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    Which car brands are going all electric and when?

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    I found this interesting, not just for the EV roll-out plans, but also for which company owns which Brands.
    (not in the video, it's just about the EV Jag)




    Jaguar

    British luxury car brand Jaguar announced in February that it would go all-electric from 2025.
    Its maker, Jaguar Land Rover, which also sells the Land Rover, has pledged to become a net zero carbon business by 2039.
    The first all-electric Land Rover model is due to be released in 2024, with an intention to eventually phase out internal combustion engines in that brand as well.


    Audi

    From 2026, all new models released by German car maker Audi will be battery-powered.
    Its petrol, diesel and hybrid cars released before 2026 will continue to be built and sold until the early 2030s.
    The company, which is owned by Volkswagen Group, will phase out its development of the internal combustion engine by 2033.


    Alfa Romeo

    Italian car maker Alfa Romeo has announced it will only sell battery-powered cars in Europe, North America and China from 2027.
    It has not said whether Australia will be part of its expansion into the all-electric market.
    Alfa Romeo is owned by Stellantis, the world's fourth-largest car maker, which includes brands such as Jeep, Fiat, Peugeot and Chrysler.
    Stellantis is investing 30 billion euros ($47 billion) in electric vehicles through to 2025.


    Most of the rest are HERE
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    Isn't there some statistics somewhere that say the time of ownership before one gets to carbon equality with an ICE car is 7 years?

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    One might wonder where all the minerals and power will come from to power these vehicles let alone how the lost revenue will be replaced most likely in new "levies" as the word "tax" is not so popular with people nowadays.

    UK electric cars will require twice the world’s supply of cobalt | Auto Express

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    I'm looking forward to an EV, but my first will probably be a 'PHEV', a Plug In Hybrid.

    Small battery (which will charge from my roof top solar), ICE back-up

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    Electric cars are the latest Wall street bubble hype scam. After the bubble collapses, companies will not be able to build and sell EV's at huge losses like they are now. And then EV's will find their niche. But they aren't taking over. That's hype. For some people they are great. But the ice engine isn't going anywhere

    No one is making money building electric cars

    Tesla Loses Money On Every Single Car: Here's Where The Profit Hides

    According To James Dyson, All Current Electric Cars Are Sold At A Loss
    Last edited by Backspin; 11-11-2021 at 07:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I'm looking forward to an EV, but my first will probably be a 'PHEV', a Plug In Hybrid.

    Small battery (which will charge from my roof top solar), ICE back-up

    I think hybrids will make a comeback after this EV bubble bursts

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    From the link in the opening post

    Mercedes-Benz

    Mercedes-Benz, which is owned by Daimler, is working towards going all-electric by the end of the decade.

    The company has increased its target for battery electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids to make up 50 per cent of its sales globally by 2025.
    The only concern I had with the EVs were charging station.

    I was going to set an appointment up with Mercedes when I got back to the states but might wait another year or two before I purchase one.

    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    Going to get an appointment for the EQS when I get back home next year. But if there are any doubts about the advertised 770 kilometers/480 miles (on one charge) I might wait before the purchase. However, I’ve read where the EQS will go about 400 miles on a charge but with a 15-minute quick charge it’ll pick up another 186 miles. I would be happy with 550 (plus) miles.

    ChargePoint and Other EV Charging Stocks Electrified by Infrastructure Bill

    In a speech on Friday, President Joe Biden said the funding could help build more than 500,000 charging stations, and help make 50% of vehicles electric by 2030.
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S Landreth View Post
    The only concern I had with the EVs were charging station.
    Who pays for the electricity at the charging station?

    If it's user pays, what is the rate?

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    I like this guy. He has a wealth of knowledge re Solar. He's quite irreverent ...

    “Is it faster than a regular car?”
    Yeah, it will destroy a Ford Mustang from the lights. Don’t ask me how I know that


    Quick watch, only 3.12 mins in length


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    Same guy here ...

