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    Quote Originally Posted by bowie View Post
    Al right - ya made me go look. A few years ago we, but - in accordance with the Thai legal requirements "My Wife the Thai Citizen" purchased a new house in Nonthaburi province. We were issued a blue book, a yellow book and a chanote.

    The blue book and the yellow book are absolutely identical except for the color. All the numbers are the exactly the same less the persons ID number. Hers starts with a 3 (thai) and mine starts with a 6 (foreign). Page 1 is house descriptive in both books, she is listed on page 2 of the blue book and I'm listed on Page 2 of the yellow book.

    Other than the personal ID numbers being different, the only other difference is the majag (where you come from) in the blue book she comes from her fathers (passed) address, and I, in the yellow book come from america.

    In/on the chanote I'm listed in the mortgage holder column.
    Same me Bowie, Once our house was built, my wife is on all the land ownership exclusively. I am listed as the "Homeowner/ Mortgage holder". Can she kick me out, well that becomes a complicated mess with endless scenarios. Be easier to just sell off my belongings and go. However some day she will kick me out but that's after I bite the bullet, was always the plan anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    My Yellow book was free
    Your saying that you have a yellow house book?

    Does the house you live in also have a blue house book?
    Last edited by OhOh; 05-08-2019 at 11:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Does the house you live in also have a blue house book?
    There is no issue with a property having both blue and yellow house books.

    It is the norm.

    The Thais are listed in the blue one.

    The foreigner in the yellow one.

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    ^

    Thanks


    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    The tabien baan doesn't list a house master.
    I am presuming you are referring to the blue house book, I took my Thai FIL to the office specifically so they could adjust the blue book to indicate that his Thai wife had died and adjust who was named as the No 1/House Master

    This they accomplished by adding a Thai stamp on his previously enter name entry, along with the required officers signature and stamping the MIL's entry

    Possibly a local tradition not Thai wide

    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    It lists who's resident there.
    My FIL's blue book includes those, allegedly living at his house, as well
    A tray full of GOLD is not worth a moment in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    My FIL's blue book includes those, allegedly living at his ,as wel
    Depending whose Blue Book they are registered in depends on which government hospital they can use. They can only have one medical card so I assume they can only legally have their name in one Blue Book. Failure to use the Amphur hospital to which their Blue Book is registered their treatment will have to be paid for as per privately. Think I got that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    complicated mess with endless scenarios
    Yea, interesting to comment on this. I have a 30 year usufruct renewable for another thirty years. As per my Thai Attorney, this is the allowed protection a foreigner (in my situation) can have. My protection should my wife pass before me. Although I cannot own the property, I have control of the property. Prevents my in-laws from attempting to "steal" the property from me. That wouldn't happen as I have a dual citizen daughter living in the US listed on page 3 of the blue book.

    But, the usufruct is the allowable legal protection for the foreign "not legally allowed to be the owner of land" work around.

    When I lived in Pattaya we rented in a Moo Baan of about a hundred houses. As per my neighbor (not confirmable) two "abandoned" houses were owned by Thai woman divorcees who wanted to sell but couldn't because the foreign husbands held usufructs on the properties and demanded too much money.

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    ^^^ Yes, that's correct.

    When sproglette and her mother changed to be in the blue tabien baan for my property, I was asked in front of them if I wanted her mother was to be listed as the house master, or just as being resident there. The answer of course was to be simply resident there.

    I thought it was quite good of them to ask, as some Thai officials wouldn't have bothered and went and listed the Thai as the house master. As I wasn't listening and probably wouldn't have understood the technical language even if I was, probably good of the mother to have put it to me, as opposed to simply saying sure, list me as the house master. But to be expected as she's a diamond.


    (The blue tabien baan was previously blank, as the previous owner had one for another property. You/a Thai, can only be listed in one. It (the blank blue tabien baan) was given to me when I bought the property and was listed in the chanote at the point of purchase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    I assume they can only legally have their name in one Blue Book.
    That's correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Your saying that you have a yellow house book?

    Does the house you live in also have a blue house book?
    Yes to both OhOh

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    Thanks for all your knowledgable and informative posts

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    My House Book Saga - Wrap-up

    I was called yesterday, by the local district officer, and informed that my application had been approved. Application 3 months ago.

    Myself, my Thai wife and her father, the house head/master went to the office.

    After photographs, thumb prints were completed and another data base page was successful completed, I was handed a Yellow House Book and a pink ID card, starting with the number 6 and ending with the digits 00000-02. It appears there aren't many felangs around here.

    A couple of photos with me and the Thai Officer who managed the application and a chat with her boss.

    Very similar to the Thai ID card except, the "date of issue" is today's date and the "expiry date" is shown as, ตสอคขขึวิด or "death".

    The issuing officer did say, "Look into my eyes, Look into my eyes" or maybe "look into the camera", but no stick tossing or shuffling of the tarot cards.

    Smiles from my wife, I think she was worried I might be in the Blue House book as the next "House Master", being male and/or the oldest inhabitant.

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    Congrats.

    No more Certificates of Residence needed for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    My House Book Saga - Wrap-up

    I was called yesterday, by the local district officer, and informed that my application had been approved. Application 3 months ago.

    Myself, my Thai wife and her father, the house head/master went to the office.
    The ol' yellow book process really is different from every office to office.


    Popped down today to begin the process by clarifying the documents needed. the situation is my own condo with me as the sole owner on the chanote. Child and their mother listed on the blue Tabien Baan, but not as the 'house master'.

