Thread: Comparing the cost of new and used cars

More a Western cost profile then Thai, but interesting non the less.

Sort of related.

A USA build comes out on top and it's cousin is second highest seller in Australia

Could be a USA perspective as no European cars make the top ten.

Looking for a new ride myself,it's an absolute minefield.
Considering a totally electric machine for environmental reasons.
Lot of choice on the market.

^while you still can. Older versions of Merc S class, BMW 7 Series or a Lexus. Audi or Jag as a reserve option.

All gone soon.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

A USA build comes out on top and it's cousin is second highest seller in Australia

Could be a USA perspective as no European cars make the top ten.

Definitely.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Considering a totally electric machine for environmental reasons.

If you want to buy an EV go right ahead but do your homework about how environmental friendly they really are. Sure, when you're driving along for that period before they need recharging they're great. But dig a bit deeper into what sort if energy it took to build one, how much energy it takes to keep one on the road, and what happens to them at the end of their life.

Not having a shot at you but there's a lot of people out there who think EV's will end the world's dependence on Oil & Gas. They won't.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Could be a USA perspective as no European cars make the top ten.

Could be a US survey or compilation.

I doubt US cars make a German or French survey either.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

Could be a US survey or compilation.

The first video was from Bank of America. The second video was from Consumer Reports, New York.

Interesting to see that 9 out of the 10 cars featured were Japanese.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Looking for a new ride myself,it's an absolute minefield.
Considering a totally electric machine for environmental reasons.
Lot of choice on the market.

Chit you are right.

We've entered that period like we did with Puters when the pace of change picked up and if you bought one it was out of date in 6 months.

What is clear in the UK is that Diesel is going to get priced/legislated off the road for all but commercial vehicles, albeit they say the latest generation are as EF as petrol.

Govts are committing to seek all electric as a goal within 10-20 years.

If you go electric the battery is the issue being the big cost and development can see old ones outmoded in a matter of years, and so the sensible choice seems to be Buy the vehicle and lease the battery - Nissan and Renault seem to be the most popular.

Originally Posted by NamPikToot

Govts are committing to seek all electric as a goal within 10-20 years.

I will never buy an electric vehicle until they improve their range greatly. You pay a lot of money for them but you can only drive a couple of hundred miles then you have to wait for hours to charge the battery. Give me petrol engines anyday; a 5 minute fuel fill-up and you're good to go for another 300 miles. If governments ever ban the sale of new petrol engines, I'll be buying second hand.

I've got a hybrid that's about four years old now and one thing I have noticed is that the battery is noticeably quicker to drain and harder to charge.

Nev you are right, they don't give the range but that is improving, its the freedom issue too that charging vs fill up at a station but this really a face off between big oil and environmentalists and big oil is paying lip service to eco at present - Govts get loads of tax from oil and so they'll have to replace that revenue somehow.

Originally Posted by Neverna

I will never buy an electric vehicle until they improve their range greatly. You pay a lot of money for them but you can only drive a couple of hundred miles then you have to wait for hours to charge the battery. Give me petrol engines anyday; a 5 minute fuel fill-up and you're good to go for another 300 miles. If governments ever ban the sale of new petrol engines, I'll be buying second hand.

BMW i3 looks OK with Range Extender engine.

Originally Posted by Neverna

I will never buy an electric vehicle until they improve their range greatly

Agree but at some point in future infrastucture such as battery swap stations will proliferate to support electric vehicles. Until then, the recharge time issue is a good reason not to purchase.

Originally Posted by Norton

battery swap stations

That's a good idea.

(Assuming like for like in quality is possible. I wouldn't want to swap my new battery with Ant's aging battery ).

Originally Posted by OhOh

Why own 1 let alone 2? Most private cars sit idle for 80+% of their life.

Car ownership is insanely expensive considering the amount of idle time. I use my car 2 days a week at most.

