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    The auto braking when approaching a brick wall was a saver when teaching the wife to drive. She managed a flawless hour and then stuck her foot on the power, instead of brake, when parking next to the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    It is an off-roader though and pretty okay with it, but won't pull a plough in the paddy..
    I doubt I would every "off road" in it. At least not the way I do. But using it on a dirt or muddy road where the 4 wheel traction control would be used is a big plus. Underneath has zero skid plate protection from rocks or big debris and clipping the rear suspension on things would be an expensive fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The auto braking when approaching a brick wall was a saver when teaching the wife to drive. She managed a flawless hour and then stuck her foot on the power, instead of brake, when parking next to the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    what ?

    maybe with your concern over form vs function you should be posting in the girls motoring in thailand subforum
    No.
    If i don't like the look of something, i won't buy it.
    Is that too difficult to understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    I agree, slamming one would look ghetto. But a few inches would make a cleaner ride height and stance. IMHO the SUV is not an Off road vehicle. Like you I have my Hilux lifted but its for specific reasons primary being tire clearance for larger tires.
    Yep, live and let live. Apologies if I came across too negative. its all meant to be fun!


    Originally Posted by baldrick
    what ?


    maybe with your concern over form vs function you should be posting in the girls motoring in thailand subforum

    Nice to see why Baldrick is on my ignore list though. Won't be amending that any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish View Post
    Yep, live and let live. Apologies if I came across too negative. its all meant to be fun!
    You did not come off negative. Just BS chat in the forum like a couple of guys having a beer talkin car stuff.

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    Basically, it's a Fortuner with 60% more depreciation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy View Post
    The auto braking when approaching a brick wall was a saver when teaching the wife to drive. She managed a flawless hour and then stuck her foot on the power, instead of brake, when parking next to the house.
    kin hell Troy didn't you go to Cockpit and get them to strap on used tyres to the front and rear bumpers

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro01 View Post
    Basically, it's a Fortuner with 60% more depreciation
    Prob so, But who buys any car with the belief it will hold its value. Vehicles are money pits but if you are gonna buy one, enjoy it. Of course if one is a person who swaps out his cars every 2 years or so depreciation could be a huge deal. I usually keep vehicles 10 years before I opt to look at a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    ..... I have never heard of a car that was either in park (auto trans) or 1st or reverse gear (manual tranny) go rogue and crash and hurt people.
    Locally there was an incident a few years ago.
    Young folk standing around a campfire at night downhill from where their vehicles were parked, stereo on 'loud'.
    4WD in gear (manual) and no handbrake starts slowly chugging down the hill as the pistons aren't held stopped by engine compression.
    4WD rams woman into campfire. She died of the burns eventually.

    Handbrake = good when used ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    But who buys any car with the belief it will hold its value. Vehicles are money pits but if you are gonna buy one, enjoy it.
    Spot on, they lose money the moment you turn the key and drive them.

    Unless you're going to buy, maintain and store, one and hold on to it for 20-30+ years you are going to lose money.

    And who knows what of today's cars will become tomorrows classics either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro01 View Post
    Basically, it's a Fortuner with 60% more depreciation
    At least it has a proper spare wheel and drinks less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedro01 View Post
    Basically, it's a Fortuner with 60% more depreciation
    So at 5 yrs the 1.7m Fortuner will be worth around 50%, say 850K. The 1.5m Pajero [using your figures] 300K..... I'm not sure that's a real world analysis.

    The only reliable figures I can find come from the RAA in Oz. They put depreciation at a similar % rate for both [but better than Isuzu/GM] which means greater real dollar loss per annum for the Toyota due its higher entry cost.

    So a break even in Thailand would mean a loss of 850k [50% of the Toyota new price]. That gives 5yr residuals of 850k/650k. A greater depreciation by 30% on the Pajero. Realistic? Maybe. Consider the lower Mitsubishi running costs - fuel/servicing - [RAA put the Fortuner about 12.5% greater] and the Pajero gains some ground. 100k km over 5 yrs comes in around THB80k difference. So anything above 570k residual on the Mitsubishi would be an overall saving.

    As the old saying goes, measure with a micrometer, mark it with a paintbrush and then go cut it with an axe: I personally didn't look at any of the financials when buying the wife's Pajero Sport. Just chose the one that drives better on road, quieter, more comfortable seats and a usable 3rd row/cargo area.

    Fortuner does look a bit better though, if you need that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobfish View Post
    So at 5 yrs the 1.7m Fortuner will be worth around 50%, say 850K. The 1.5m Pajero [using your figures] 300K..... I'm not sure that's a real world analysis.

    The only reliable figures I can find come from the RAA in Oz. They put depreciation at a similar % rate for both [but better than Isuzu/GM] which means greater real dollar loss per annum for the Toyota due its higher entry cost.

    So a break even in Thailand would mean a loss of 850k [50% of the Toyota new price]. That gives 5yr residuals of 850k/650k. A greater depreciation by 30% on the Pajero. Realistic? Maybe. Consider the lower Mitsubishi running costs - fuel/servicing - [RAA put the Fortuner about 12.5% greater] and the Pajero gains some ground. 100k km over 5 yrs comes in around THB80k difference. So anything above 570k residual on the Mitsubishi would be an overall saving.

    As the old saying goes, measure with a micrometer, mark it with a paintbrush and then go cut it with an axe: I personally didn't look at any of the financials when buying the wife's Pajero Sport. Just chose the one that drives better on road, quieter, more comfortable seats and a usable 3rd row/cargo area.

    Fortuner does look a bit better though, if you need that.
    Good Informative post.

