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    One of the undergrad students went to get help and the others just stud there and did nothing. Because they had some medical training, the good samaritan laws would not protect them, the university insurance would not cover them because they were not qualified doctors, and they had been told in no uncertain terms that they would be thrown out of the university of they did get involved.
    That bit I am not sure on. The good samaritan laws protect everyone - within the limits of their training.
    Thats the point. A court could decide that you were were within the limits of their medical training and you could then be responsible for civil damages. .
    Fraid not. Thats exactly what the "good samaritan laws" are for.

    You cannot be held liable or sued if the aid you give is within your training. So, if you have basic first aid, and say immobilize a limb - covered. If you have basic first aid and do a trachotemy with your pen knife, not covered.

    The good samaritan laws are there to protect people giving assistance, provided that they act in good faith, and within the limits of their training. I am CPR certified. In a country with good samaritan laws, if I give CPR and crack someones rib, they cannot sue me or hold me liable for that act if it was given as an attempt to save them under conditions where it was needed.

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    my fault, I am saying that if you cock up in someway court could decide that you were within the limits of your training and negligent; making you liable to civil damaged which could cause you to loose everything you have.

    Thats why you need to make sure you have insurance to cover you helping in accidents. From what I have seen if you are an office first aider, st johns ambulance volunteers, nurses and doctors have insurance that covers them helping at accidents out of hours as part of the job/volunteering.

    If you google the news, you will see there's enough people suing good samaritans, mainly in america, sometimes successfully; that you have to view helping at an accident scene in the same way you should view driving. Don't do it if you are not insured.

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    If he's still in "ICU" then theres still time to pop and visit him alone and pull the plug on some piece of vital electronic kit keeping him alive.

    Its for the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by genghis61
    Only small good news is they have no idea how much she has squirreled away, has lived in fear of them finding out . . . downside is they know she has the 7yr eucs that can be harvested any time but she's holding out - till now maybe. Bugger.
    Tell them that she has already borrowed money from a shark that is waiting for her to harvest the trees so she can repay the loan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz
    Better half told that there is a third party law, which means that of you can show that some third party was involved in causing the accident, even if they are unknown; then the 30 B scheme can be used to cover the treatment.
    That is open to debate. My missus says not. An hospital is there to administer aid and the bill the patient for that. Not act as a legal enforcer and apportion blame.
    I asked her why "no one seems to assist when accidents occur". Her reply was "because nobody knows what to do".
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    I think this guy has it right.


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    December 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pm
    The reasons for this are complex and negate the delusuonal self-image that Thais have.
    Firstly, Thais are relatively unintelligent (average IQ measured between 87 and 91 as opposed to UK and America measured between 100 and 104), So they probably couldn't work out what to do and stood (as Thais often do), stunned and confused.
    Secondly, Thais have a very low level of personal responsibility to society, including helping others with problems. This is manifested in so many ways, from the feudal society in Thailand to the way the Thais drive on the roads.
    Thirdly, Thais have a real problem projecting consequences (playing the 'what if' game if you like). They are never taught to use reasoning ability in schools, they are only taught how to repeat by rote and do as they are told. In this case, there was evidently nobody there to tell them what to do, so… they didn't do anything.
    And fourthly Thais are culturally disinclined to give a shit about anyone they either don't know or whom they are not related to (or indeed if they don't think they can reap an advantage from helping as would be the case for example with someone rich – who wouldn't be young and riding a motor cycle anyway). I would speculate that nobody in the crowd of dolts at the scene actually knew the lad.
    Sad but true. How do I know? Because the Thai is pretty easy to understand, another point of variance to their self-image. They are simple and largely stupid folk, which suits the feudal barons just nicely.
    Interesting you mention the stupid sod had a head wound. Was there a crash hat? Didn't think so. And he was probably riding like all Thais ride motor cycles – recklessly. Sorry, but in my book it serves him right and I wouldn't lose a moment's sleep for not helping. A few less motorcyclists on the road wouldn't hurt anyone – except the motorcyclists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hazz View Post
    Better half told that there is a third party law, which means that of you can show that some third party was involved in causing the accident, even if they are unknown; then the 30 B scheme can be used to cover the treatment.

    The pot hole might help, But it could be argued that as he had no business being on the road driving a unregistered bike without insurance it might not. From my experience on the 30B scheme, as with everything else ion thailand, patronage more than anything determines what you get, so He might be lucky.
    A miracle has occurred (no, sadly he's not dead). This is one of those hands over the ears I don't want to know moments.

    Now the facts are that the bike he allegedly crashed on, being unregistered/uninsured, was not the one he crashed on at all.

    And I've seen scene photos to prove it, motorcycle on its side, pothole, people pointing. Who could doubt such evidence?

    Which is all very convenient. A bit like the body doubles they use in the movies.

    Unsure how much cover the bike insurance gives, and whether that will be enough if he's going to be there for some time, but it's a start. I will visit today, and ee if there are any cords that can be easily unplugged.

    ************

    Re all the 'good samaritan' stuff, it seems the safest option - not the best one morally - is to drive on and report to police.
    I've a long involvement with surf lifesaving/water safety tuition - obviously risks there too with a rescue/resuscitation when the patient dies despite one's best efforts. Walk away and ring police?

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    I'm a little confused.

    Now the facts are that the bike he allegedly crashed on, being unregistered/uninsured, was not the one he crashed on at all.
    And I've seen scene photos to prove it, motorcycle on its side, pothole, people pointing. Who could doubt such evidence?
    Quote Originally Posted by genghis61
    there was an accident re-creation yesterday attended by important local people, some of whom stood and pointed at the road and a motorbike on its side borrowed to make it look good. The pointing was entertaining - just like the police ones - 'man points at road' etc.
    Were the photo's you saw from the re-enactment in which they used a borrowed motorbike ? Thus causing confussion ?
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    1; Go and see your poor brother in law in hospital.

