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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    At the end of the day the car clearly has a dubious history behind it, it really fascinates me how it has came from the UK and ended up in Bangkok with no documentation at all...
    Why?

    Some gypo ring has collected a heap of damaged and/or stolen cars and sent them on a boat to Asia to dump for profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    At the end of the day the car clearly has a dubious history behind it, it really fascinates me how it has came from the UK and ended up in Bangkok with no documentation at all...
    Why?

    Some gypo ring has collected a heap of damaged and/or stolen cars and sent them on a boat to Asia to dump for profit.
    If you think I am trolling then that's cool, think what you want, I'm simply making a thread about the possibility of buying a car with no paperwork and was asking for peoples thoughts, sorry about that

    What fascinated me is that I was always under the impression that used cars could not be imported to Thailand so cannot understand how this made it here, you could not simply send it on a boat and that be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    What fascinated me is that I was always under the impression that used cars could not be imported to Thailand
    You've said that a couple of times and it is wrong.

    You cannot import used cars into Thailand, but many others can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw View Post

    In the UK I was a motor trader, nothing major but bought and sold between two and four cars per month, I bought a fair few without logbooks and never ever had a problem, the HPI Check also tells you if it is on the police register as being stolen, I know this of course doesn't give proof of the sellers right to actually sell the car but I believe you can usually make a good judgement when going through with the deal.
    Why would you buy a car without proper paperwork in the UK when it's a fairly simple process for a legitimate owner to obtain a replacement?

    Having had a car stolen in the US and a bike stolen in Thailand (only a Wave, but it was brand-new) I have a special contempt for people who will basically work in conjunction with possible thieves (in essence becoming a 'fence') to turn a quick buck- they see dollar signs (or see a way to own a vehicle they otherwise couldn't obtain) and become willing to engage in shady practices at what is most likely someone else's expense.

    I have a family connection in the auto parts importing business in Thailand- I've been told that if you find a vehicle with missing or dodgy paperwork in LOS, you can be virtually certain it was brought in to the country illegally and was very likely stolen from somewhere else- there are a lot of people who make a living doing it- it's pretty obvious something is wrong with your potential 'deal', and you really shouldn't have to post asking the question.

    If you knew this was a stolen vehicle but could be assured of making money on it without being caught, would you still be willing to engage in this deal? It seems like making money is your primary concern, when the provenance of the vehicle should be of the most importance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    What fascinated me is that I was always under the impression that used cars could not be imported to Thailand so cannot understand how this made it here, you could not simply send it on a boat and that be it.
    The irony is that the cars have to be cut into a minimum of 3 pieces to be imported under the "spares" tariff. So many times a perfectly decent motor has a 1 foot section cut from the middle of it and is put back together (cut and shut) once in Thailand. Cut n Shut are'nt known to be to tasty from the get go, but couple that with being welded back together by a 12 year old kid from burma with his "My first welding kit" - best left to utter mugs looking for glory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw View Post
    Thanks for the replies guys!

    I must admit I didn't think of the VIN Check, I just HPI'd the car and as it has came up with a UK reg number and that it was a previous category D Write off there in the UK, I don't have any idea of how you can check it in Thailand (If you can?)

    Seems very strange how it is in Bangkok and has came from the UK yet has no paperwork at all, I thought that it was impossible to import used cars to Thailand? It certainly hasn't been cut in half either as I've looked at it...

    It does seem quite dodgy and I certainly wouldn't drive it around myself..Guess I should give it a miss.
    Before they tampered with car imports and closed some loopholes to open others it was a bitch, but pretty straightforward with a connected Thai up front to import cars from the UK, and esp Japan.

    But there was no need to cut them in half, just dismantle, engine and chassis in separate containers headed for different addresses, pay customs and a load of other extras including luxury tax of 650k where applicable, have LPG fitted or pay for a bypass, get it tested or pay for a bypass, have your Thai deal with a string of tests and checks and envelopes, and when you have a sheaf of the right paperwork it could be registered.