    Took the full wheel-barrow of every document I've ever had since moving here.


    Before being able to sit we were being interrogated about my money here. What am I doing here.


    Bank books and statements of oversea transfers weren't enough to sate their appetite, I need to show proof of property ownership in my home country.

    Also need to provide:


    • Cert of residence from immigration (from the embassy is not acceptable)
    • TM30
    • My child to be interviewed.
    • The building manager of the condo to be interviewed and submit copies of their Tabien Baan and Thai ID Card.
    • Photo of child, mother and I.
    • Her mother had to be changed to being the House Master in the condo's blue Tabien baan (done there today)
    • My parent's names transliterated in Thai. (done there)
    • Medical Cert. showing my Blood Group. (copies of medical book from a check up a few years ago presented and accepted)
    • 3 x 2 inch photos signed on the back.



    Copies of every conceivable document were stamped and signed - passport, visa, chanote, transfer docs, kid's birth. cert, financial statements and bank books, driving licences, mother's ID card, passport, bank books, birth cert.


    One issue was the Thai transliteration of my name had a short vowel on the kid's birth cert, but a long vowel on the condo chanote. There was a bit of huffing and tutting about that, but it was decided that we wouldn't have to go change one of them.


    All good fun.


    So now:


    • Gotta go get the CoR from immigration.
    • Get sent copies of property deeds from back home.
    • Grab the building manager and their ID and Tabien Baan and present them for interview.
    • Present kiddo.
    • Photos of me, kiddo and mum.



    No biggie, all okay if not a bit long winded.


    From the Thai conversation, the onus is proving that I'm not a criminal involved in drugs/crimes here. Which seems to be the main concern with all things official nowadays.
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    Oddly enough they also wanted to keep the blue Tabien Baan there with all the signed and stamped documents until we return with the various people to be interviewed and documents from Thai immigration and my home country.


    We graciously declined that kind offer.

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    Congrats to both OhOh and Lulu.


    After all these years, I am still totally unclear on the Pink Thai ID card. Everyone I have spoken to about it, says not necessary and adds no real value. Sometime back I was going to pursue acquiring one and then I got busy and forgot. Everywhere I travel around Thailand I just use my Thai drivers license. I never even carry my Passport. Its locked away at my house somewhere. My wife takes it with her for my 90 day check ins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Congrats to both OhOh and Lulu.
    I've only just undone the bra, I'm not there yet.


    I'll apply for the pink Thai ID card after getting it. No real reason to, no real reason not too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    No real reason to, no real reason not too.
    Yeah that was my thought. I might revisit it again early next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Everywhere I travel around Thailand I just use my Thai drivers license. I never even carry my Passport.
    I used to be the same but in the last few months when driving up and down to Korat province I have been asked for my passport, car book and driving licence.

    The last time at the police stop I pulled up to the soldier and was asked for the my DL, Thai one shown, passport, shown, but the car book although offered was waived away. Much to the amusement of his watching superiors.

    C'est la vie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    I used to be the same but in the last few months when driving up and down to Korat province I have been asked for my passport, car book and driving licence.
    Well that's a bit concerning OhOh. In all my years here I have never been asked for my passport for anything except to open a bank acct and the immigration stuff which makes complete sense. Driving, Hotel check in and anything else, never. Also, I have been pulled aside a few times over the years at road checks but never asked for the green book( I am assuming that whats you mean by car book) or anything else, just license then usually a smile and wave me on. They did their random "whitey" check and all good...

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    Why do they need copies of property deeds from back home? (What have they got to do with a Thai yellow house book?) If you didn't have any, they wouldn't want any, would they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    Oddly enough they also wanted to keep the blue Tabien Baan there with all the signed and stamped documents until we return with the various people to be interviewed and documents from Thai immigration and my home country.


    We graciously declined that kind offer.
    Good idea to decline that kind offer. The chances of them getting "lost" had you left them there would have been high, IMVHO.

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    Or possibly the recent "tell us which province you've been hiding in, since yesterday" incentive.

    Our local police station has mug shots of 'the wanted" posted on the wall, along with reward amounts, so far nobody of similar appearance has been posted. It whiles away the time when family members are being interrogated for one thing or another.

    I suspect over the last few days due to the recent Pattaya event, the traffic queues were somewhat more time consuming.

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    Long, long time ago...

    Yet, if memory serves me right, I had to provide mother's full name (maiden), father's full name, their residence (prior) father deceased, mother lived with me, and our address in the States - even though we had sold the house immediately prior to relocating to Thailand.

    My parents names are listed in the yellow book

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    ^^^^ Didn't ask. Probably so we'd say fuk this, walk out, and save them the work.


    The 2 feelings off the whole thing were:

    They really don't want to give me one.

    They want to make sure that I'm not a dodgy drug dealer or criminal a la Manny or Dill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luigi View Post
    They really don't want to give me one.
    I believe it is, to them, an unusual request, of which they are unsure of the procedures. As my book number ends with 00000000-02.

    The usual tactic of demanding many items didn't work with me as it was one of their officers who stated it could be done. She said I, a foreigner, could be entered in the Thai blue house book. Her boss concurred and off we went to obtain the paperwork requested.

    3 months later after subsequent phone calls from them and another meeting additional papers were requested. My wife was phoned to say they had received approval and to come back.

    I was actually given a Yellow house foreigners book.

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