Thread: GWM , Haval H6

BB, I was looking into one of these recently, it seems reasonably priced. Like you, I laughed at the LEMON moniker. Also like you I struggled to find out much about the Thai specification. There is a lot on the Internet, especially from Australia. However, their specs are probably quite different. For example, so far as I can tell the Thai options are only 2WD whereas Australians have a choice of 2WD or 4WD.
The gf was no help at all with the Thai language website. Chinese car, no face. She just shrugged a lot and grunted a little.

Originally Posted by Shutree

Chinese car, no face

get a range rover nogender badge from lazada

Haval H6 2021 Review - carsales.com.au

Do they have one called a Nagila

Get the Toyota Cross Hybrid for the same price. Better carn, better service, and worth a lot more on resale.

And there's me thinking that hybrids were cheaper because they get a tax break.

Originally Posted by aging one

Get the Toyota Cross Hybrid for the same price

Shit if you can get a Toyota why would you even consider Chinese garbage?

Originally Posted by moose65

Haval H6 2021 Review - carsales.com.au

Thank you for hat link, a lot of good information there. Unfortunately the review is for the Australian version and we don't know how that information relates to the Thai version.
One of these days I will stop at the dealer ship which is only 10 minutes from my house and have a look.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Shit if you can get a Toyota why would you even consider Chinese garbage?

Because you cant buy the comparable Toyota for close to the price of the H6.
Two different cars. The H6 is a mid-size SUV, and the Cross is a compact crossover. Don't be fooled the Chinese auto industry has come a long way , especially in the EV/hybrid segment that many might say they are leading.
To get the similar car in a Toyota you would have to get the Fortuner which will cost about 300,000 more and not be a HEV,
Fuel consumption :Fortuner 7.6 to 8.6L/100km. Haval H6 4.9L/100km
The Fortuner is a seven seater and as you said has a better resale price. But you pay more up front in the hope that you will get your money back many years from now. You might or you might not. And then you have to consider the opportunity cost of that investment. In addition the H6 fuel consumption is almost half of that of the comparable Toyota, Given the lifetime of the vehicle how much in savings does it translate to.
Mind you. I am not saying that the H6 is a better car , or as good as the comparable Toyota, I don't know, which is why I started this thread, what I am saying is that it is not a simple as "hell if I could buy a Toyota"
I will listen to everyone, consider everything , and then do the wrong thing anyway LOL

The problems of hybrids is the reduced trunk space and higher weight. Besides, the batteries are of limited lifetime, that's to consider.

And why do you need a SUV? Are you driving off road? Besides, that that their aerodynamic is not exactly as at the saloon car, also the weight. That contributes to the increased consumption, the 4.9L/100km should be taken with a second thought.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

The problems of hybrids is the reduced trunk space and higher weight. Besides, the batteries are of limited lifetime, that's to consider.

And why do you need a SUV? Are you driving off road? Besides, that that their aerodynamic is not exactly as at the saloon car, also the weight. That contributes to the increased consumption, the 4.9L/100km should be taken with a second thought.

No Off road for me .For the longest time we had an SUV ,In the US I had a Mitsubishi Outlander, mostly for the "U" in the acronym. I like the visibility being higher, and it does come handy here in Khon kaen during rainy season . Big boot for those trips to the Home improvement store or gardening nursery, and many of the SUVs are seven seaters which comes handy when the whole family outings, . Most of the time it is me the wife, wife' s sister and her husband, and if we have another couple like my brother and his wife or my sister and her husband visiting it makes six people. Most of the time the third row seating would remain folded.
I don't think the H6 is really going to be an option, at that price the MG HS PHEV is a better option IMO ,it is a pug in HEV which means you can plug it in at your home overnight and next day your first 30 miles can be pure EV. Most of our driving is usually less than 30 miles , so we would only buy fuel for long trips. The only reason I started this thread is because the H6 just came to my attention, I could not find a lot of information about it and was hopping you guys knew more than me about it.
Most likely It would be neither of these vehicles 'cause both me and the wife , well lets just say we are frugal. LOL
The Suzuki XL7 which is really an upgraded Ertiga ticks all of my requirement boxes and does it at 779.000 bht and even though it is not an HEV with the 500,000 bht I save I can buy a lot of extra gas.

Currently, in Europe, there is a great criticism of SUV. And a hostility against their users...
Criticism of sport utility vehicles - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Currently, in Europe, there is a great criticism of SUV. And a hostility against their users...
Criticism of sport utility vehicles - Wikipedia

Thank you for that,
I will keep it quiet when I am there. I will also wear a tee-shirt with the Canadian flag on it.
That should keep me safe. But if they get too hostile , I will put my SUV on four wheel drive and run them over.
Damn Europeans with their cheese eating and SUV hating.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Damn Europeans with their cheese eating

You are not alone. Even the ol' good de Gaulle was also upset saying how he could rule such nation with 124 kinds of cheese...