    Another thing you might consider if you know it's an illegal car, either a nicked import or otherwise not properly registered, and if you have trusted as in trusted connections, is to buy the car and then have it confiscated by the police.

    Sounds droll, but then the car is put up for auction, and guess what - not even Thai police are allowed to sell an illegal car, so it goes to auction only after properly registered with support paperwork. Iow, they do your legwork, new lamps for old, and now you put in your pre-agreed pre-auction offer to take possession of a legal car. Note also that (as of a few months ago though probably same now) the informant for a car confiscation gets 30% bounty on the auction price.

    Sounds easy, but lots of potholes so a case of who rather than what you know.

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    Note: Luxury tax is variable, so you could get away with a far lower amount than you should legally pay, but when it comes for license renewal they're likely to point out that your tax paid doesn't match the value of the vehicle on their charts, and now you are on a bureaucratic ride to hell.

    Iow, you could buy a perfectly legal car with full paperwork, and still end up with serious issues if the vendor/importer decided to save money by cutting corners and to hell with whoever buys it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    If it were left hand drive I would buy it and take it to Laos
    Could you just clarify for us how you would go about this?

    That is, taking a car out of Thailand which has no green book.

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    Using big bike without a green book is one thing but cars are another.
    How about a bike with a fake green book like yours? You obviously have no problem buying a bike of suspect provenance- so the only reason not to buy a potentially stolen car is because you might get caught? Don't worry if it's a Benz, though- the cops are happy to give hi-so thieves a miss, I guess...
    Could you provide me a link to where I said I have a fake green book?

    I think you will find that I said I have photocopies of a green book, but no physical green book.

    For me, having the correct import invoices, the correct docs that show import duty has been paid is enough. I'm happy to ride my bike on the road with this. Many do, many don't.

    All the fake stuff that came with my bike has been removed and tossed aside, the existence of these fake docs and items does not equate to it being stolen, only somebody of limited intelligence would make that leap.

    Your claim that I am happy to purchase stolen property is wrong and you should cease making that kind of accusation.
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    The recent burning of exotic cars on a transporter here brought a lot of unwanted attention to the illegal business of bringing in this sort of automobile without the proper paperwork as well and most importantly, without having paid the taxes/duty required on said vehicles.

    The Thai Criminal Investigation Department is all over these cars, dealers and owners. So much so that owners and dealers were trying to move these vehicles out of Thailand to safe houses for later trans shipment to approving countries who would no doubt look the other way.

    Big Bucks are involved and very high up Thai's. I wouldn't touch that Benz if I were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw View Post

    In the UK I was a motor trader, nothing major but bought and sold between two and four cars per month, I bought a fair few without logbooks and never ever had a problem, the HPI Check also tells you if it is on the police register as being stolen, I know this of course doesn't give proof of the sellers right to actually sell the car but I believe you can usually make a good judgement when going through with the deal.
    Why would you buy a car without proper paperwork in the UK when it's a fairly simple process for a legitimate owner to obtain a replacement?

    Having had a car stolen in the US and a bike stolen in Thailand (only a Wave, but it was brand-new) I have a special contempt for people who will basically work in conjunction with possible thieves (in essence becoming a 'fence') to turn a quick buck- they see dollar signs (or see a way to own a vehicle they otherwise couldn't obtain) and become willing to engage in shady practices at what is most likely someone else's expense.

    I have a family connection in the auto parts importing business in Thailand- I've been told that if you find a vehicle with missing or dodgy paperwork in LOS, you can be virtually certain it was brought in to the country illegally and was very likely stolen from somewhere else- there are a lot of people who make a living doing it- it's pretty obvious something is wrong with your potential 'deal', and you really shouldn't have to post asking the question.

