Children of Thai Farang unions

[Marmite the Dog]

I would never let my kids attend a Thai school, I would return home before that happened.

Indeed. No education is better than attending a Thai school.

Speaking on money brings on the issue of the maid. Growing up without a maid I had to learn to cook, clean and sew. To get my daughter to do any of these chores is a royal battle that we have weekly!

Maids are a curse. They generally make for lazy parents from what I have seen here. The most recent example is a family in our village. Their lad is 5, still drinks from a baby's bottle, has tantrums all the time to get his own way (mum just directs him to the maid all the time) and he speaks Thai like the maid (an illiterate, backward woman in her 50s). My little 'un who has not yet turned 3 was more developed and responsible.

He will turn 7 next month and is in Grade 1 at a government primary school. He loves going to the school which is quite small, has a good reputation and the teachers so far have been very good. It is amazing what they learn in Grade 1 these days. He is already doing additions and subtractions and can read more than 50 words.

I would be very upset if my lad could only read about 50 words when he's 7. I expect him to be reading 3 or 400 hundred page kids' novels at that age.

[peterpan]

I have been living in Thailand for 2,5 years now with my girlfriend - and she is not a bargirl from soi 6 (as far from it since she had a lot of respectable jobs in Patters. Most probably all the Patters guys have passed the dental clinic she has worked in for the last three-four years).

So after your long holiday here,( 2.5 yrs) you have found a "good" girl in Pattaya and now taking her home to Sweden.
You know that people won't believe you, don't you ? they think every Thai girl has been on the game, not true we all know, but thats a result of the bad press some Thai women have got themselves

Here (I'm home on vacation) I can throw a child outside the door without anybody looking after them. I would be worried after five hours if I haven't heard anything from the rascals and phone around to check where they are and discover that they are sitting at their friends house eating dinner since they're hungry.

I can't do that in Thailand - I would be worried sick if they left my GF's eyesight or mine for more than five seconds.

What a load of Crap! Many places in my own country I wouldn't let my daughters out unsupervised which we quite happily do in our village here.

We don't have to move around to find a decent school where our children will be educated and learn the virtues that's needed to function in an enlightened society (and we got eight schools in a radius of twenty clicks).
--> Until now I haven't heard much positive about thai schools - even costly foreign schools.

YOu don't know what you are talking about, you have no children and no direct experince of Thai schools, I am reasonably happpy with my daughter's private school here, of course its not perfect, but I make up for the deficiencies by supplementary home schooling.

Incidentally my next door neighbor agrees with you, but I think its more a case of she lives quite well on Swedish benefits after gaining citizenship for her and her two kids then tossing her Swedish husband, she now is able to live a nice lifestyle with annual trips back here.

[nidhogg]

and now she is top of her class with beautiful hand writing that puts mine to shame (not that that is saying fok all), and she gets 10/10 on her spelling tests every week, she is still only 6 and spelling test was today, these were the words....

careless, worthless, funnily, happily, sadly, replied, shouted, muttered, whispered, said.

I have to say, and I am going through this at the moment with my own son (aged 8), that the list you gave really, really pisses me off.

My son had the same type of lists two years ago or so. Here is the rub, he still cannot understand the construction of the language (reading and writing).

Why? Lists like that do fuck all in teaching the language. The process is "memorization" of the word (for a short time usually) that teaches NOTHING about the construction of the language. Its just a random collection of words, sounds and grammatical rules. "ly" words, "ed" words, double "t"s, words starting with "s" and sh" without rhyme or reason.

I am sure my kid falls in the "soundly average" group, and at the moment we have a huge, huge problem with his language skills. he is fluent in spoken english, way over his grade, but f*cked on reading and writing.

We have just enrolled him in a phonetic program. For the first time he is showing some (rapid) imporvement, and is starting to understand WHY words that start with the letter "r" are spoken with a "r" sound.

just keep an eye, and see if there is understanding, as opposed to short term memorization, cause otherwise in two or three years you may well hit the same block we have. I hope not, but just a word to the wise.

[buriramboy]

^I test her all the time, first thing i get her to do is read the words as in making sure she can pronounce them correctly, any issues and we work on that first then we go onto what the words mean and i get her to put them into sentences, then it's onto the actual spelling which by this time is normally just a formality and done while walking to school in the mornings.

