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    45 killed daily in road accidents in past 10 months

    Believe it or not – purported to be an improvement


    http://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/...past-10-months

    45 killed daily in road accidents in past 10 months

    Goal of 664 deaths a year in 2020 still distant

    PUBLISHED : 2 NOV 2019 AT 18:26
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    THODSAPOL HONGTONG

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    A pickup truck overturns shortly after midnight Friday, killing its 39-year-old school teacher driver in Ban Khwao district, Chaiyaphum province. (Photo supplied by Makkawan Wannakul)

    Road accidents killed 45 people and injured 2,523 each day on average from January to October this year, according to data compiled by the central road accident claims company.

    Road Accident Victims Protection Co was jointly set up in 1998 and owned by all insurance companies at the time to ensure quick payments of compulsory compensation to road victims under the 1997 Protection for Motor Vehicle Victims Act.

    According to the company’s data in the first 10 months of this year, 13,692 people died and 757,010 were injured in road accidents.

    Jarut Visalchit, director-general of the Land Transport Department, said safety measures had been implemented and planned to reduce Thailand's road fatalities to below 10 per 100,000 population, the goal set for next year.

    Based on the population of 66.4 million last year, Thailand’s goal of 664 road traffic deaths a year or 1.8 per day on average is a tall order, given the 10-month data.

    Mr Jarut said several measures had already been implemented. For instance, public transport vans must use terminals. All public vehicles and lorries must install GPS systems and GPS-based monitoring centres were set up to monitor them for violations.

    Online systems on vehicle conditions and their fuel systems were also put in place while more checkpoints were set up at accident-prone spots nationwide, he said.

    Public drivers with past records are monitored 24 hours while drivers’ working hours are required to be reported and checked. Drivers must also be tested for alcohol and receive training.

    For cargo lorries, twist locks are required to be installed, he said.

    Next year, public transport vehicles must be no more than 3.8m high from 4m currently while double deckers must be no more than 4.3m high. Vehicles 3.6m or higher must also pass rollover tests and standards will be set on doors and inerior materials, he said.

    Thailand has the
    eighth worst record in the world for fatal road accidents, as measured by deaths per 100,000 population, according to the World Health Organization.

    The ranking in the most recent WHO survey in 2018 is actually an improvement from the previous two surveys, when the country ranked second, behind only Libya. The survey is conducted every three ye
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    Thailand wants to drop annual road deaths to half that of the safest countries...? They need to be a little more realistic with their goals...

    Number 1 has to be the removal of all U-Turn junctions on dual carriageways.
    ...or maybe just getting people to drive on the correct side of the road...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Number 1 has to be the removal of all U-Turn junctions on dual carriageways.
    My number one is "law enforcement" or, in Thailand case - lack thereof. Interesting that Thailands police force is so... well "professional" that their own citizens actively ridicule and laugh at 'em.

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    I would think that the enforcement element should be a bit more than "checkpoints" on straight sections of roads in locations that never change.

    What about setting up a monitoring post at intersections and having police 100m down the road at each outlet charging the nutters who run red lights , make illegal turns, drive the wrong way, bike riders dangerously weaving in and out of cars etc. etc.

    What about having "mobile" patrol cars and bikes that actually stop people along the highways that are driving dangerously i.e. speeding, cutting in at ridiculous speeds with little room to do so etc. etc.

    The mind boggles to what could be achieved if someone actually wanted to do some work on the issue instead of just posing for pictures when some stupid prick drives into a checkpoint loaded up with drugs.

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    Just for comparison in the U.S. in 2017, no current data available

    Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Just for comparison in the U.S. in 2017, no current data available

    Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day
    The population of USA is around 350M last time i checked the population in Thailand is 65M
    Thailand comes second after Libya for average road deaths per head of population
    I remember reading in a local rag that roads deaths in Thailand are only counted as road deaths if people die at the scene of the accident
    IF they die on the way to hospital or at the hospital they are not road deaths
    Last edited by petercallen; 03-11-2019 at 08:43 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petercallen View Post
    The population of USA is around 350M last time i checked the population in Thailand is 65M
    Thailand comes second after Libya for average road deaths per head of population
    I remember reading in a local rag that roads deaths in Thailand are only counted as road deaths if people die at the scene of the accident
    IF they die on the way to hospital or at the hospital they are not road deaths
    Understood statistically speaking. But it is still a lot per day.

