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    Quote Originally Posted by Chittychangchang View Post
    Loads of competition on the market nowadays.
    Most car manufacturers make hybred or totally electric models now.
    Tesla and Musk are old news.
    Chitty mate do you just make this stuff up? In California and particularly Northern California Tesla is outselling all the competition driven by the model 3. Dont forget also that California is the 5th largest economy in the world..

    https://www.sfchronicle.com/business...s-14001829.php

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    That may be the case in California, I'm talking about the UK.
    Totally different ball game.

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    Tesla gigafactory 3 in China has shipped the first model 3 cars produced there. Groundbreaking to begin building the factory was january this year.

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    Hardly lightweight and certainly not like a fiat panda. It appears to be pretty good but not sure it's for me. A work colleague is picking his up on 20 Dec and will be driving it back to the UK. He enjoyed the test drive...interested to know his stop strategy on the way to Calais and how long each one will be. The Jag gets there on a single tank but I stop a couple of times for coffee.
    ...That's Munich to Calais, which is just shy of a 1000km run...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    That's Munich to Calais, which is just shy of a 1000km run...
    Doable with 1 full recharge which would take time and requires a charging station very near half distance. More reasonable at least 2, maybe 3 recharges to 80% which is quite fast at 20 minutes with superchargers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    Hardly lightweight and certainly not like a fiat panda.
    It does not aim for the look and feel of a luxury car. No velvet carpets, no root wood panels. The seats are top as are safety and technical data. Top utility, extremely low maintenance. Low total cost of ownership if you drive a lot. Not a city car, no shopping bag on wheels. Despite claims to the opposite they are way ahead of the competition in full self driving as well. Their approach is different and more universal than the competition. Hard to develop but cheap to implement once they got it down.

    Tesla builds their own super charger networks along the highways. Unlike other car manufacturers who call for the governments to make that investment.
    "don't attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico View Post
    I see Snubby is leaving this Thread alone
    3 months later and still no picture thread from him?

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    It will be extremely difficult for any of the legacy automotive manufacturers to catch Tesla. Most, (certainly not all) sales of an electric vehicle from a legacy auto company cannibalizes the sale of one of their ICE vehicles. Meanwhile the sale of most Tesla’s (certainly not all) are incremental sales. Brand loyalty among Tesla owners surpasses even Porsche, and that alone predicts the future.

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    Would you do this to your Tesla Model 3’s face? | Top Gear

    Would you do this to your Tesla Model 3’s face?
    Welcome to yet another option for the Tesla Model 3 owner who wants to make his or her car stand-out from the hundreds of thousands of others. It’s a bodykit by Startech, the bit of Brabus that tunes non-Mercs, and can be yours next month for a few thousand Euro.
    Available parts include a new front-bumper that totally changes the Model 3’s face, plus a new rear-bumper, spoiler and side-skirts. The bumpers will set you back just under €2,400, and you’ll pay another €440 for the wing. We’re told they’re made from “high-grade carbon” and something called “PUR-R-RIM”. What they do for range is anyone’s guess.

    Tesla Model 3-https_media-brabus-com_resources_persistent_c_7_8_e_c78ee383aa699fe1ab963e098b353a2b8244585d_sta-jpg

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    it's obvious that you desperately crave bsnub's attention....are you unaware that you can send him a PM?

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    The company Tesla , is a total securities fraud. They make ok cars but the company itself is an actual fraud. And it will collapse. Mark my fucking word.

    elon musk is a fucking criminal lowlife crony pseudo capitalist piece of festering dogshit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Tesla gigafactory 3 in China has shipped the first model 3 cars produced there. Groundbreaking to begin building the factory was january this year.
    It says that this box head logged in yesterday

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    Interior looks a bit bare. it looks like someone has glued an ipad to the dash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Interior looks a bit bare. it looks like someone has glued an ipad to the dash.
    Yeah the interior is pathetic. Looks like it was designed by a 10 year old

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    Quote Originally Posted by Backspin View Post
    The company Tesla , is a total securities fraud. They make ok cars but the company itself is an actual fraud. And it will collapse. Mark my fucking word.

    elon musk is a fucking criminal lowlife crony pseudo capitalist piece of festering dogshit
    As a standalone business Tesla appears to be haemorrhaging money. I don't see them producing much that's commercially profitable to justify a soaring stock price, except with generous subsidies, so it could be his cosmic ambitions that are politically attractive, and that's worth no end of gov injections.

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    If you want to see a company hemorraging money just look at GM. Tesla is expanding rapidly both in the car business and energy. They get carbon credits. Selling them is business. In Europe Fiat is paying them billions to avoid EU penalties.

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    Its all about the batteries. THere is a high chance Tesla motors will disappear in the not too distant future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Its all about the batteries. THere is a high chance Tesla motors will disappear in the not too distant future.

    Tesla has long term contracts with prime suppliers hard to match for legacy auto makers. They move into lithium mining, they move into making their own advanced batteries. T

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    Indeed.

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    TESLA WORST FOR RELIABILITY IN AMERICAN DRIVER SURVEY


    Other American brands came out top.

    ELECTRIC car company Tesla has ranked last for reliability in American survey of more than 87,000 buyers and lessees of new cars.

    The J.D. Power US Initial Quality Study, which gauges problems encountered in the first three months of ownership, included Tesla for the first time in 2020. It was separated from the other brands, however, as the Elon Musk-founded firm reportedly wouldn’t allow its customers to be surveyed in 15 of America’s 50 states, meaning that it didn’t meet the study’s ranking eligibility criteria.