    Which car brands are going all electric and when?-solar-electric-vehicle-jpg


    Almost every day, I field questions from homeowners about solar power, batteries, and how they tie in with electric vehicles (EVs).

    The Homeowner's Guide To Solar Power And Electric Cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Who pays for the electricity at the charging station?

    If it's user pays, what is the rate?
    To answer your question……..

    Electric Car Charging Overview | DriveClean

    Public Charging Costs

    Many people charge their electric car at public charging stations. They can be free, pay-as-you-go or subscription-based, with prices set by networks or property owners. Some automakers, such as Hyundai, Nissan and Tesla may provide complimentary public charging at certain chargers. The industry is moving toward a fee structure based on kWh used, rather than by the time it takes to charge the car.

    Drivers in California may expect to pay 30 cents per kWh to charge on Level 2, and 40 cents per kWh for DC fast charging. At these rates, the same Nissan LEAF with a 150-mile range and 40-kWh battery would cost about $12.00 to fully charge (from empty to full) using Level 2, and $16.00 with DC fast charging.
    • And a link to important information “lost gas tax revenue”


    Florida Senate panel OKs fee for electric vehicle charging stations

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    ^ Thanks for that.

    Still, charging at home for me (when the time comes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But they aren't taking over. That's hype. For some people they are great. But the ice engine isn't going anywhere
    As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. The ICE is at the end of its life cycle. The writing is on the wall, and it can not be stopped. Carmakers have to plan new models out years in advance, and they have to reconfigure assembly lines in factories on and on. It is a massive task to undertake and if these car manufacturers say that they will be fully electric by a specific year they are already implementing the changes and shifting development to make that happen. That means that they are moving planning and research away from internal combustion over to EV's, not both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    UK electric cars will require twice the world’s supply of cobalt | Auto Express
    maybe they should have prefixed their headline with " using current battery technology " , but that may have minimised its clickbait value

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I'm looking forward to an EV, but my first will probably be a 'PHEV', a Plug In Hybrid.
    was looking at the RAV4 , but there seems to be excessive wait times

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Electric cars are the latest Wall street bubble hype scam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. The ICE is at the end of its life cycle. The writing is on the wall, and it can not be stopped. Carmakers have to plan new models out years in advance, and they have to reconfigure assembly lines in factories on and on. It is a massive task to undertake and if these car manufacturers say that they will be fully electric by a specific year they are already implementing the changes and shifting development to make that happen. That means that they are moving planning and research away from internal combustion over to EV's, not both.
    Yet you said all that without addressing my main point. I just posted 3 links showing that EVs are all being sold at losses. So selling an EV now is like selling dollars for 75 cents. Yes. You'll get a lot of sales. But you won't stay in business long

    One German premium manufacturer confided to Wheels that the cost of building a plug-in hybrid version of a model is double that of building a conventional ICE version.
    Last edited by Backspin; 11-11-2021 at 10:42 AM.

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    EV maker Rivian prices IPO above expected range

    Following its Nasdaq debut on Wednesday, Rivian has a market cap of $86 billion, higher than Ford and about equal to General Motors, even though the company is projecting revenue of between zero and $1 million for the third quarter.

    Which car brands are going all electric and when?-106973452-1636560901128-gettyimages-1352479047-img_0076_20211110102641474-jpeg

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    Which car brands are going all electric and when?-rivian-rally-car-rendered-jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    One German premium manufacturer confided to Wheels that the cost of building a plug-in hybrid version of a model is double that of building a conventional ICE version.
    It is a new technology and when something is new it is expensive. As all of these other manufacturers start to go exclusively electric, the costs will come down. These are big public corporations that have to answer to shareholders, they would not be committing to going fully EV if they thought that they would be losing money, you simpleton. They are way ahead of you and your narrow-minded boomer logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    The company, which is owned by Volkswagen Group, will phase out its development of the internal combustion engine by 2033.
    I think they will phase out development well before then. It'll be good for them, at least they won't try cheating emission standards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    One might wonder where all the minerals and power will come from to power these vehicles let alone how the lost revenue will be replaced most likely in new "levies" as the word "tax" is not so popular with people nowadays.