    Thailand has a long way to go in regards to education of its drivers. There just isn't enough. I disagree that more policing will fix it. There are people that drive stupid and with little disregard everywhere I have ever visited in any country, thus there will always be road deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    raffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day
    Yup, to expand on this: USA has about 270 million registered vehicles, Thailand comes in with about 37 million. (no figures for vehicular traffic)
    Algebra 270/37= 7.3X Deaths 102/45= 2.3X


    Safety Factor 7.3/2.3 = 3X hmm... think law enforcement makes a difference?


    'tis just a tad bit safer in the USA. Speeding tends to be a pretty expensive vice, driving on the wrong side of the road - well, just don't do it. Drink driving is guaranteed to put you in the "poor" house and without a license. Now, of course in Thailand, do you really need a license?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    driving on the wrong side of the road - well, just don't do it.
    Yeah, save it for the trip to the UK.

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    Who here has ever been been pulled over by a police patrol car whilst driving?

    Me neither.

    There are absolutely zero worries about speeding, drink driving or general poor driving unless you come across a police roadblock.

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    Been subject to a couple of attempted shakedowns by the cops in Chonburi. I just said I'd like to head to the station to take care of it and they drifted off.

    I think you'll find quite a few people have been stopped on here, just not on the interests of road safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Understood statistically speaking. But it is still a lot per day.

    Thailand has a long way to go in regards to education of its drivers. There just isn't enough. I disagree that more policing will fix it. There are people that drive stupid and with little disregard everywhere I have ever visited in any country, thus there will always be road deaths.

    Just a couple of responses to what JPPR2 says.

    Looking at the stats from the USA it means there is 1.1 deaths per vehicle accident. I'm sure if the numbers were analysed here it would be much higher given number of people who travel in the back of pickups and or on a motorcycle.

    As for more policing that is not the answer just more effective policing is the answer but that would require them to get off their arses and actually do something other than pose for pictures.

    As for education of drivers, more effective policing would educate people to what is and is not acceptable. I remember the introduction of compulsory installation and wearing of seatbelts in cars In Australia and lots of people said "no way" now it is almost instinctive to put the belt on as soon as you get in the seat.

    One of the problems here is that for it to work it would have to be uniformly applied which I couldn't see happening.

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    I got stopped on the Bangkok/ Chon Buri Motor Way by a Highway Patrol Bike Cop for using my phone whilst driving about 1 month ago.

    First time ever getting stopped whilst driving by a mobile policeman.

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    One thing clear to me being I know quite a few police officers here and in the US, they simply do not compensate them enough to care to make a difference. The 3 I know here, make roughly 22k baht ( $726) a month, in the US my Sheriff and CHP friends make > $10,000 a month and they have always said, if they ever made less they would quit because its not worth it with all the assholes they pull over. I have to believe the police here say the same thing so why would they use their on money to police roads and towns? Easier to set up road blocks and wait for the few random idiots to blow through it and get caught.

    Honestly I really enjoy the lack of road policing. However I say because I know how to manage myself and drive based on road conditions and environment. I grew up in a small town as a kid with very few police and it was always just about attitude and upbringing and of course stricter education. Adding more police will not change a thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    However I say because I know how to manage myself
    So, there is in no way a case that you would be rammed by others, managing to escape from any situation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    So, there is in no way a case that you would be rammed by others, managing to escape from any situation?
    Well most of us call that "Defensive " driving. and clearly driving over here you better be on your toes.

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    Backward Oriental Barbarians.

    A decent civilising mission is in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Backward Oriental Barbarians.