[jandajoy]

We have just enrolled him in a phonetic program. For the first time he is showing some (rapid) imporvement, and is starting to understand WHY words that start with the letter "r" are spoken with a "r" sound.

Well done. Though Phonetics fell out of fashion for a few years, there is no doubt in my mind that the system works.

They're slowly coming back into fashion now as educators are realising that various other schemes just didn't get the same results.

[BobR]

Maids are a curse. They generally make for lazy parents from what I have seen here. The most recent example is a family in our village. Their lad is 5, still drinks from a baby's bottle, has tantrums all the time to get his own way (mum just directs him to the maid all the time) and he speaks Thai like the maid (an illiterate, backward woman in her 50s). My little 'un who has not yet turned 3 was more developed and responsible.

Yes, there is nothing more distasteful than seeing a spoiled child boss around an adult. I've been exposed to that several times here and it made me very uncomfortable just being around it.

[the dogcatcher]

Agreed with Bob arse.
Laosy used to take care of some harsip harsip kids.
When something bad happens the kids used to go to her, not their mother.
When Papa kicks off, they went to Laosy, not their mother.
Mother sleeps until mid day, gets up, eats then sleeps until 6, has a beer, then sleeps until mid day the next day.
The kids kick off all the time at home.
When they are here, at the dogc gaff they are as good as gold.
I have rules, and they will be obeyed. End of!!!

[aging one]

(mum just directs him to the maid all the time) and he speaks Thai like the maid (an illiterate, backward woman in her 50s). My little 'un who has not yet turned 3 was more developed and responsible.

Thai or Isaan if the truth be told? Sad is all I can say. I have been lucky enough to have very normal kids who do well.

[paranha]

I have been living in Thailand for 2,5 years now with my girlfriend - and she is not a bargirl from soi 6 (as far from it since she had a lot of respectable jobs in Patters. Most probably all the Patters guys have passed the dental clinic she has worked in for the last three-four years).

So after your long holiday here,( 2.5 yrs) you have found a "good" girl in Pattaya and now taking her home to Sweden.
You know that people won't believe you, don't you ? they think every Thai girl has been on the game, not true we all know, but thats a result of the bad press some Thai women have got themselves

Here (I'm home on vacation) I can throw a child outside the door without anybody looking after them. I would be worried after five hours if I haven't heard anything from the rascals and phone around to check where they are and discover that they are sitting at their friends house eating dinner since they're hungry.

I can't do that in Thailand - I would be worried sick if they left my GF's eyesight or mine for more than five seconds.

What a load of Crap! Many places in my own country I wouldn't let my daughters out unsupervised which we quite happily do in our village here.

We don't have to move around to find a decent school where our children will be educated and learn the virtues that's needed to function in an enlightened society (and we got eight schools in a radius of twenty clicks).
--> Until now I haven't heard much positive about thai schools - even costly foreign schools.

YOu don't know what you are talking about, you have no children and no direct experince of Thai schools, I am reasonably happpy with my daughter's private school here, of course its not perfect, but I make up for the deficiencies by supplementary home schooling.

Incidentally my next door neighbor agrees with you, but I think its more a case of she lives quite well on Swedish benefits after gaining citizenship for her and her two kids then tossing her Swedish husband, she now is able to live a nice lifestyle with annual trips back here.

Hi there PeterPan.

Didn't you get your regular morning coffe today?

First I'm not swedish and never will be - I'm quite happy by being a norwegian citizen. Have lived in sweden in 8 years prior to my stay in thailand.

Yep, I do believe that's she is a good girl. Numerous incidents during that time have proven that for me (including that we have broken up a couple of times as well).