    UK electric cars will require twice the world’s supply of cobalt | Auto Express
    EVs will require more of some things but less of other, so I don/t understand your lost revenue comment.
    The power will come from beans , lots and lots of beans .

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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    I'm looking forward to an EV, but my first will probably be a 'PHEV', a Plug In Hybrid.

    Small battery (which will charge from my roof top solar), ICE back-up
    That's my thinking also. If they weren't so expensive , I would get one now, but the extra premium at this time will wipe out my savings for a long time.
    But most of my driving is with in the limits of the small battery of the PHEV and if we want to go for a long trip or have issues charging the gas engine would be used.
    As the cost of the PHEVs comes down , and or the infrastructure for charging improves I might change my mind.
    The sooner you fall behind, the more time you have to catch up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    But the ice engine isn't going anywhere
    unfortunate choice of words, but I would agree with you, ICE engines will make excellent planters and will not be going anywhere.
    Which car brands are going all electric and when?-engine-png

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    Factcheck: How electric vehicles help to tackle climate change

    The chart includes tailpipe emissions (grey), emissions from the fuel cycle (orange) – which includes oil production, transport, refining, and electricity generation – emissions from manufacturing the non-battery components of the vehicle (dark blue) and a conservative estimate of emissions from manufacturing the battery (light blue).







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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Who pays for the electricity at the charging station?

    If it's user pays, what is the rate?
    I went on a trip with one of the Audi execs a few weeks ago. He was driving his e-tron and we stopped a few times to charge. The price was based on the charging rate and he was using the fastest rate the car could handle. It took about 20 minutes to charge to 85%. He was using a subscription card to pay. I commented at the time that it was almost the same cost as filling with fuel. It is much cheaper overnight plugged into the house.

    I didn't like the fact he had to stop so often, 4 times when my diesel would have used less than a tank. I also didn't like the fact he had to look for charging stations all the time on his mobile. The car maps have to be updated by the garage and didn't contain the latest info.

    The last Audi diesel engine has been designed...there won't be any more money spent on future development.

    Also Audi decided not to build hybrids. All electric or all fuel only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    It is a new technology and when something is new it is expensive. As all of these other manufacturers start to go exclusively electric, the costs will come down. These are big public corporations that have to answer to shareholders, they would not be committing to going fully EV if they thought that they would be losing money, you simpleton. They are way ahead of you and your narrow-minded boomer logic.

    Corporations make monumental miscalculations and stupidity in the middle of a financial bubble. Just as they did with mortgages leading up to 2008. I am not denying that a lot of cars will go electric eventually. But the transition is not going to be as immediate. And ICE engines are not being fully phased out really ever. Not even 50 years from now. ICE will always be used in certain applications. Long haul trucking, emergency vehicles and other shit like that. Somebody will still be doing R and D and building ICE vehicles for those applications for the next 40 years+.

    And don't get me started on electric airliners. It doesn't pencil. It cant. Energy density by volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And ICE engines are not being fully phased out really ever. Not even 50 years from now.
    BS

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    ICE will always be used in certain applications.
    It gets even thicker...

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Long haul trucking
    Semi | Tesla

    Freightliner Electric Semi Trucks | EV | E-Mobility | Freightliner Trucks

    Electric Semi-Trucks Are On Their Way, At Last

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    emergency vehicles and other shit like that.
    Ford considers "purpose-built electric police vehicles," offers Mach-E electric car for testing

    Tesla Model 3 police cars pay for themselves faster than expected, says police chief - Electrek

    https://www.electrive.com/2020/05/18...ased-on-nv400/

    https://cleantechnica.com/2021/04/15/you-can-now-buy-an-electric-ambulance/

    https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/04...ic-fire-truck/

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    Somebody will still be doing R and D and building ICE vehicles for those applications for the next 40 years+
    Ok boomer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    And don't get me started on electric airliners.
    The thread is not about airliners.

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