    However, in the 35 states where Tesla owners were surveyed, it performed poorly. The study rates cars in terms of the number of problems per hundred cars (PP100), meaning that the lower a car maker’s score, the better initial build quality its cars have (according to its customers).

    Dodge and Kia achieved the best results, with 136 problems per 100 cars — no marque scored less than 100. They were followed mostly by American brands: Chevrolet and Ram (141), Genesis (142), Mitsubishi (148), Buick (150) and GMC (151). The top 10 was rounded out by car makers more familiar to Europeans: Volkswagen (152) and Hyundai (153).

    Premium brands popular with Brits performed badly, coming well below the industry average of 166 PP100, according to the JD Power results. Jaguar, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi and Land Rover all had more than 190 PP100 in their first three months, putting them at the very bottom of the main chart. However, Tesla’s score is far worse than Land Rover’s: its cars were found to have 250 PP100.

    American survey claims Tesla build quality issues
    Source: J.D. Power 2020 U.S. Initial Quality Study

    The results may raise eyebrows for a couple of reasons, not least the apparent bias for U.S. brands. Specific models from American car makers also did very well: the Chevrolet Sonic was voted the best small car; Chevrolet Malibu the best midsize car; Ford Mustang the best midsize sporty car; Cadillac CT5 the best midsize premium car; and Cadillac CT6 the best upper-midsize premium car. American cars won in five of the 11 categories and the Sonic was found to be the Highest Initial Quality Model overall.

    Americans are not, therefore, quick to throw home-grown brands under the bus, which perhaps makes it all the more surprising that California-based Tesla did so poorly.

    Its customers are often thought of as fiercely loyal, too, with members of the Tesla Owners Club UK Facebook group often offering matter-of-fact advice for drivers with issues. This morning, one post read: “I have tried a reset but the glove compartment will not open after pressing the button…any ideas?” One response asked if the car was in Valet mode. When told it wasn’t, they followed with: “ok. That’s the ‘normal’ cause of random glove locking. Try putting it on and turning it off?” Another good samaritan wrote: “Is there something in it? Sometimes with a bit of weight or downward pressure on the door the latch isn’t man enough to disengage. Try pushing up on the door whilst pressing the release…”

    The JD Power results are also surprising in that Tesla has performed well in some reliability tests this side of the Atlantic. When approached by Driving.co.uk, a spokesperson had no comment on the JD Power survey but pointed out that Tesla came fourth in the What Car? Reliability Survey 2019, with a score of 96.9%, behind only Lexus, Toyota and Suzuki.

    However, the results of the US study do corroborate anecdotal reports of build quality issues. Although it would not have been included in the JD Power survey, as deliveries only began just as the survey was closing, the Tesla Model Y has been highlighted for particular problems. Some American customers reported cars with boot lids that wouldn’t close and in which the back seats were not attached properly to the frame. There were also complaints of comparatively minor paint and trim issues.




    Tesla’s CEO Elon Musk sent an email to company employees at the beginning of this month which referred to the Model Y’s quality control issues. In the email he said: “It is extremely important for us to ramp up Model Y production and minimise rectification needs. I want you to know that it really makes a difference to Tesla right now.”

    Update: A previous version of this article suggested issues with the Model Y might have contributed to the JD Power results. Tesla contacted us to say the J.D. Power 2020 US Initial Quality Study was conducted between February 2019 and the end of March 2020, and Model Y deliveries didn’t start until the last week in March. We’re happy to clarify this above.
    Tesla worst for reliability in American driver survey
    I see a lot of teslas on the streets here in the UK, driven by smug looking types whose wives probably drive bmws or range rovers. Its not a particularly attractive looking car and environmentally its hardly any less damaging than a range rover given the processes needed to source the raw materials for and produce the batteries and then ship them half way around the world.

    car companies are jumping on the electric car bandwagon in much the same was as they jumped on the diesel bandwagon a few years ago, now nobody in the west wants a diesel even though they are cleaner than regular petrol engined cars.

    hydrogen power is the cleanest fuel for transportation, and i think will relegate electric cars to the scrapheap within 10 years, along with the redundant charging infrastructure that is costing billions to install.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    hydrogen power
    I look out of my window and in the distance on the sea is this
    PosHYdon hydrogen pilot | Neptune Energy

    Hydrogens dirty little secret. Gas (ohhh that nasty fossil fuel) is used to make the split the sea water so it's just a fossil fuel. 20 yrs ago I worked with a hydrogen fuel cell company and what they were working on, and still are, is trying to find a way to generate energy by splitting salt water, rather than a massive amount of energy needed to crack it which is the current scam being pushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    hydrogen power is the cleanest fuel for transportation, and i think will relegate electric cars to the scrapheap within 10 years, along with the redundant charging infrastructure that is costing billions to install.
    Hydrogen is the power of the future. It was 40 years ago and it will be 40 years from now. It will never be the energy of the present. It is extremely inefficient. Presently it is made from fossil fuels with huge CO2 footprint. In the future it might be made from regenerative power but still a great deal less efficient than battery storage instead of hydrogen electrolysis then consumed in fuel cells. At the very best it might become half as energy efficient than batteries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    trying to find a way to generate energy by splitting salt water
    Very easy to do. Just pour a shitton of electric power on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Very easy to do. Just pour a shitton of electric power on it.
    Generate energy from splitting, as opposed to, which you point out, using a shit ton on fossil fuel into splitting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Generate energy from splitting, as opposed to, which you point out, using a shit ton on fossil fuel into splitting it.
    Tell me you are kidding. That would be a perpetual motion machine. You need to put that energy in to split the water.

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