    If you knew this was a stolen vehicle but could be assured of making money on it without being caught, would you still be willing to engage in this deal? It seems like making money is your primary concern, when the provenance of the vehicle should be of the most importance.
    I would only buy cars in the UK with no V5 when you could tell what the story was, there are perfectly genuine reasons why someone would not have the V5 such as when an elderly relative died and they had to clear out their house and get everything gone.

    I certainly would not be in to purchasing stolen vehicles, in the UK I knew someone who was always offering me cheap motocross bikes which I could have made a quick and easy profit on but I never did because it is against my principles.

    This car has of course got a shady history hence why it is now in Bangkok with no paperwork, I do however know that it is not stolen as I HPI'd it and it came up clear from a theft point of view.

    If I knew it was a stolen car no of course I would not buy it, I love cars and have spent a lot of time and money on mine so I would certainly not buy someone else's stolen car.

    As for making a profit, yes that would be nice, we do after all have to make a living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    What fascinated me is that I was always under the impression that used cars could not be imported to Thailand so cannot understand how this made it here, you could not simply send it on a boat and that be it.
    The irony is that the cars have to be cut into a minimum of 3 pieces to be imported under the "spares" tariff. So many times a perfectly decent motor has a 1 foot section cut from the middle of it and is put back together (cut and shut) once in Thailand. Cut n Shut are'nt known to be to tasty from the get go, but couple that with being welded back together by a 12 year old kid from burma with his "My first welding kit" - best left to utter mugs looking for glory.
    This car hasn't been cut up and welded back together, I guess if you have the right connections then you can get around these regulations, only thing is that I cannot understand why if some well connected Thai managed to import the car they didn't manage to get it registered?

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    Thanks for the replies guys!

    I must admit I didn't think of the VIN Check, I just HPI'd the car and as it has came up with a UK reg number and that it was a previous category D Write off there in the UK, I don't have any idea of how you can check it in Thailand (If you can?)

    Seems very strange how it is in Bangkok and has came from the UK yet has no paperwork at all, I thought that it was impossible to import used cars to Thailand? It certainly hasn't been cut in half either as I've looked at it...

    It does seem quite dodgy and I certainly wouldn't drive it around myself..Guess I should give it a miss.
    Before they tampered with car imports and closed some loopholes to open others it was a bitch, but pretty straightforward with a connected Thai up front to import cars from the UK, and esp Japan.

    But there was no need to cut them in half, just dismantle, engine and chassis in separate containers headed for different addresses, pay customs and a load of other extras including luxury tax of 650k where applicable, have LPG fitted or pay for a bypass, get it tested or pay for a bypass, have your Thai deal with a string of tests and checks and envelopes, and when you have a sheaf of the right paperwork it could be registered.

    Another thing you might consider if you know it's an illegal car, either a nicked import or otherwise not properly registered, and if you have trusted as in trusted connections, is to buy the car and then have it confiscated by the police.

    Sounds droll, but then the car is put up for auction, and guess what - not even Thai police are allowed to sell an illegal car, so it goes to auction only after properly registered with support paperwork. Iow, they do your legwork, new lamps for old, and now you put in your pre-agreed pre-auction offer to take possession of a legal car. Note also that (as of a few months ago though probably same now) the informant for a car confiscation gets 30% bounty on the auction price.

    Sounds easy, but lots of potholes so a case of who rather than what you know.
    Sounds like this must of been how the car arrived in the first place, sounds like there are many ins and outs regarding it all...

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    If it were left hand drive I would buy it and take it to Laos
    Could you just clarify for us how you would go about this?

    That is, taking a car out of Thailand which has no green book.

    Many people do this from Nakhon Phanhom to Thakhek via boat, there are many many many illegally imported cars in Laos, admittledley many stolen cars from Thailand end up here.

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    Using big bike without a green book is one thing but cars are another.
    How about a bike with a fake green book like yours? You obviously have no problem buying a bike of suspect provenance- so the only reason not to buy a potentially stolen car is because you might get caught? Don't worry if it's a Benz, though- the cops are happy to give hi-so thieves a miss, I guess...
    Could you provide me a link to where I said I have a fake green book?

