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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Always maintain a steady rate of speed and do not stop until river is crossed.
    Jeez, you're a retard. It was a fucking puddle about a foot deep, not a fucking river. It wouldn't even reach the exhaust, let alone defy gravity and rise up the exhaust manifold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Always maintain a steady rate of speed and do not stop until river is crossed.
    Jeez, you're a retard. It was a fucking puddle about a foot deep, not a fucking river. It wouldn't even reach the exhaust, let alone defy gravity and rise up the exhaust manifold.
    I have to agree. My own experience last week involved driving through a depth of two feet of water for about eight yards. An unusual flash flood had caused a junction between a downhill slip road and an uphill main road to be filled with water. I have never seen a flood there before and , given the knowledge I now have, I would never volunteer to drive a Zafira through such a thing again. Nevertheless, I drove through , without panic, and slipped the clutch at about 3000 revs. Everything was fine.

    One foot of water wouldn't stop any car, it would just about stop my Bichon Frise if he wanted to walk through it, although my Cocker Spaniel would cope, no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt
    Always maintain a steady rate of speed and do not stop until river is crossed.
    Jeez, you're a retard. It was a fucking puddle about a foot deep, not a fucking river. It wouldn't even reach the exhaust, let alone defy gravity and rise up the exhaust manifold.

    Actually it was a puddle that was approx 500m in length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles
    Actually it was a puddle that was approx 500m in length.
    That's an altogether different scenario. It's a well known fact that Rangers cannot travel more than 490 metres on wet roads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Jeez, you're a retard. It was a fucking puddle about a foot deep, not a fucking river. It wouldn't even reach the exhaust, let alone defy gravity and rise up the exhaust manifold.
    do you actually read anything or just thrash about with the keyboards? Idiot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Jeez, you're a retard. It was a fucking puddle about a foot deep, not a fucking river. It wouldn't even reach the exhaust, let alone defy gravity and rise up the exhaust manifold.
    do you actually read anything or just thrash about with the keyboards? Idiot!
    I have the same Ranger as Fondles, from the road surface to the bottom of the exhaust pipe outlet at the rear of the car is a distance of 480mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    have the same Ranger as Fondles, from the road surface to the bottom of the exhaust pipe outlet at the rear of the car is a distance of 480mm.
    Thanks for the red following my post above. Either you cannot read or you do not appreciate the nature of sarcasm. I agree that the Ranger can drive through deep water and that the depth that Mr Fondles drove through was negligible. Water would not have entered his vehicle via the exhaust pipe.

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    They sell a kit for many trucks that place the plastic intake tube way up near the top of the roof. As long as the intake system and engine are sealed up correctly you would be able to drive right through anything shallower than the top of the engine itself again as long as the engine is sealed up good. I think they equip them on military vechicles.

    Sounds like your intake system was not sealed up right and somehow the water splashed up into it. It only takes a very small amount of water to grenade an engine as water is not compressible and the distance from the top of the pistons to the intake chambers is almost nothing.
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    There must be thousands of similar claims if you ran through such a small amount of water and got it in the engine.

    Just a thought, if it comes to it and you're American depending on which state you reside, you may be able to sue them there.
    I put the link for those who call me nuts for saying that, but if you cannot get recourse here, consider talking to a so call Lemon Law attorney in your home State. Ford certainly has a presence there and that satisfies the jurisdictional requirements for most long arm statutes.

    Long-Arm Statute legal definition of Long-Arm Statute. Long-Arm Statute synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    Since 1963, all states and the District of Columbia have enacted long-arm statutes. Long-arm statutes tend to fall into one of two categories. The first enumerates factual situations likely to satisfy the minimum-contacts test of International Shoe. The second type is much broader: it provides jurisdiction over an individual or corporation as long as that jurisdiction is not inconsistent with constitutional restrictions

    PS: Good luck to you, and you're lucky enough to get it done here at the dealers expense, I hope it's done right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    Just a thought, if it comes to it and you're American depending on which state you reside, you may be able to sue them there.
    He's an Aussie residing in Thailand.

    Contrary to the US government's belief, US law doesn't apply outside the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    Just a thought, if it comes to it and you're American depending on which state you reside, you may be able to sue them there.
    He's an Aussie residing in Thailand.

    Contrary to the US government's belief, US law doesn't apply outside the US.
    Incorrect.

    The IRS is worldwide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by BobR
    Just a thought, if it comes to it and you're American depending on which state you reside, you may be able to sue them there.
    He's an Aussie residing in Thailand.

    Contrary to the US government's belief, US law doesn't apply outside the US.
    Beating the Ford Corporate drum has resulted in a call from Ford Thailand yesterday offering me a 40% discount on any parts required to get my Ranger back on the road... nice initial monetary reaction but I reckon they will sharpen their pencil a little better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobR View Post
    There must be thousands of similar claims if you ran through such a small amount of water and got it in the engine.
    I know of a few others with exactly the same issue however they were fleet vehicles and Ford (Laos and Indonesia) did not hesitate to fit new engines under warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beazalbob69 View Post
    They sell a kit for many trucks that place the plastic intake tube way up near the top of the roof. As long as the intake system and engine are sealed up correctly you would be able to drive right through anything shallower than the top of the engine itself again as long as the engine is sealed up good. I think they equip them on military vechicles.
    We have numerous development vehicles at work fitted with them (we actually sell them as part of a mining spec upgrade) and the Thai Police do not like them and infact 2 staff members have been fined....... fucks me what is illegal about them but these were legit fines and not just full filling old mateys request for tea money.