    2; Pull the screens around, and re-create the the classic climax of "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" by suffocating him with a pillow.

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    then rip out the water fountain and bung it through the window.

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    why not ask the missus for her mercury drops and put it in his coffee before she puts it in yours

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    Cant you slip a BiB some coinage and get him to pin the accident on the Farang who stopped to help ??
    Can I be your friend? You seem like a really nice guy.

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    A rural hospital in Thailand will likely take care of your problem. They're cheap. And the likelihood of death is high.

    I think it's charming how Thais stick to family no matter what. It's the way it should be. Count yourself lucky he's not a gambling addict because gambling has no limits - you can't overdose. Speaking from experience here.

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    That is a true horror story. It makes it seem that it's like a bad idea to have money ... makes you a target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    I'm a little confused.

    Now the facts are that the bike he allegedly crashed on, being unregistered/uninsured, was not the one he crashed on at all.
    And I've seen scene photos to prove it, motorcycle on its side, pothole, people pointing. Who could doubt such evidence?
    Quote Originally Posted by genghis61
    there was an accident re-creation yesterday attended by important local people, some of whom stood and pointed at the road and a motorbike on its side borrowed to make it look good. The pointing was entertaining - just like the police ones - 'man points at road' etc.
    Were the photo's you saw from the re-enactment in which they used a borrowed motorbike ? Thus causing confussion ?
    um, I'll try not to use the word 'allegedly' too often here . . . what I'm alleging is that there is a little deception going on here, photos were taken using a legal/registered/insured motorbike, Green Book etc has been produced, photos taken, so medical care will be covered under that motorbike's insurance. The one in the alleged actual crash never existed.
    As Maxwell Smart might have said: "The old switch the motorbike trick"

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddy View Post
    why not ask the missus for her mercury drops and put it in his coffee before she puts it in yours
    ha ha we've discussed this but she has nothing to gain, I have no assets in this country, just monthly income . . . house was hers from inheritance.

    But "death in the village" - there were two murders in the local village on the weekend, land boundary dispute - woman shot, and man with 2 wives now has one dead one, shot, one 'being questioned'. It's simple life!

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    So aside from the insurance scam there's nothing out of the ordinary, then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nikster View Post
    A rural hospital in Thailand will likely take care of your problem. They're cheap. And the likelihood of death is high.

    I think it's charming how Thais stick to family no matter what. It's the way it should be. Count yourself lucky he's not a gambling addict because gambling has no limits - you can't overdose. Speaking from experience here.
    he's in a general ward now, I gave in and paid a visit yesterday, sitting up and grinning as if he'd done something clever, wife sleeps on a mat under his hospital bed. Shares a room with seven old bags of bones I'd say it's the last stop for a few of them.
    Nice nurses though . . .

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    Genghis61, I see a little "deception" coming back to haunt someone. Usually the police attend an accident where someone is injured, a condition of the insurance company. In the police report the bike detail would have been logged, number, colour, damage, photo's etc. If someone has seen fit to reenact the accident with a motorbike that is insured then it will have to be good as the insurers will check with the police report. If, as you say, there was a recreation of the accident then there's a good chance that this scam is wide spread, as many drive here without insurance, and I've never heard of this being done, not that I hear everything. Stay out of it and so should your GF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keda View Post
    So aside from the insurance scam there's nothing out of the ordinary, then.
    'alleged'
    the word scam is a bit harsh (is there a Thai word for this?) . . . some things are best not known about.
    The 'alleged murders' are a first for the year I'm aware of, just coincidence they were on same weekend. These things happen, no one seems overly concerned, money and property deeds will change hands . . . business as usual.

    ^ Superman
    lots of funny business going on, the bike involved disappeared - I am now unsure that he was the rider or pillion as there was apparently someone else on the bike who did a runner (mates!!); no police, no witnesses . . .
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    From another angle...from within the Karma philosophy...good karma is created by doing good things. Your wife's actions will gain her some points toward greater enlightenment.

    You won't benefit, but she will in a future life and her husband in that life will be very grateful.

    Because he seems to be short of a back-bone already, her brother's actions have probably cemented his future in the insect or invertebrate world.

    While the Thai family support system drives me spare, I'd much rather be around people who consider others than one who can only think of themself, although I don't wanna give the impression these are the only two attitudes available, I incorporating a little drama into my narrative for effect...

    She is acting within a system that has allowed Thai women and children to be supported long before we white devils arrived and will keep em supported long after we go home in disgusted distemper at their seemingly non-sensical ways.

    The Thai way is non-sensical to me because I struggle thinking outside of the 'i'll take care of myself' box.

    It is a box that I don't want to squeeze anyone into that wasn't squeezed in there by their own society's culturally mistaken belief that we'll all be better off if we take care of ourselves.

    Look at how well off the uninsured are in the US, the epitomy of the 'take care of yourself' culture.

    Appears to me that the Thai model is much more inclusive, considerate and humane than the US model.

    Not that I'm trying to bedevil the US or nothin...but it is a....Heehee...

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    Maybe twelve-fifteen years ago, I was on a visit to Pattaya, driving with my son, when a mo'bi' rider came hurtling out of a soi, across three lanes of traffic - how he wasnt mown down is anyone's guess - and failed to straighten out after the third lane, straight into the centre ditch, A over T (head over heels). I wanted to stop to give assistance. Son said "Drive on, Dad, he's not your concern." Later explained as in previous posts. I've always remembered that advice, dont touch unless you want to get burned!

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    I hope reading this may help others.Motor Vehicle Accidents in Thailand | ThaiPulse

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