    I think you will find that I said I have photocopies of a green book, but no physical green book.

    For me, having the correct import invoices, the correct docs that show import duty has been paid is enough. I'm happy to ride my bike on the road with this. Many do, many don't.

    All the fake stuff that came with my bike has been removed and tossed aside, the existence of these fake docs and items does not equate to it being stolen, only somebody of limited intelligence would make that leap.

    Your claim that I am happy to purchase stolen property is wrong and you should cease making that kind of accusation.
    Photo copies of a green book sounds rather dodgy to me, if you crashed it with this would your insurance be valid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    only thing is that I cannot understand why if some well connected Thai managed to import the car they didn't manage to get it registered?
    To register it you need the receipt from customs and excise thats proves proper import duty has been paid, perhaps this vehicle came into the country though another route that is different from the usual channels and has never been near customs and excise.

    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    Photo copies of a green book sounds rather dodgy to me
    It's very dodgy, and as I pointed out a long time ago, it is even more dodgy considering it was done by the previous owner who is a policeman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly
    Some gypo ringpiece from Gravesend has collected a heap of damaged and/or stolen cars and sent them on a boat to Asia to dump for profit?
    Possibly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    If it were left hand drive I would buy it and take it to Laos
    Could you just clarify for us how you would go about this?

    That is, taking a car out of Thailand which has no green book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    Using big bike without a green book is one thing but cars are another.
    How about a bike with a fake green book like yours? You obviously have no problem buying a bike of suspect provenance- so the only reason not to buy a potentially stolen car is because you might get caught? Don't worry if it's a Benz, though- the cops are happy to give hi-so thieves a miss, I guess...
    Could you provide me a link to where I said I have a fake green book?

    I think you will find that I said I have photocopies of a green book, but no physical green book.

    For me, having the correct import invoices, the correct docs that show import duty has been paid is enough. I'm happy to ride my bike on the road with this. Many do, many don't.

    All the fake stuff that came with my bike has been removed and tossed aside, the existence of these fake docs and items does not equate to it being stolen, only somebody of limited intelligence would make that leap.

    Your claim that I am happy to purchase stolen property is wrong and you should cease making that kind of accusation.
    You mean besides these quotes (I added the bold)- "The existence of fake docs and items does not equate to it being stolen..."- no, it sounds totally legit- only someone of limited intelligence would have bought that bike in the first place and been stupid enough to post that info- make sure you remove that 'dodgy stuff'.

    I didn't claim you purchased stolen property- I claimed you may very well have done so, but you don't give a shit and don't want to know- 'I'm alright, Jack', right? So what if it's possibly someone else's pride-and-joy- you got a good deal, and that's all that matters.

    Fake green book (photocopies or not), forged papers, whatever- there's obviously something dodgy with this bike or it would have anything fake associated with it to begin with.

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    The bike has a road tax sticker on it that has a bangkok registration number on it. The seller also has a bangkok number plate with the same number on it.

    In addition to that there are several photocopies of what looks like the first page of a normal Thai green registration book, the details show the year 2006, Yamaha YZF-R1 and the actual frame number and engine number of the bike.

    I questioned the seller about the location of the green book, he said there isn't one and all this stuff is known as "tabien boo-am" which I think translates as clone / replica / to decieve or something like that.

    It turned out my wife knew the family and friends of the guy selling it and got talking. The previous owned had given the current owner his phone number and said that if you ever get stopped by the police then to call a number and all would be sorted. The wife got on the phone to him, he's a copper in Bangkok, he forged all this himself and there is another R1 running around with the genuine book somewhere or other! Shady fockers the BIB!
    Quote Originally Posted by Spin View Post
    Up to you, as they say. It has all the correct paperwork from a sap-a-sam-it and invoice point of view.

    The dodgy stuff will all be removed and thrown in a drawer.
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    You're not very bright are you failsafe?