    I am in agreement the Fortuner does have a bit of an aesthetics edge over the PS. Its a tough balance as each persons eyes are different in what they find ugly and appealing. I think its close for both the top SUV's here. That said the warranty and service agreement for the PS is far better then the Fortuners. If you add in all the extras we received plus the cash discount, we saved nearly 350k baht off the Fortuner. Our closing price was just a bit under 1.4mil baht. But again buying a vehicle now has to be about comfort, quality, reliability and service. If I felt the Fortuner or the Isuzu was a better SUV I would have leaned to them because of the reliability. My days of droppin big coin on top end cars are over. Been there, done that, owned a few. I just saw the new Range Rover Sport (about the size of a CRV) at the mall the other day. 5.6mil baht. I just laughed. Imagine the depreciation on that thing. Of course if one is flush in cash, who cares. I used to be the same way in that states years back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Good Informative post.
    Unlike anything from the pedro file.

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    Thought I would do an update on the Pajero sport. We have 30km on it and here are my opinions;

    Pros
    • Great fuel economy for a SUV
    • Depending on your preference, very comfortable ride.
    • Ergonomics for driver very good
    • Good carry space in back
    • 7 seating is OK for short to medium travel
    • Very good entertainment system


    Cons
    • I do not care for the ride quality, to me it wallows around a lot. Now in fairness I like a good stiff suspension vehicle where you have good road feel hence better road control. This feels like it needs shocks, tires and a few other suspension upgrades
    • Power is soft. Explains the good fuel economy.
    • The split fold down rear seat is OK, but you cannot split it cleanly. One side interferes with the other.
    • here is my biggest issue, It has WAY to many alarms and notifications when driving. All the sensors go on and off constantly. When a scooter comes to a stoplight and is to close it rings and rings to the point you have to move away to get the thing to stop. If a car cuts to close to you passing the front sensor chimes and wants to apply the brakes. You cannot disable all that.


    Overall its a good ride for those not really caring much about suspension feel and can ignore all the alarms. I personally do not like to drive it and usually do not. Its a lot of work and after a 10 hr drive you are tired of driving it and fighting off the alarms.

    I LOVE my Hilux.

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    ^ thanks for the update, another when you get to 60Kms would be useful. On the power, i thought you were getting it dialed in?

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    Will do. Naaah I am not upgrading it. Its my wife's ride. She loves it.

    As for my Hilux, well that is in constant flux. Just order my Racechip GTS. As stated, it will take it to 221hp and 563ftlbs tq. I will do a road test before and after. Plus I can change setting on my phone app. I was going to go with an ECU shop set up but I do not want to be changing AF and boost control maps on my laptop. I just wanted about 50HP more and 100 ft lbs more tq.

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    ^ You can turn all the bells and whistles off.

    I have lane assist, cars that come to close beep and a few other sensor things turned off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Ya know its funny about parking brakes. I lived in California near SF Bay area and there are numerous steep hills and I still never used them. I guess it was because to this day I have never heard of a car that was either in park (auto trans) or 1st or reverse gear (manual tranny) go rogue and crash and hurt people. Usually the rollers or runaway vehicles are the ones that the owner left them in neutral. I think with the advent of the auto trans, parking brakes have little or no value but they need to be in there to protect insurance and auto makers from the one or two people that are dopes.

    I'll bet you were mindful of "curbing" your wheels in San Francisco. The police are truly on top of those who don't.

    Maybe you're old enough to recall in the 70's how a car was parked West of the BofA building at 555 CAlifornia St. and failed to curb the wheels. It rolled down the street and had a direct hit on the tiny flower shop that was at the corner of the BofA property. Good fortune was on the side of the flower shop's tender that day as the person was not in the shop and therefore survived.

    I live on a hill in a hilly area and there's virtually no one who I've seen who curbs his wheels. I'm of the habit of doing so, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon View Post
    ^ You can turn all the bells and whistles off.

    I have lane assist, cars that come to close beep and a few other sensor things turned off.
    Actually the only one you can turn off is the lane assist which I do. The rest are full on. I have been digging through some Pajero forums looking at ways to disable all of it. The brake function you can only adjust the distance but it is always on and that one is the worst IMHO. I do not need assistance from a computer on how to brake. I have also tried to turn off the beeping in reverse, that's linked to the ECU and back up Camera.

    While many think all these bells and whistles assist them, they do exactly the opposite for me. Nothing is more alarming then when your dash flashes and your brakes react and make odd noises just because someone gets near you.

    Again though, these are my ownership opinions. Over all I think its a descent vehicle for my wife, just glad I do not drive it

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    Quote Originally Posted by cisco999 View Post
    Maybe you're old enough to recall in the 70's how a car was parked West of the BofA building at 555 CAlifornia St
    I do not remember but I am not that old however I do know that curbing wheels is still mandated for the most part. Again the only incidents I have ever heard of were people who left their car in neutral and applied the parking brake but the car slowly crept away.

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    Fuck, my tinder dates drove better cars and I've got pictures to prove it.

    Odd bragging thread from supposedly jetsetting Farang in Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourDaddy View Post
    Odd bragging thread from supposedly jetsetting Farang in Thailand
    Bragging? Fuck man...you are such a tool YD. It's called a driver/owner review.

    You need to find another site to pollute with your pathetic diatribe.. I think you are upset I gave you a Red for that Troll thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourDaddy View Post
    Fuck, my tinder dates drove better cars and I've got pictures to prove it.

    Odd bragging thread from supposedly jetsetting Farang in Thailand
    What car do you own YD?
    Oh, I thought so..

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