If autonomous driving is made a reality car ownership will be dead within 5 years and good riddance.

The car can come to you on an as needed basis and you don't even have to drive it when it gets there. You can read a book or post shit on TeakDoor on your way to the beach.

Zero traffic stress.

Autonomous vehicles won't ever get in jams either and traffic lights will become redundant as autonomous cars can weave between each other across junctions without even reducing speed.

Muppets will be forever gone from roads.

Bliss.

The only downside being that 10 minute dashcam driving muppet youtube compilations will become a thing of the past.

I'm not sure if autonomous cars are suitable for Thailand.

Having experienced the uber system during my last holiday there already is an alternative in some locations. The driver/owner finances seems to be dubious but there appears to be sufficient supply of willing people to enter the supply side.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Why own 1 let alone 2?

Convenience.

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Why own a car?

• Almost any small business
• Country drives.
• Babies (baby seats and all that)
• Children (young)
• Dogs
• Fishing
• Surfing
• Home Handyman ... I've taken so much stuff around.
• Towing boats/Caravans/Trailers.
• Holidays
• ... to name a few

My neighbour doesn't own a car, nor has a licence.
He lives a solitary life, no kids, no partner, takes the taxi to the Pup/Grocery Shopping and to go to the Train Station to attend the Taylor Swift concerts.

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Just as aside our Family owns 1 car.

Runs on LPG^* ... a waste product.


^*LPG is produced during oil refining or is extracted during the natural gas production process

Originally Posted by Looper

If autonomous driving is made a reality car ownership will be dead within 5 years and good riddance.

It will be a reality and a lot sooner than most realize that and the trucking industry will be fully automated most likely in the next ten years. Lots of jobs will be lost but the progress is inevitable at this point.

Originally Posted by bsnub

It will be a reality and a lot sooner than most realize that and the trucking industry will be fully automated most likely in the next ten years. Lots of jobs will be lost but the progress is inevitable at this point.

Are there places in the USA say, Alaska? a lot of Canada?

Most of the centre of Australia that don't have reliable internet or no internet coverage?

Not saying your direction is wrong ... but 10 years?

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Most of the centre of Australia that don't have reliable internet or no internet coverage?

The vehicle can have a stored google map in its memory. Then it only needs a GPS signal to navigate. Just like me on my world tour of Tasmania in 2017 (where the internet has barely penetrated the land that time forgot).

Your main reason is convenience, which I agree with.

Your detailed list could be accommodated by a more specialised Uber type operation.

Country Drives, Babies, Children, dogs - Enhanced driver type selection granularity

Fishing, Surfing, Home Handyman ... I've taken so much stuff around, Towing boats/Caravans/Trailers. - Enhanced vehicle type granularity.

Touring Holidays, possibly depending on the service available. Single resort holidays not so much.

But having experienced the uber style timely response, service and cost in and around Dallas recently, all organised by my app savvy kids I might add, if it were available to you, the convenience difference is minimal.

There were some grumbles from the uber drivers when I asked how they felt about their work.

One guy mentioned that he was booked for a pickup at Dallas city centre at a certain time, he also accepted my trip from Dallas airport to my hotel in central Dallas prior to that pickup. Whilst I was being driven to the hotel he was on the phone to the service and was told he had lost the Dallas centre - airport return fare. I was under the impression, as he was, that once accepted the fare was the drivers. Luckily the roads were clear as he was getting quite annoyed with the dispatcher. He did appear to get the return fare back as his though. All the local trips to various functions were excellent. All the cars were "limousine" quality and the drivers polite.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Most of the centre of Australia that don't have reliable internet or no internet coverage?

As Looper has said it is not needed btw Satellite internet is soon to be a worldwide (and affordable) thing.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Not saying your direction is wrong ... but 10 years?

The pace of automation, ai and tech in the next ten years will boggle most minds. I do not think that most people can comprehend what is just right around the corner. It's going to catch most off guard.