New ID card for married foreigners ?

[Boon Mee]

DrBob, I have now read through this law and can find nothing to support your statement.

This document is useful: http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0016/001621/162153e.pdf Page 34/175 makes it clear that Tor Ror 14 (blue book) is for “persons with the permanent right to reside in Thailand” whilst Tor Ror 13 (yellow book) is for others (both are Household Registration Books).

I wonder if the confusion arises here. The father of any children registered in the blue book is named on their children’s pages of the registration book but this is not a registration of residence of the father; the father would have his own page were he registered…and this is normally only for “Permanent Residents” (and in cases where someone has made a mistake!)

Should you still disagree, could you quote from the law (Thai or English) and source it please?

It is useful to note that this issue has come up several times in TV and the conclusion has always been as I’ve suggested. Since a great many of the members there are married and/or have children, why do you think they have been unable to get on to the blue book but have been registered in the yellow book instead (like me)?



Itnt, I think you need to re-read my post: I wrote several times that I was NOT put into the blue book but that I eventually requested household registration and was given a yellow book. This is all handled at the local amphur. A description of the process can be found in the UNESCO document I’ve linked to.

From what I can read this is the only correct post - suggest everyone reads and digests - ignore the rest of the rubbish written

Beg your pardon?

The factual information I posted is far from your blinkered interpretation of "Rubbish"...

[Bangyai]

I just went to extend my non o, two months to allow funds to mature.
Lady says no, only 7 days.
I said bs. It's been done before, she says new rule.
Hassled her and she says, oh for marriage, ok.
Then says, no, you don't live in this zone.
Show her drivers lic with local address. Oh, ok.
Looks through the papers , oh, no. Your wife tabian is Nakhon Sawon, you need to go there...
Hassle her and point out its nothing to do with the wife's tabian as its my visa....
Finally she relents and does 3 minutes worth of work.
She spent more time trying to not do it than it actually took.

I think I know that woman at Nonthaburi immigration. Her name should be Mrs Passthebuck.

Still , not as bad as the head honcho at the Amper in Bangyai. She takes one look at a falang....smells unfamilier paperwork , then asks for documents both necessary and unnecessary until she finaly scores a hit and finds something you don't have then tells you it can't be done or will take several days, weeks or months to sort out. Beeeech

[Khonwan]

Boon Mee, farangs who have qualified and been granted permanent residency (or citizenship of course) are always (barring errors) entered into the blue book, and if the wife is already in the blue book for the same address then the farang husband would indeed be entered into his wife’s blue book.

[Boon Mee]

Boon Mee, farangs who have qualified and been granted permanent residency (or citizenship of course) are always (barring errors) entered into the blue book, and if the wife is already in the blue book for the same address then the farang husband would indeed be entered into his wife’s blue book.

Got it.

My reply to joepaai was in reference to his criticism that all information posted other than yours was in his words "Rubbish".

[Pragmatic]

In my case, she didn't require the translation just the word of my Village Headman - Pooyai Baan

I took along the village headman but still had to provide a translation of my passport with the MoFA stamp on it.

Pragmatic, “You don't get "given" it. You apply”. You are being pedantic, and even simply incorrect. If given something after applying for it are you not indeed “given it”?

The way you put it Khonwan was that it's an automatic issue.
If you don't meet the criteria you can't even apply. So no, it's not "given"

[Khonwan]

Pragmatic, I did not say it was automatic. Any misunderstanding lies in your interpretation - my words were correct.

[ltnt]

The factual information I posted is far from your blinkered interpretation of "Rubbish"...

My reply to joepaai was in reference to his criticism that all information posted other than yours was in his words "Rubbish".

I took along the village headman but still had to provide a translation of my passport with the MoFA stamp on it.

I'm slowly becoming an expert at just about every situation and legal decree. Yet some here call out the posters as Bullshit! fucking Amazing Thailand, where everyone who applies for Thai Immigration or Government actions are treated as complete and utter imbeciles by the local officials who never bothered to learn the regulations for the jobs in which they occupy.

It seems its just a place to go every day for a paycheck not dependent on work effort or knowing one's job criteria, but rather just sitting there guessing what lie to tell the next applicant. Great just fucking great!

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS!