Get a Hilux 4 door 4x4 pick up and call it a day. Add a camper shell if you like. Simple. Efficient. Effective and incredible reliability for years.

Originally Posted by JPPR2

Get a Hilux 4 door 4x4 pick up and call it a day. Add a camper shell if you like. Simple. Efficient. Effective and incredible reliability for years.

That would be the reasonable thing to do, and something I also suggested to the wife. Only I was thinking of a ford Ranger , only because I like the way it looks, Toyota is probably more reliable. Wife said I could, only if I bought her something else to drive 'cause she is not driving a pick-up truck. And I like my wife more than I tike a ford pickup truck, LOL
She has her heart set on a Suzuki XL7 and we are in the final negotiations of getting one.

So as promised ,today we stopped at the GWM dealer and looked at the Haval H6, it is actually the only car they have, they just opened last month, and it comes into two variants one that sells 1,149,000 and one that sells for 1.249,00 , the only difference between them is that the second one has a panoramic sun roof , and autonomous parking. I told the wife I was trying to stay out of the sun, and for 100,000 baht, I could hire someone to follow me around and park the damn thing LOL .
I don't know how reliable it is because it does not have a track record, but otherwise I was very impressed with the car.
It was fast, very fast, it had every option one can get in a car now days, it was luxurious, had two touch big touch screens, and was well detailed inside and out, drove like a dream, and looked good to me.
If the car proves to be reliable it will sell like hotcakes. IMO Unfortunately, I don't know how reliable it is, and with all these bells and whistles there are a lot of things to go wrong. Also I don't want to part with 1,149,00 . Daughter just started her bachelors degree at UCF , and The bank of Dad is running a bit dry.
Looks like we are going to end up with the Suzuki XL7. Wife is talking with a friend of hers from school, who works for Suzuki right now. Personally ,I am over my car period of life and could not care less. As mention in my previous reply, I would had been happy with a pick up truck.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Haval. Diesel or petrol? Torque Specs suggest diesel.

Edit: Answered my own question. Miller cycle so super/turbo charged?

I believe it is a 1.5 turbocharged petrol engine assisted by a hybrid electric motor.
If you have the opportunity I suggest you stop your local dealer and have a test drive, I was imposed, especialy at that price point.
But I am an old school driver and not ready to learn new tricks. The first thing I did while driving was to turn off the lane departure alarm , this being Thailand and Khon Kaen in particular, every move was a lane departure. LOL, it was very annoying.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Wife said I could, only if I bought her something else to drive 'cause she is not driving a pick-up truck. And I like my wife more than I tike a ford pickup truck, LOL

That's fair and that's what we did. I have my Hilux and wife has her Mitsubishi Pajero Sport. To hard to be a 1 vehicle family. We just do too much and there is no one perfect vehicle to cover it all. I haul building materials, trees, dirt, rock etc. Can't put that in a SUV. Wife shops and takes dogs out and about and hard to do that in the truck plus dinner out with friends and family it seats 7. On road trips it is nice having the SUV as all luggage is inside. I would never do the camper shell route on my Hilux only because it limits the bed functionality.

There is still a lot of value in the Toyota name. They maybe producing a lot of bread and butter models but they sell em by the millions. It takes time to build up that sort of cred. Honda is much the same. I guess in time we will see how the troop of "Johnny come lately do". 5 years from now the trade-in values will be interesting to see!

In all my years I never bought a car for what its "Potential Resale Value" could be later. But I do not turn over cars like some do so I guess if you are a new car buyer every few years, this could be important. Cars are not assets, they are liabilities but a needed one to get around and do what we like. So I have always told people, buy a car you like and check on its reliability.

Enjoy your new purchase Buck

"In all my years I never bought a car for what its "Potential Resale Value" could be later. "

Me neither! Some people may. But the point is after 5 years of sales, or less, a good indicator of the brands worth is reflected in the trade-in price. Take for example this 2019 MG which is 2 years old. MG MG3 2019 X 1.5 in กรุงเทพและปริมณฑล Automatic Hatchback สีน้ำเงิน for 329,000 Baht - 8010455 - One2car.com

New price today around 589000 baht. Used 329000 baht. So the trade in price was less than 300000 baht! Wow! That's savage depreciation.

Originally Posted by Grumpy John

Take for example this 2019 MG which is 2 years old.

Originally Posted by Grumpy John

New price today around 589000 baht. Used 329000 baht. So the trade in price was less than 300000 baht! Wow! That's savage depreciation.

That's because it is a piece of Chinese built junk with an MG badge.