    You still haven't posted what I challenged to to post which is where I said I had a green book.

    Even the part you quote above in bold I don't say I have green book.


    Quote Originally Posted by FailSafe
    only someone of limited intelligence would have bought that bike in the first place
    Agreed the previous owner was a Thai copper.

    As for me, I've had a few bikes over the years with no green book. It doesn't bother me at all.

    Now stop being a wanker and accept that many people in Thailand have big bikes with no green book. it's just the way it is, it doesn't mean they are stolen.

    Try and get some medicine for that massive butthurt you seem to have.

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    Says the king of being butt-hurt- the guy who has to shit on my threads and send me reds for comments that weren't even directed at him.

    Sure, OK, your bike is 100% legitimate... The bike was on the road backed up by fake paperwork, it's got a fake plate, but of course all the other paperwork is completely legal and above-board ('the existence of fake docs and items doesn't mean the bike is stolen'- it just means that, well, it has fake docs and items- it's totally legal, though, except for the fake stuff- you'd have to be stupid to think otherwise- most legal bikes have fake docs associated with them, don't they...? Yes, it might not be stolen- it also very well may be- one thing's for sure- a truly legal bike wouldn't need what your bike has)- just make sure you call that policeman to bail you out when you get pulled over- like with every other legitimate bike, it's necessary to have a cop vouch for its legality if you're stopped...

    Yes, I'm sure having bikes that aren't properly documented doesn't bother you at all- no surprise there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltnt View Post
    The recent burning of exotic cars on a transporter here brought a lot of unwanted attention to the illegal business of bringing in this sort of automobile without the proper paperwork as well and most importantly, without having paid the taxes/duty required on said vehicles.

    The Thai Criminal Investigation Department is all over these cars, dealers and owners. So much so that owners and dealers were trying to move these vehicles out of Thailand to safe houses for later trans shipment to approving countries who would no doubt look the other way.

    Big Bucks are involved and very high up Thai's. I wouldn't touch that Benz if I were you.
    OT but talk of transporters, here's a poser:

    Friend needed to get his car from the free zone at Laem Chabang to a free zone near by Laos border.

    Problem: The car was legal in both free zones, but illegal on Thai roads, whether driven or on a slider, which made it liable to confiscation, and rural police are on a constant lookout for illegal vehicles since confiscation brings in a bounty.

    No shipping or flying.

    Green for first correct card out of the bag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leemo View Post
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    The recent burning of exotic cars on a transporter here brought a lot of unwanted attention to the illegal business of bringing in this sort of automobile without the proper paperwork as well and most importantly, without having paid the taxes/duty required on said vehicles.

    The Thai Criminal Investigation Department is all over these cars, dealers and owners. So much so that owners and dealers were trying to move these vehicles out of Thailand to safe houses for later trans shipment to approving countries who would no doubt look the other way.

    Big Bucks are involved and very high up Thai's. I wouldn't touch that Benz if I were you.
    OT but talk of transporters, here's a poser:

    Friend needed to get his car from the free zone at Laem Chabang to a free zone near by Laos border.

    Problem: The car was legal in both free zones, but illegal on Thai roads, whether driven or on a slider, which made it liable to confiscation, and rural police are on a constant lookout for illegal vehicles since confiscation brings in a bounty.

    No shipping or flying.

