Discovery Turbo A Bike Is Born

**Marmite the Dog** · 17-01-2010, 03:13 PM

**blackgang** · 17-01-2010, 04:39 PM

Damn, I have owned both of those bikes
When younger I bought a Trumpy Bonneville 650 cc twin, think I got an old hard copy pic someplace and then in the mid 80's I found and bought a 1942 WLA and completely restored it to origional, right from the spokes to the wrist pins with origional 1940's cosmoline covered parts.

But when you have changer wives 6 times in life, lots of pix go adrift.

**Marmite the Dog** · 17-01-2010, 04:58 PM

^ I've watched the Harley one, and they ended up with a lovely looking bike. Just started the Trumpy one now.

**blackgang** · 17-01-2010, 06:35 PM

I was young and there are very large wheat fields around sacramento at that time, after harvest when there was stubble in the fields there were also large numbers of Jack Rabbits so we would take our limeys, from BSA 500 thumpers to Bonnevilles and chase the bastards and try to run em over, some fields were close to a mile, flat as a pool table, they hard to line up on and sometimes you went down to go thru a barbed wire fence,, hard as hell on both bikes and riders,, but lots of fun and skill is gained by such expensive foolishness.

But that is not a sport suitable to HD's. Well maybe the old K models..

**Marmite the Dog** · 17-01-2010, 06:59 PM

Just finished the Trumpy one. Lovely paint job on it and it turns out they had a US special that was a homologised special bored out to 750. Sweet.

**blackgang** · 17-01-2010, 07:35 PM

Yes, in later years, so did Norton and most English bikes coming into the country.
I didn't know it was just US imports tho, thought it was for everyone.

**nedwalk** · 18-01-2010, 04:22 AM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I've watched the Harley one, and they ended up with a lovely looking bike

maybe just maybe there is hope for you after all

**Marmite the Dog** · 18-01-2010, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by nedwalk

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I've watched the Harley one, and they ended up with a lovely looking bike

maybe just maybe there is hope for you after all

It was a relevant bike in 1942.

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 12:46 PM

Not only that one but so was the Indian, and Indian lost out by making bikes for military and police usage instead of for the civilian sales.
Pinned to much faith and trust into motorcycle use in law enforcement and military while ignoring the civilian market, and when the military and police did not support their main sales ideas, Indian sold the shithouse.
Actually there were a better machine than the HD models.

**Travelmate** · 18-01-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

Actually there were a better machine than the HD models.

Not difficult to achieve...

The Jap bikes are better.
The Euro bikes are better.

**Marmite the Dog** · 18-01-2010, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Travelmate

The Jap bikes are better.

I didn't think there were any Jap bikes in 1942.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

The Euro bikes are better.

I'm sure the German bikes were up there with the best in 1942, but I'm not sure who made them then. BMW were making Aeroplane engines at the time.

**Travelmate** · 18-01-2010, 02:38 PM

^ Wot you saying then Marmers is that HD was a good bike for a brief period in 1942 when no one else was making them?

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 02:59 PM

No, what he is saying that they were pioneers in motorcycles.
You are full of shit and it is very easy to see that you have very little in the way of lifes experiences or intelligence and knowledge and really like to talk out of your ass about all things you happen to see, and especially about motorcycles except maybe Squids.
The fact that you speak against something is a very true indication that others should do some investigation into that product as it is most likely very good.

Plus the fact that you also seem to know nothing of the history of motorcycles and their manufacturers over time.

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Wot you saying then Marmers is that HD was a good bike for a brief period in 1942 when no one else was making them?

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I'm sure the German bikes were up there with the best in 1942, but I'm not sure who made them then. BMW were making Aeroplane engines at the time.

Beemer did build motorcycles for Germany at that time, then when Russia took home what it wanted, they took the plans and tooling and now produce the old german war machine and call it URAL, sold pretty well world wide and is an economical bike, I bought one New in Mexico and was only about $3000 with a sidehack.

**Marmite the Dog** · 18-01-2010, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Travelmate

Wot you saying then Marmers is that HD was a good bike for a brief period in 1942 when no one else was making them?

Around that time Harleys were well regarded. Personally, HDs became irrelevant when Honda released the CB750 in 1969 ish, but for some reason many people like to pay way too much for obsolete bikes. I don't understand it, but many people probably don't understand why people buy bikes other than what they like.

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

HDs became irrelevant when Honda released the CB750 in 1969 ish, but for some reason many people like to pay way too much for obsolete bikes.

