard on their 2010 ER6N / Ninja 650's if it was useless?

    Why would Honda install it on their new Fireblade if it was useless?

    I bet they would put it on everybike, just peoples resistance to new technology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    Rain isn't that slippery unless you start planning, ABS don't help that much,
    DD,

    Au contraire I think the French say.

    Here in BKK driving a bike on wet roads is like riding on ice. It can be very scary. I think apply the brakes enough for ABS to come into play would already be too late.

    To answer the OP if they come with ABS OK. I would only be concerned if it started to apply itself during "normal" riding. Whether Kawasaki ABS is any good or not? Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal
    I would only be concerned if it started to apply itself during "normal" riding.
    How would it apply itself during normal riding???

    This is the thing, people think it is some intrusive thing that will affect the brakes during normal use.

    It will only work when you are in a situation where the wheels will become locked up, it just stops the wheels from locking up!

    That's not normal riding!

    Jeez!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bung
    That's not normal riding!
    It is if you're out with Rigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    When I first started competitive racing I thought I looked with the arse hanging out,
    peter,

    I couldn't resist. The only time i saw your arse hanging out is when it was hanging out of your trousers.

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    ^ My arse did look a tad big in those race leathers, I put it down to just a bad tailoring job.

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    Some more info on this subject:

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    Institute researchers compared the fatal crash experience of antilock-equipped motorcycles against their nonantilock counterparts during 2003-08. The main finding is that motorcycles with antilocks versus without are 37 percent less likely to be in fatal crashes per 10,000 registered vehicle years. Bolstering this finding is a separate analysis by the Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI), an affiliate of the Insurance Institute. HLDI analyzed insurance claims filed for crash damage to motorcycles. Bike models with antilocks have 22 percent fewer claims for crash damage per insured vehicle year (a vehicle year is 1 vehicle insured for 1 year, 2 insured for 6 months, etc.) than the same models without antilocks. The results update earlier studies by the Institute and HLDI published in 2008. In 2009 the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) announced that it was looking at the issue in light of the Institutes earlier study but stated that an additional year of data and additional analyses are needed to determine the statistical significance of the results.
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    I don't think they are worth but maybe they are useful on 4 wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate View Post
    Here is how and when ABS works.
    PP mentioned it is a distraction how?
    When a biker brake (not car driver) he squeezes the brake lever and start to load the front. Digging the front tyre into the road. In perfect condition.
    Dry road, good front tyre, good brakes, excellent feedback & a good rider. He will come to a stop quickly without any drama not even a wheel lock or a skid.
    The same result will happen to rider with a bike fitted with ABS.
    Both have the same stopping distance in perfect conditions.
    Now you get retards saying it does not snow or rain or going sideways.
    Going sideways on a bike you are on your arse. Period.
    The road surface varies a great deal. Concrete, Tarmac & so forth.
    Let add other road users. Buses, trucks, pickups & Jesus jones BMW. Sone will leak, some will spill diesel.
    Any biker will tell you. The roads of Thailand changes dramatically from one extreme to the next.
    The good biker ( PeterPan) will not be ready for a sudden loss of grip when braking expertly only to come in contact with a patch of oil.
    ABS will work before your reaction has time to compute.
    ABS will save your life without you realizing.
    ABS may never get used. But if used only once, then it gave you the rider another day to get home safely, and spend another wonderful evening with your family.

    ABS is a life saver, not an aid to riding better.

    To improve braking, you need to practce. In the car park, on a quiet road or on the track.

    Ride safe
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