[sranchito]

I'm slowly becoming an expert at just about every situation and legal decree. Yet some here call out the posters as Bullshit! fucking Amazing Thailand, where everyone who applies for Thai Immigration or Government actions are treated as complete and utter imbeciles by the local officials who never bothered to learn the regulations for the jobs in which they occupy.

It seems its just a place to go every day for a paycheck not dependent on work effort or knowing one's job criteria, but rather just sitting there guessing what lie to tell the next applicant. Great just fucking great!

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS![/QUOTE]

Well, that is not unique to Thailand. It has been my experience that government workers the world over are like that. Seems the higher in government you go, the worse it gets.

[wasabi]

The correct documentation is vital.In the EU this documentation gives you housing,benefits for life.What is the matter with Thai immigration,can't they understand this document,EU officials can.

[ltnt]

^WTF is that? Afghanistan EU membership? France is pushing for it.

[sranchito]

It is not really surprizing is it? France and Germany are fast becoming muslim states. Soon, it will be that way across the EU right on into old Blighty. Thailand should be looking closely at this with the unrest in the South.

[Brown Sugar]

No, not Thai.
My wife owned the home years before we were married.
It's her home and land and she is Thai.
She told me she had my name added.
When making previous applications for my Non O and Non B, photocopies
of the blue book are used to support the visa application.
I wouldn't even be able to apply for a yellow book because
I don't own a residence.

Like yourself I do not actually legally own the property I built six years ago. However never any mention at any time re this "yellow" book don't know for sure if my name in "blue" book but I have a piece of paper duly signed and stamped at the local ampour which is good for fifteen years (looking at the dates entered) stating that I am resident at my house. On the annual visa application the presentation of the blue book and a copy of this paper seems to satisfy all needs with our local immigration department. As some one has commented things vary depending where you reside and how the local officials interpret the rules. One thing I have noticed though my wife is very active in the areas Buddha system and appears to be acknowledged by local officials, don't know whether this makes a difference when she is with me?? But who cares as it pours oil on troubled waters and appears outwardly to make for easy living. One warning do not trust Thai Lawyers I recently paid THB 2000:00 to have a paper drawn up to protect my wife on my demise so that any monies in my Thai bank account went to her and not hers or my (UK) daughter. Presented this to the SCB for verification and was told this paper was useless as the only way to guarantee ones wishes was to visit the local ampour have them make out the "will" and register it and keep it on file giving the wife a receipt to retrieve it upon my death cost just THB 150:00. The lawyer by the way showed me his qualification and a picture of him recieving his "deploma" to practise law from a member of the royal family Another lesson from the land of smiles.

[Boon Mee]

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS!

You're not?

Why?

[charleyboy]

Brian. I've often wondered about the 'Bank book' scenario.
Before these idiots changed the rules, upon my demise the wife would have automatic access to our joint account.
Thanks for the tip regarding the local Amphur.

[poorfalang]

It is not really surprizing is it? France and Germany are fast becoming muslim states. Soon, it will be that way across the EU right on into old Blighty. Thailand should be looking closely at this with the unrest in the South.

what is wrong with that, we are all Muslims, we just don't know it yet,

[poorfalang]

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS!

You're not?

Why?

could we falangs be able to legally own a gun?

[Pragmatic]

as the only way to guarantee ones wishes was to visit the local ampour have them make out the "will"

I believe this is called a 'living will' and must be written in Thai by the person making it. So that counts many farang out. I understand it to be the only will in Thailand that is uncontestable, and will cost you about 100 Baht to deposit.
I don't know if the 'living will' is acceptable if someone writes it for you, and you sign it. I think it would be due to the amount of Thais that cannot write.
Sorry my mistake. A 'living will' is different to a 'will'
http://www.bangkokroughguide.info/fo...thailand-5322/

[Brown Sugar]

Brian. I've often wondered about the 'Bank book' scenario.
Before these idiots changed the rules, upon my demise the wife would have automatic access to our joint account.
Thanks for the tip regarding the local Amphur.