I'm quite aware of the attitudes and prejudices regarding thai girls around here and most of them deserves it too. I know what we are in for and have taken the necessary precautions (which includes being honest and quell the rumours before they start). On this issue I need to get a little sidetracked since that story will explain volumes:

It goes back to the big old war the germans lost in -45 that made the germans the most hated people in the world for many years. My grandfather joined the army just after it and was sent to germany and stayed there for several years. As it is with young people, he found his beloved one there. In -53 or was it -54? They moved back home to Norway. A country ravaged by the germans and the hatred for them was so great that it overshadowed everything else. GD continued his service in the army and for the first three years he had to leave my GM with his family (a family that he was adopted into - just to make things even better). Guess what comes next? GD's family instantaneously startet to hate my GM - a 20 year old girl that her only fault was that she was born german and couldn't speak a single word of norwegian. Nobody in GD's family wouldn't have anything to do with her and didn't say a single word to her until an old auntie felt so sorry after two years that she befriended my GM. For them it was always an uphill battle in their personal and cereer life due to the fact that she is born german. Of course they have struggled but the friends they found have proven true every time - the dross disappeared very fast.

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It isn't a load of crap that I can throw my future kids out of the door here without me keeping any attention on them. It's safe here. In Sweden I don't live in a small village but a fair sized city together with 40k other people. Prior to moving to thailand I hadn't bothered to lock my front door for several years (except when I went to work for a month).

I don't think my words regarding the schools in thailand are far off even If I have no first hand experience with them. There is a renowned school for civil engineering near where I live Patters. The foreign teachers there doesn't stay for long before they give up in disgust even though the salary is ok(grade buying +++). Teachers selling drugs to the pupils (Huai Yay as an example a couple of months ago). Have spoken to several people that have first hand experience with the schooling system and they say all the same thing: The kids never learn the most important thing that is called critical thinking. A friend of mine had his four year old daughter in prep school and was quite horrified about what she learned and how her mentality changed (he ended up moving back to Norway to get a better start for his child).

One thing that I think is important about the schools in Sweden, is that your family backgrounds and wealth doesn't matter (of course you can put them into some expensive private schools here as well). A son of a whore has the same opportunity as a son of a lawyer to become highly educated and get well respected jobs.

What you wrote:
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"Incidentally my next door neighbor agrees with you, but I think its more a case of she lives quite well on Swedish benefits after gaining citizenship for her and her two kids then tossing her Swedish husband, she now is able to live a nice lifestyle with annual trips back here"

Have to admit that's true. The welfare system is very good.

[jandajoy]

^ Strewth.

[paranha]

^Yep I know. I'm in the talkative mode today since I'm bored for the moment

[Nawty]

Crikey...

[jandajoy]

Yep I know. I'm in the talkative mode today since I'm bored for the moment

As in a cut and paste mode.

Care to give us less bored folk a summary.

[MeMock]

JJ, I think he is trying to say that because he broke up with his girl a few times this proves that she isn't a bar girl. Something like that anyway.

[jandajoy]

JJ, I think he is trying to say that because he broke up with his girl a few times this proves that she isn't a bar girl. Something like that anyway.

Oh, right. Thanks for that MM.

I thought he was just a driveling, drunken bore with a limited intelligence and an equally limited future.

Good to know. I was wrong.

Cheers mate.

[Nawty]

Thats very shallow JJ

[jandajoy]

Thats very shallow JJ

I like shallow.

Can't swim.

[buriramboy]

Shame this was a decent thread.

[jandajoy]

Shame this was a decent thread.

Agreed. Apologies for any distractions I might have caused.

Anyone know anything about

"Accelerated Literacy"?

[Nawty]

You're right BB...lets get it back on track

[Nawty]

"Accelerated Literacy"?

Is that the slow or faster version ?

[jandajoy]

Is that the slow or faster version ?

Starts off kinda slow than builds up to quick.

That's why it's called accelerated.

Developed in WA so it must be ..............

it must be..........................................

Well, let's just say it is, something.

[Hootad Binky]

their maternal culture.

My son is now six; his late mother was Thai. We've lived in Canada since he was a year and a half, so he's growing up Canadian.

When he's older we'll visit Thailand. He looks very Thai but your culture is what you grow up with.

He'll never really be "Thai."

[paranha]

Yep I know. I'm in the talkative mode today since I'm bored for the moment

As in a cut and paste mode.

Care to give us less bored folk a summary.

Can do:

Thailand Stinks
Move home
prepare for prejudices
meet prejudices

Unfortunately no cut and paste mode.

That sums it quite nicely.

[paranha]

JJ, I think he is trying to say that because he broke up with his girl a few times this proves that she isn't a bar girl. Something like that anyway.

Nah. More like both of us are a couple stubborn basterds but despite of that chooses to stay together