    Quote Originally Posted by beazalbob69 View Post
    Sounds like your intake system was not sealed up right and somehow the water splashed up into it. It only takes a very small amount of water to grenade an engine as water is not compressible and the distance from the top of the pistons to the intake chambers is almost nothing.
    On an 8 month pickup one would expect everything to be as it should be hence why Ford should pay for repairs as it was drivin within spec (mechanically and water depth).

    Diesels have a fairly deep "combustion chamber" in the pistons but yes it does not take much water, we (Work R&D testing) had one in 1000mm of water and it hydro'd so hard it kicked 2 conrods outta the side of the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles
    Thai Police do not like them and infact 2 staff members have been fined....... fucks me what is illegal about them but these were legit fines and not just full filling old mateys request for tea money.
    I will have to keep that in mind if I ever think of installing one on my D-Max.

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    Quote Originally Posted by can123
    Either you cannot read or you do not appreciate the nature of sarcasm
    I had no idea you were being sarcastic. I just thought you were talking shite as usual.

    I had a roll around the ground under mine today, gotta say its a mystery how water 300mm deep could make its way into the intake tract. Just doesn't seem physically possible.
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    It has always been "approx" 300mm........... a figure I came at from a visual of the water level to my side steps when the vehicle stopped and opened the door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    I had no idea you were being sarcastic.
    This was due to your inability to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    Jeez, you're a retard. It was a fucking puddle about a foot deep, not a fucking river. It wouldn't even reach the exhaust, let alone defy gravity and rise up the exhaust manifold.
    do you actually read anything or just thrash about with the keyboards? Idiot!
    I have the same Ranger as Fondles, from the road surface to the bottom of the exhaust pipe outlet at the rear of the car is a distance of 480mm.
    So? How did he get water into the exhaust then? Is there a different cause of the trucks engine failure?

    Was the water deeper than reported and while crossing he let the engine die and on restart created a vacuum that sucked (siphoned) the water into the engine?

    I own a 4x4 Vigo and have crossed and driven through many flooded roadways and river overflows while living in Thailand and never had any engine problems as reported. All my trucks are or were diesel as well.

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    Who's had water enter the engine via the exhaust ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles
    Who's had water enter the engine via the exhaust ?
    So you had a cracked head or blown head gasket and hence the problem? No sign of overheating? To many RPM's and you bent the rods?

    Please explain the cause of your engines "failure?" Certainly not due to water immersion and sucking water back-flow into the engine through the exhaust? Perhaps it came in through the air supply to the carbirator or turbine if you have one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crepitas View Post
    ...basic rule when wading, keep moving>creat constant bow wave..ie .don't enter water till clear of traffic>piss off following vehicles..so what..
    boats use a vented loop antisyphon box in exhaust.
    As long as vehicle engine is running water ingress very unlikely but possible if slow idling.

    ..sto[ped engine can syphon on vehicles.
    Truck diesels have an electric fuel supply solenoid>>

    So..truck stops in water..electrics get wet,short,engine stops
    water syphons up exaust..bit of water in cylinders..try to rrstart

    Bang?

    jus what I fink
    Written by someone that has absolutely no idea of how an engine actually works or how the laws of physics work. The only way water can get into the ebgine is via the air intake. That is why trucks designed to go seriously off road and through water are fitted with a snorkel device to raise the height of the air intake. They don't raise the height of the exhaust as even on tick over the pressure of the exhaust gases stops any water from entering the system. For water to syphon the water level has to be higher than the point at which it syphons to. Try syphoning water from a tray on the floor to a cup on the coffee table ans let us know how you get on
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    The only way water can get into the ebgine is via the air intake.
    Maybe it got in from the fuel tank?

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    To all the member mechanical minded put your hands up, I see no hands up
    Fondles some people have no Idea, they think they have a Idea.

    I have pulled many head of Engines 4, 6 & V8.
    When you remove the head there is always water in 1 or 2 pistons as water runs out of the jacket when the head is removed of the block.
    The only engine that has no water on the piston is the old VW bug

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    Quote Originally Posted by quimbian corholla View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Big Fella
    The only way water can get into the engine is via the air intake.
    Maybe it got in from the fuel tank?
    The fuel filter has a water trap
    Also how did the water get into the fuel tank by simply driving through some water ?
    The damage done to the engine was done by water entering through the air intake whilst the engine was running at rev's. once the water enters the engine via the air intake the next stroke is to compress the fuel / air mixture. The only trouble is it now contains water which you cannot compress which is what does the damage.

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