Hi Charliboy Don't know how you get by with a joint bank account (nothing to do with not trusting wife etc) but I am required by my local immigration office to have my own personal account to indicate the THB 400,000 2 month deposit system prior to application of my spousal visa. Other than that I never have a problem with my visa and the local immigration officers could not be more helpful. I would be interested to know though if immigration accept your joint account as proof of monies deposited?
Having said all this unfortunately due to the present exchange rates my UK guaranteed state (have tried to obtain a married mans allowance but our kindly Gordon Brown put a stop to this just before his was kicked out of office) and private pension does not meet the minimum required for a visa (no problem up to about three years ago) even though I have more than ample funds tied up with long term investments in the UK these are not acceptable against a visa application. Brian

[Brown Sugar]

as the only way to guarantee ones wishes was to visit the local ampour have them make out the "will"

I believe this is called a 'living will' and must be written in Thai by the person making it. So that counts many farang out. I understand it to be the only will in Thailand that is uncontestable, and will cost you about 100 Baht to deposit.
I don't know if the 'living will' is acceptable if someone writes it for you, and you sign it. I think it would be due to the amount of Thais that cannot write.
Sorry my mistake. A 'living will' is different to a 'will'
Living Wills in Thailand!

I was informed quite clearly, in English, by the Siam Commercial Bank that the only paper which is any good has to be witten (as you say) in Thai and signed by me,my wife and the head of the 'ampur' it has to be duly registered and held by the ampor. Any paper work what ever it is called raised by a lawyer has no legal standing even if signed by yourself,wife,the lawyer and an independent witness.

[sranchito]

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS!

You're not?

Why?

Just as an aside, do you know what the cost of a 12 gauge shell is in Thailand? Right around B45. Better be a good shot is all I can say about that.

Seeing as how this is my 223'rd post, I wonder what a round of .223 costs?

[RickThai]

The factual information I posted is far from your blinkered interpretation of "Rubbish"...

My reply to joepaai was in reference to his criticism that all information posted other than yours was in his words "Rubbish".

I took along the village headman but still had to provide a translation of my passport with the MoFA stamp on it.

I'm slowly becoming an expert at just about every situation and legal decree. Yet some here call out the posters as Bullshit! fucking Amazing Thailand, where everyone who applies for Thai Immigration or Government actions are treated as complete and utter imbeciles by the local officials who never bothered to learn the regulations for the jobs in which they occupy.

It seems its just a place to go every day for a paycheck not dependent on work effort or knowing one's job criteria, but rather just sitting there guessing what lie to tell the next applicant. Great just fucking great!

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS!

Thai officials (and many Thai people) are more concerned with losing face and wielding power (not to mention earning a little tea money) than they are with consistent enforcement (and/or knowledge) of the rules. That's why I always like to take along someone with a little authority (my Thai BIL who is a police captain) when dealing with Thai bureaucrats. Things just seem to go a little smoother.

RickThai

[charleyboy]

Brian. I was talking about prior to the change in law regarding, joint bank accounts.
I now have my seperate account.

[jamescollister]

The factual information I posted is far from your blinkered interpretation of "Rubbish"...

My reply to joepaai was in reference to his criticism that all information posted other than yours was in his words "Rubbish".

I took along the village headman but still had to provide a translation of my passport with the MoFA stamp on it.

I'm slowly becoming an expert at just about every situation and legal decree. Yet some here call out the posters as Bullshit! fucking Amazing Thailand, where everyone who applies for Thai Immigration or Government actions are treated as complete and utter imbeciles by the local officials who never bothered to learn the regulations for the jobs in which they occupy.

It seems its just a place to go every day for a paycheck not dependent on work effort or knowing one's job criteria, but rather just sitting there guessing what lie to tell the next applicant. Great just fucking great!

I'm thankful I'm not allowed a gun. FFS!

Thai officials (and many Thai people) are more concerned with losing face and wielding power (not to mention earning a little tea money) than they are with consistent enforcement (and/or knowledge) of the rules. That's why I always like to take along someone with a little authority (my Thai BIL who is a police captain) when dealing with Thai bureaucrats. Things just seem to go a little smoother.

RickThai

I just take my kids, 4 and 5, the phones are out and the pics are taken, every female in the Government office are all over them. Could take people of standing, but the kids win hearts and minds. Jim

[poorfalang]

I just take my kids, 4 and 5, the phones are out and the pics are taken, every female in the Government office are all over them. Could take people of standing, but the kids win hearts and minds. Jim

same here, mate i take the kids to when i have to deal with Thai civil servants, never a problem, the love it, they get the attention, i get my stuff done easily.