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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate View Post
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    Can it go round corners?
    No the handle bars don't turn at all
    If you actually turn your handlebars to nego a corner. Then you ain't travelling faster than say 15km/h!
    Nonsense.
    How so?
    I thought you'd know, seeing as you know everything about everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedwalk
    thats a nice and tidy little ride..fair price too i reckon
    Agreed, a very fair price. No book or papers I bet. But who cares.

    Is it still on the market?

    Anybody know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
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    No the handle bars don't turn at all
    If you actually turn your handlebars to nego a corner. Then you ain't travelling faster than say 15km/h!
    Nonsense.
    How so?
    I thought you'd know, seeing as you know everything about everything.

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    If you actually turn your handlebars to nego a corner. Then you ain't travelling faster than say 15km/h!
    I'm seriously doubting that you have actually ever ridden a bike TM, have you ever tried to ride a bike with the steering yolk locked up? you would know then that bars do move in the opposite direction of the path that you are taking.

    Counter steering is the method whereby a motorcycle is turned when operating at speeds that provide gyroscopic stability. The term "counter steer" refers to the action of turning the steering mechanism in the opposite direction of the intended turning direction to increase the acuity of the intended turn. For example, while performing a RIGHT hand turn, at lean, the rider could turn the steering mechism to the LEFT and it would result in the motorcycle actually turning more sharply to the RIGHT. Anyone who has turned a motorcycle at anything above idle speed has used countersteering - you just don't realize you're doing it.
    By understanding what countersteering is and how it works, any rider can make more controlled turns, steer away from hazards, and ride with less fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    If you actually turn your handlebars to nego a corner. Then you ain't travelling faster than say 15km/h!
    I'm seriously doubting that you have actually ever ridden a bike TM, have you ever tried to ride a bike with the steering yolk locked up? you would know then that bars do move in the opposite direction of the path that you are taking.

    Counter steering is the method whereby a motorcycle is turned when operating at speeds that provide gyroscopic stability. The term "counter steer" refers to the action of turning the steering mechanism in the opposite direction of the intended turning direction to increase the acuity of the intended turn. For example, while performing a RIGHT hand turn, at lean, the rider could turn the steering mechism to the LEFT and it would result in the motorcycle actually turning more sharply to the RIGHT. Anyone who has turned a motorcycle at anything above idle speed has used countersteering - you just don't realize you're doing it.
    By understanding what countersteering is and how it works, any rider can make more controlled turns, steer away from hazards, and ride with less fatigue.
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    Thank you Peter.
    I am seriously beginning to doubt your reading capabilities.

    Counter steering is correct. You push the bar in the opposite direction you want to go.
    Now most do this without ever realising this. As we all learn to do this sub-consciously as kids when riding our bicycle.
    Now to actually turn the bars. You need to be at no more than say walking pace. Turning the bars at higher speed is actually harder to do. Thanks to the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel. The bike always want to go straight. The faster you go the harder you need to push the bars. Ever notice when someone falls off in motorcycle racing, the bike steady itself and continues in a straight line. Thanks again to the gyros of the front wheel.

    So, let re-cap.To actually TURN the handlebars you would need to be at approx walking pace.
    At higher speeds (that's faster than walking pace for the Harley riders) you push the bars rather than turn the bars. Or you counter steer.

    I would say the bars on the Mutant is for A) hanging your washing on. Or B) hanging on for dear life as the Buell engine release all it wild horses onto the tarmac!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate
    So, let re-cap.To actually TURN the handlebars you would need to be at approx walking pace.
    So to recap...

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
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    So, let re-cap.To actually TURN the handlebars you would need to be at approx walking pace.
    So to recap...

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    Nonsense.

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    Turn the bars or push the bars, same thing.
    To get the bike to to change direction you have to to exert a force overcoming the gyroscopic force which keeps the bike going in straight ahead direction, to achieve this you have to push on the bar against the direction in which you want to go, therefor you turn the wheel thru an axis in the opposite direction to the intended directional change, agree?

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    These low riding chopper style bikes might look good in a magazine, but their low clearance aren't practical for care free riding on the street. On the highway in a straight line they are fine, start putting them into more acute turns and try to lean the bike over too much and they start scraping things. They are really nothing more than a "LOOK AT ME" bike suited for posers.

    I haven't heard of anyone who uses the counter steering method to negotiate daily turns/corners on the street - if there is someone out there who claims to do it, they probably fall into the squid category as there is no need for it. A safer way is using your brakes to either pull the bike in or stand it up or through throttle control = smooth control.

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    ta for that bit of help ful info..next time i ride a look at me bike i shall try hitting the back brake hard into the corner...will i fall off? do you think?..what should i do if it starts wobbling and scrapeing? should i apply the front brakes too

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    ^ I think you fellow QLDer Isee doesn't ride neddy, anyone who uses the brakes to negotiate a turn won't last long before hitting the black stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan
    who uses the brakes to negotiate a turn won't last long before hitting the black stuff.
    Sidecar ?