    A decent civilising mission is in order.
    It's understandable that you can't make any sensible input on anything concerning Thailand at all.

    After all, you live in Portland.

    But it's a bit surprising that you don't realise that's what you demonstrate with every post like this.

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    Jarut Visalchit, director-general of the Land Transport Department, said safety measures had been implemented and planned to reduce Thailand's road fatalities to below 10 per 100,000 population, the goal set for next year.
    The only way these monkeys could reduce road casualties to anywhere near such numbers is by closing down Thailand. Rather than fine words and unrealistic goals for political points knowing that their dumbed down audience will have forgotten by next year, they could start by enforcing the law, move on to improve roads and conditions, toughen up driving tests and standards, and try educating the retards to the value of lives, for starters.

    How about you lose your car on the way to jail for drink drive, no valid argument against, and it would save more lives than idiotic predictions by politicians that would be looking for an honest job in any civilised country.

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    The only way to "fix" the Thai driving problem is to hit them where it hurts - right in the pocketbook. Really not just a Thai problem - more a people in general problem. Education does help, but the only way to actually change their bad behavior is to fine them until it hurts. The only method that will get their attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    The only way these monkeys could reduce road casualties to anywhere near such numbers is by closing down Thailand. Rather than fine words and unrealistic goals for political points knowing that their dumbed down audience will have forgotten by next year, they could start by enforcing the law, move on to improve roads and conditions, toughen up driving tests and standards, and try educating the retards to the value of lives, for starters.

    How about you lose your car on the way to jail for drink drive, no valid argument against, and it would save more lives than idiotic predictions by politicians that would be looking for an honest job in any civilised country.
    Yup they can "implement" whatever they want, it's only ever for show or a reaction to 'unfavourable" publicity. The will to enforce laws or improve driving standards just never seems to be there.

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    Few days back I was on the bike with the youngest (7) out in the country, no hurry, together time taking in the scenery and some clean air, little traffic, one lane each way with mostly ditches either side, pottering along in the middle of our lane to avoid sand, rocks, potholes and whatever but moving over whenever a vehicle approached from behind. As we approached a right hand bend some car came up from 2-300m behind so I moved over to give it a clear run. Suddenly this white flash from nowhere that missed us by about a metre, an oncoming vehicle overtaking another on the blind bend at lunatic speed, ploughing through where we were 4-5 seconds earlier. And had we been in the car it would have resulted in a certain head on at high speed, but on the bright side Khun director-general could get over that by simply adding a couple extra onto his next artificial body count.

    Foking psychos, shouldn't be just off the road but safely locked up.

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    The problem with the topic in this thread is it's real.

    The best medical care in the world cannot undo the damage that is done in a single moments carelessness.

    They talk and report about the deaths. Thai TV has more than enough “blood on the highway” overt aversion therapy examples broadcast daily. Yet, you would never know it by the raw stupidity displayed by the drivers on the road. (the creationists are right)

    I’m retired so my actual driving requirements are minimal. 3-4 times a week for shopping and infrequent visits. I approach driving in Thailand as if I’m in a game of dodgeball. Defensive Driving with a capital D.

    Strongly concerned that one of these wacko’s will broadside, rear end or head on causing mine or my wife’s death or, an even worse case such as a painful crippling.

    You frequently see accident victims hobbling around, limping, canes, wheelchairs. These are the fortunate ones. There are many crippled bedridden or wheelchair bound accident victims. In Thailand they are not a rarity.

    And yet, for all these many examples of the damage caused…

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    I approach driving in Thailand as if I’m in a game of dodgeball. Defensive Driving with a capital D.
    And that is the best approach. I drive all over Thailand in my truck, scooter and motorcycles. It is definitely something where you have to be aware of your surroundings. I just drove from Lampang to Sattahip (About 800km.) It was just a normal type drive like I experienced in the US all my life. Where I am very focused are the treks around small cities areas where they have as my wife says " Take care of yourself" intersections. This is where you see most of the video's on Thai news of crazy accidents.

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