    Green for first correct card out of the bag.
    Smuggled to Cambodia, then into Laos. I believe it's doable.
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    A phone call leading to another, and he was instructed to be at the free zone next morning for the police slider, complete with 2 uniformed cops for relay driving. It seems cops don't stop cops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Originally Posted by supernovadw If it were left hand drive I would buy it and take it to Laos
    even if it were left hand drive super you would still be getting hit for a massive luxury tax, assuming you could get all the documents sorted to get it across the freindship bridge, import tax on vehicles is getting bloody expensive as of the last few years, a vigo is fine as its considered an agriculural necessity, anything else is considered luxury, Prados Fortuners etc. The company i work for have been battling with the Lao government for the past 2 years to allow us to purchase new 4 wheelers to replace some we have had for 9 years, under the mining agreement we shouldnt be paying any tax at all, but its taken some time to resolve this, got the nod last week to go ahead and order new ones, 2 landcruiser wagons and a dualcab ute should arrive end of september, hopefully earlier, we have been using Landrovers for a couple of years and quite frankly they are shocking, For anyone interested a basic landcruiser dualcab minus the tax is $36500 double that if you have to pay full tax, i wouldnt go anywhere near that Merc mate, sounds a bit murky, Another thing i might mention is many years ago i bought an old isuzu trooper that had originally been imported by an NGO and had the white plates to reflect that, no tax had been paid, drove it for years and would of kept it except they were getting a bit funny on Farangs driving NGO registered cars unless you actually worked for the particular NGO who imported it , which i didnt, tried many times to pay the tax on it as i wanted to keep it, couldnt find a Lao person who could get it done ( under the table ) oh yes i like a bit of corruption, fockers wanted 100% of the value , ended up selling it to a relative of the wife just to get rid of it . he still hasnt managed to get those NGO plates of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    Car in Thailand with no documents but very cheap, worth buying?
    Hi there all,

    I've been offered a 2001 Mercedes CLK 200 Kompressor Convertible through a friend of a friend, the thing is that is has no paperwork at all....It has Thai plates on but nothing else...

    I've looked in to it and the same cars at dealerships are selling for around 1.3 to 1.5 Million baht!!! This guy said I can have it for 300,000 Baht if I want it which seems to be a good price...

    Now I wouldn't consider driving this around myself as firstly I don't live in Thailand (I live in Lao) And secondly I think I'd be in the shit if I got pulled over or had an accident....I'm was thinking of buying it to sell or break for parts perhaps?

    The guy selling it is a foreigner who bought it from a Thai bloke who promised him the logbook but never got it, stupidly he paid all up front and that was it.

    I think that it may be from the UK because the speedo is in MPH and it is right hand drive, the guy hasn't a clue where it is from and doesn't know any history of the car.

    What does everyone think, is it worth buying? Should be able to sell it on for a profit or break it for bits hey....
    get it mate,
    otherwise give me the number and i will get it.
    i can sell it for 500.000 to the local amphur chief, he never gets hassled by the police,

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    Quote Originally Posted by beerlaodrinker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spin
    Originally Posted by supernovadw If it were left hand drive I would buy it and take it to Laos
    even if it were left hand drive super you would still be getting hit for a massive luxury tax, assuming you could get all the documents sorted to get it across the freindship bridge, import tax on vehicles is getting bloody expensive as of the last few years, a vigo is fine as its considered an agriculural necessity, anything else is considered luxury, Prados Fortuners etc. The company i work for have been battling with the Lao government for the past 2 years to allow us to purchase new 4 wheelers to replace some we have had for 9 years, under the mining agreement we shouldnt be paying any tax at all, but its taken some time to resolve this, got the nod last week to go ahead and order new ones, 2 landcruiser wagons and a dualcab ute should arrive end of september, hopefully earlier, we have been using Landrovers for a couple of years and quite frankly they are shocking, For anyone interested a basic landcruiser dualcab minus the tax is $36500 double that if you have to pay full tax, i wouldnt go anywhere near that Merc mate, sounds a bit murky, Another thing i might mention is many years ago i bought an old isuzu trooper that had originally been imported by an NGO and had the white plates to reflect that, no tax had been paid, drove it for years and would of kept it except they were getting a bit funny on Farangs driving NGO registered cars unless you actually worked for the particular NGO who imported it , which i didnt, tried many times to pay the tax on it as i wanted to keep it, couldnt find a Lao person who could get it done ( under the table ) oh yes i like a bit of corruption, fockers wanted 100% of the value , ended up selling it to a relative of the wife just to get rid of it . he still hasnt managed to get those NGO plates of it
    I didn't mean importing it to Laos properly as like you say the tax in Laos is a nightmare just like Thailand, I think recently they put it up again so yeh your certainly right it would cost a fortune! As you probably know a lot of people import cars over the Mekong on the dodge and drive them around on dodgy plates and paperwork

    Sounds like your having a bit of a nightmare with buying the new cars for the mine, these are the things which do piss me off as a procedure like that which should be easy and straight forward always seems to be awkward in Laos...