Not irreverent at all, the Honda CB750 would not replace or fit in the slot that was filled by the HD FLH 74" it would fit in the slot with the XL 900 (61"), nor could it fill all the places that were filled with trumpys, Nortons, Beemers, Vincents, AJS,Aerials including the square 4's and still Indians in 74 and 80".
There is or was no obsolete bikes as they all had a use and purpose that they filled and were preferred by many.
We used to go up to lethbridge to TT and hill climbs,, we rode English bikes,, the Canadians rode Indians and Harleys,, stretched and reworked rear forks with large tires and traction snow and mud chains on them.
Lots of folks come on here and project their own thought as to what is THE BEST, and that all depends on your personal choice and what you use it for, There is NO BEST for every use filled by one machine.
Too many talking but have not seen that much to qualify as an expert on which one you should own and if one was BEST for everything then that would be the only one selling.
And if the Honda CB750 made all other motorcycles obsolete then it would be the only one left being built.
Only a fool would buy a Honda Jazz to fill the purpose of a 40' Apollo Motor home.
IMHO

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 05:23 PM

Here is a pic of my late 83 with a cased oil bath chain that HD used for a few years and this was the last model of it is why I owned it and it has a factory new EVO and had just came back from a 1 month, 8 thousand mile trip pulling the trailer in the right side of the pic, now in IMHO only a fool would have chosen a CB750 to make that trip over this machine, and for those few years I never owned a car, the car in the pic belongs to the lady I was bunking with.

**Marmite the Dog** · 18-01-2010, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

And if the Honda CB750 made all other motorcycles obsolete then it would be the only one left being built.

Well, it destroyed the British bike companies. They refused to adapt and modernise and went the way they deserved. Norton flourishes today, because they make great contemporary bikes.

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 06:19 PM

Not really, I rode brit bikes too, but for a different reason than I rode Hogs, hard to ride trails and chase rabbits and race TT on a road machine, and the limeys were really not that well engineered or built, just like most european cars of the time,, even Rolls Royce was not the fine engineering of the time, and english bikes dumped more oil than a hog and it was supposed to as the chain was oiled by the pump and ran off on the ground.

But one should listen and read and know the true facts,, A honda CB750 is OK, but it is not the only machine to own and for different riders it is not a machine to own,, for me it is not and for you it might be the only machine that satisfies you.
To continually harp and rag someoone elses machince choice or someone elses wife choice does not impress some people.

**Marmite the Dog** · 18-01-2010, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

A honda CB750 is OK, but it is not the only machine to own and for different riders it is not a machine to own,, for me it is not and for you it might be the only machine that satisfies you.

I know. That's why I wrote this...

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I don't understand it, but many people probably don't understand why people buy bikes other than what they like.

It kinda makes sense if you read it about 15 times.

Originally Posted by blackgang

the limeys were really not that well engineered or built, just like most european cars of the time,

Which is why the Japanese companies destroyed the British bike companies. The Jap bikes were everything the Brit bikes weren't.

**blackgang** · 18-01-2010, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Which is why the Japanese companies destroyed the British bike companies. The Jap bikes were everything the Brit bikes weren't.

No, only if that was the kind of bike you wanted to ride in your favorite sport.
We used to have this older dude,, Maybe 40, who came to Lethbridge to TT race, he rode an Indian Chief 80 with a flatbed sidehack and on that sat a new Trunpy TROPHY 30.50 that was his TT machine.

But only thing i can say for sure,, the Japs did dump a lot of Bikes on the world markets because they did DUMP em cheap. now thats the real reason that they sold.
DUMP means to sell for less than it cost to build em.
Since that time they have improved, but so has everyone elses.

Harley shovels used to need a top end about 28k miles, now they will go 100k out of the box, same with a lot of em, Beemer is one.
Model A Fords were slow, and would wear out long before 100k now Fords will go to 200k.
I got a 2009 Honda Air Blade for going to the store as I do not ride cruisers on the hyways here,, What do you ride if I might ask??

**Marmite the Dog** · 20-01-2010, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by blackgang

What do you ride if I might ask??

I thought you knew what I rode?

A 1982 Honda VF750S.

**nedwalk** · 20-01-2010, 05:35 PM

and its yellow....

**Marmite the Dog** · 20-01-2010, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by nedwalk

and its yellow....

Go and have another wank to get it out of your system, Mate...

**blackgang** · 20-01-2010, 06:19 PM

I knew it was yellow and I knew it was a Honda, but not being familliar with Honda motorcycles I was not sure of anything else.
I owned a Steed (Shadow) 400 for awhile and then I sold it for a good price and bought a 400 with the cross ways engine with a head poking out of each side,, what the fuck ever it was and sold it and made a couple of Baht, bought my sons a Honda Trail 90 that had the gear range selector on the trans that shifted the gear ratio from road to trail and thats it for me and Hondas,, rode a million miles sidesaddle behind some babysan on a 50 or 70 all over Nam tho.

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