    You use your body weight to 'steer' your roadbike. Works for me

    Offcourse I ride british. Don't know how you drive your taiwanese pvc around

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    ^ I think you fellow QLDer Isee doesn't ride neddy, anyone who uses the brakes to negotiate a turn won't last long before hitting the black stuff.
    Both you and ned have shown you don't know what you are talking about on top of what you've already said about counter steering. I'd say your sum total knowledge of bike riding has been based on thai scooters. So when your ignorance is shown up you sound like a broken record claiming those people don't ride bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helge View Post
    You use your body weight to 'steer' your roadbike. Works for me
    And being the basis of the post that started this little "how do you steer" pissing contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nedwalk View Post
    ta for that bit of help ful info..next time i ride a look at me bike i shall try hitting the back brake hard into the corner...will i fall off? do you think?..what should i do if it starts wobbling and scrapeing? should i apply the front brakes too
    If you ride a "chopper" style bike, best you keep away from corners....or do what most of your fellow riders do and slow down and "steer" the bike. Who said anything about applying the brakes "hard"? Bit of a stupid leap to make.

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    LOL here we have a group of wannabe bikers spouting knowledge of how to ride a motorcycle.
    We all have our quirks on how to ride a motorcycle.
    Be it;
    Counter steering
    Body steering
    Turn the bars
    Weighting the foot pegs
    dabbing the rear brake in a turn
    Shifting body weight to the side
    And so on it continues.
    Do whatever it takes to keep your bacon from hitting the tarmac.
    It rubber side down and shiny side up.

    Apart from myself, do any of you actually own/ride a proper bike? If so let it be known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isee View Post
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    ^ I think you fellow QLDer Isee doesn't ride neddy, anyone who uses the brakes to negotiate a turn won't last long before hitting the black stuff.
    Both you and ned have shown you don't know what you are talking about on top of what you've already said about counter steering. I'd say your sum total knowledge of bike riding has been based on thai scooters. So when your ignorance is shown up you sound like a broken record claiming those people don't ride bikes.
    Right you are Issee,
    I had had my first bike a kawa H1 Mach 3 triple in 69 and sold my last which was a Yamaha R1 only a couple of years ago.
    40 yrs of riding and club racing.
    Up until 5 yrs ago when I sold the Ducati I had in OZ, I was a regular at Queensland raceway ride days.



    At Bira about 5 yrs ago on my Thai scooter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate View Post
    Apart from myself, do any of you actually own/ride a proper bike? If so let it be known.
    Define what a "proper bike" is. I'm sure somewhere in this thread you have mentioned what you ride/own - but I can't be bothered to look back to find where you said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
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    ^ I think you fellow QLDer Isee doesn't ride neddy, anyone who uses the brakes to negotiate a turn won't last long before hitting the black stuff.
    Both you and ned have shown you don't know what you are talking about on top of what you've already said about counter steering. I'd say your sum total knowledge of bike riding has been based on thai scooters. So when your ignorance is shown up you sound like a broken record claiming those people don't ride bikes.
    Right you are Issee,
    I had had my first bike a kawa H1 Mach 3 triple in 69 and sold my last which was a Yamaha R1 only a couple of years ago.
    40 yrs of riding and club racing.
    Up until 5 yrs ago when I sold the Ducati I had in OZ, I was a regular at Queensland raceway ride days.



    At Bira about 5 yrs ago on my Thai scooter
    Then why are you talking all this shit?? Anyone who knows something about riding bikes knows you can't ride a bike on the street the same way you can on a track. And being such a learned rider, how do you correct oversteer/understeer in a turn? Arguing counter steering as a method for everyday riding is just stupid.

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    TM owns a rather tasty triumph, and I have seen him at Track days on a ZX10 so his credentials are valid but he was still getting his bottom wiped by his Mummy long after I was l scraping my arse along the tarmac.

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    ^^ even on a bicycle you counter steer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    TM owns a rather tasty triumph, and I have seen him at Track days on a ZX10 so his credentials are valid but he was still getting his bottom wiped by his Mummy long after I was l scraping my arse along the tarmac.
    LOL possibly true

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    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    TM owns a rather tasty triumph, and I have seen him at Track days on a ZX10 so his credentials are valid but he was still getting his bottom wiped by his Mummy long after I was l scraping my arse along the tarmac.
    Well at least we are in agreement to what constitutes a "real bike"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate View Post
    ^^ even on a bicycle you counter steer.
    I'm not saying that counter steering isn't a method - but it has its time and place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travelmate
    even on a bicycle you counter steer.
    You do. Even when you drive 'no hands'.

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