    Corruption as you say doesn't seem to work that easily when cars or bikes are involved, two of my wife's family work for the vehicle registration place and one is quite high up however I've asked him many times about stuff and he never seems to be able to get stuff done under the table even when offered a good amount of cash!

    Quote Originally Posted by poorfalang View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by supernovadw
    Car in Thailand with no documents but very cheap, worth buying?
    Hi there all,

    I've been offered a 2001 Mercedes CLK 200 Kompressor Convertible through a friend of a friend, the thing is that is has no paperwork at all....It has Thai plates on but nothing else...

    I've looked in to it and the same cars at dealerships are selling for around 1.3 to 1.5 Million baht!!! This guy said I can have it for 300,000 Baht if I want it which seems to be a good price...

    Now I wouldn't consider driving this around myself as firstly I don't live in Thailand (I live in Lao) And secondly I think I'd be in the shit if I got pulled over or had an accident....I'm was thinking of buying it to sell or break for parts perhaps?

    The guy selling it is a foreigner who bought it from a Thai bloke who promised him the logbook but never got it, stupidly he paid all up front and that was it.

    I think that it may be from the UK because the speedo is in MPH and it is right hand drive, the guy hasn't a clue where it is from and doesn't know any history of the car.

    What does everyone think, is it worth buying? Should be able to sell it on for a profit or break it for bits hey....
    get it mate,
    otherwise give me the number and i will get it.
    i can sell it for 500.000 to the local amphur chief, he never gets hassled by the police,
    If you are genuinely interested then PM me so long as there is something in it for me

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    So we're back to you being happy purchasing a stolen vehicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingwilly View Post
    So we're back to you being happy purchasing a stolen vehicle.
    How do you know it is stolen ?

    I purchased a GSXR from Rigger (now for sale by Timber) with zero paperwork, are you saying it was stolen as well ?

    I have an RX8 sitting in my workshop that has zero paperwork, we imported it but to be built up as a race car, are you saying it is stolen ?
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    The point is that you don't know that it wasn't stolen. If a vehicle has zero paperwork, there's no way to check its provenance (knowing the person selling it means nothing)- for all you know, it was taken from somebody's garage in the middle-of-the-night. I actually couldn't believe there was so much interest in it when it first came up- everyone let the fact that it was cheap completely cloud their judgment. I'm not saying it was stolen, but there's a big market in Thailand for that sort of thing- there's no arguing that ownership was not legally transferred.

    A bike without even an invoice raises a lot of red flags, especially coupled with a price that's about 30% of market value.

    Also, how does a car you imported have 'zero paperwork' associated with it? At a minimum it would have to have been brought in illegally (perhaps as separate parts and then reassembled)- that doesn't mean it's stolen, but, again, it's sketchy. You don't even have the importation documentation of a car your own company brought in? Strange- it's not something you'd lose. There are differences between dedicated race vehicles and street vehicles, though, but when an advertisement says you 'probably' shouldn't ride on the street, that means (to me) 'stay away'.

    I just hate- fucking HATE- bike and car thieves- the fact that bikes and cars can be so expensive in LOS has caused the market in stolen goods with dodgy paperwork to become huge- while I understand the motivation, it's too bad the foreign community perpetuates it by being willing to buy/sell improperly/illegally documented vehicles. Serious uncertainty should be enough to walk away from a deal, but for too many it's not.
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