Thread: is the bacteria h. pylori common in LOS .. gastric ulcer

is that a question or a statement ?

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Click on these

Helicobacter pylori - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Travelers to Thailand at Risk for Bacteria Infection

Particularly the part which says :
How H. pylori is Treated
H. pylori is usually treated with a combination of antibiotics and acid suppressants. This combination is called triple therapy, and has shown to be 90% effective in people who follow through with it for 15 days. The 3 most common medications used in this combination are two antibiotics, such as Clarithromycin and Amoxicillin, and a proton pump inhibitor, such as Prilosec or Prevacid. Once a person is treated with these medications, H. pylori will rarely return in most cases.

And also :
You may want to try natural alternatives, but only as a last resort. It's best to see a doctor and get on a triple therapy regimen, because even if your stomach symptoms are relieved, the bacteria may still be in your stomach and may begin to populate again

thanks for the link:
In a study performed in Thailand in 1990 55% of people in their 20's and 75% of people between 30 and 50 years of age were infected
= wide spread
Seeing a doctor can be difficult sometimes and expensive
I've spent over $2k so far.
for what ever reason my symptoms are severe.

I'm not sure I contracted the bacteria in Thailand .. symptoms developed 6 weeks after my return to the us ..
the fact that the standard antibiotic regimes had little effect is a major concern ..= is the strain of h. pylori I contracted antibiotic resistant?
antibiotics at regular strength & 2x strength have produced little benefit

one theory is that they can spread it to food or cooking utensils and silverware, when flies land on them, which is then consumed by humans. Another theory is that it's spread by drinking from water contaminated with fecal matter or other human or animal contaminants.

You should avoid kissing strangers
this bacteria is a bitch!& the double dose of antibioticsClarithromycin and Amoxicillin were a major test of my commitment to over come the bacteria .. Clarithromycin has major side effects

You may have the Asian strain, whereas your stomach may only be used to the Western strain....


Aussie scientist Barry Marshall won the Nobel Prize for discovering the bacterial cause of stomach ulcers. But he also proposed that he could tell where you were born and where your family comes from by the DNA of your helicobacter. Given that half the world's population carry helicobacter, it could be a useful way of researching human migration.

NARRATION
They say that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. And it seems that it's also the way to a man's past.

Half the world's population carries bacteria in their tummies called Helicobacter pylori.

Helicobacter is the only bacteria tough enough to live in the apocalyptic conditions of the human stomach.

But it turns out the DNA of the helicobacter in your tummy differs depending on where you're from. So people from Asia have very different helicobacter to those from Europe.

Presumably your doctor has you on an inhibitor eg. Losec, Lansoprazole, Omeprazol?
Taking a daily maintenance dose should reduce the acid production which causes the pain allowing you to eat and drink pretty much what you want although I still have trigger foods that have me reach for the antacid viz pizza and green peppers ( not the chili variety which causes no problem, funnily enough).

Originally Posted by foreigner

I can attest straight whiskey is the best pain relief for this condition.

I cut my foot open the other day, a friend called it a 2 bottle wound

Originally Posted by thegent

Presumably your doctor has you on an inhibitor eg. Losec, Lansoprazole, Omeprazol?
Taking a daily maintenance dose should reduce the acid production which causes the pain allowing you to eat and drink pretty much what you want although I still have trigger foods that have me reach for the antacid viz pizza and green peppers ( not the chili variety which causes no problem, funnily enough).

the green chilis like in Thai food lower stomach acid .. not sure where I got that & a quick google this AM produced no back up article

the lass whom I attribute my ordeal to would eat heaping spoon fulls of thai green chilis & then not eat anything else .. even 1 piece of those lil f'ers has always been something I avoided.
her consumption of real food was so low I attempted to feed her only a couple times ..
shots of tequila were another of her main stays 3 or 4 shots before noon was not unusual.

this thing is a b!tch.
I'm literally afraid to eat.
I'm reading this morning that surgery is sometimes necessary..

#1 recommended prilosec / Omeprazol has some negative side effects with me
zantac / Ranitidine acts quicker & has less negative effect for me
the potential long term negative side effects from these new age antacids are worrisome.
the antibiotic clarithromycin is a stomach up-setter to the nth degree.

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Originally Posted by foreigner

I can attest straight whiskey is the best pain relief for this condition.

I cut my foot open the other day, a friend called it a 2 bottle wound

Can we get serious mannnn.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You may have the Asian strain, whereas your stomach may only be used to the Western strain....


Aussie scientist Barry Marshall won the Nobel Prize for discovering the bacterial cause of stomach ulcers. But he also proposed that he could tell where you were born and where your family comes from by the DNA of your helicobacter. Given that half the world's population carry helicobacter, it could be a useful way of researching human migration.

NARRATION
They say that the way to a man's heart is through his stomach. And it seems that it's also the way to a man's past.

Half the world's population carries bacteria in their tummies called Helicobacter pylori.

Helicobacter is the only bacteria tough enough to live in the apocalyptic conditions of the human stomach.

But it turns out the DNA of the helicobacter in your tummy differs depending on where you're from. So people from Asia have very different helicobacter to those from Europe.

are you shittin me ?

'foreigner' i also have a friend
who may have the same problem
and he is living in Thailand at the moment.
He mentioned eating cold food dishes.

Even though I have lived in Thailand for years and consider my stomach to be made from cast iron, I have had problems with this recently. My stomach had become sore. I could put my hand on it and it would hurt. There was a feeling of something in my throat all of the time.

My doctor told me that it was h. pylori. He said it is very common here. I had been under a bit of stress lately and he said that stress was the trigger for the bacteria to grow uncontrolled.

He put me on the triple medication treatment and after just three days the symptoms have cleared up.

Originally Posted by misskit

Even though I have lived in Thailand for years and consider my stomach to be made from cast iron, I have had problems with this recently. My stomach had become sore. I could put my hand on it and it would hurt. There was a feeling of something in my throat all of the time.

My doctor told me that it was h. pylori. He said it is very common here. I had been under a bit of stress lately and he said that stress was the trigger for the bacteria to grow uncontrolled.

He put me on the triple medication treatment and after just three days the symptoms have cleared up.

the triple meds seems to be the standard treatment.
I did 14 days of the 3 w/ 500mg clarithromycin 2 x per day
then 10 days of the 3 with 1000mg clarithromycin 2x per day

walking & hot showers seem to lessen my discomfort .. F' that, my PAIN
I've also had chills w/o fever .. feel cold even when others have on shorts & tea shirt.

I'm getting on in decades .. a weakened immune system is one of the expected results of aging .. ??
I've never purchased a tums or a pepto bisomo (us grocery store antacids) before in my life

for some reason I've had an extra special bad week
since easter / songkan 3 times I've felt better & 3 times I've increased my activity level (yard work / gym) & 3 times the next day / week has been horrible

Originally Posted by billy the kid

Originally Posted by sabaii sabaii

Originally Posted by foreigner

I can attest straight whiskey is the best pain relief for this condition.

I cut my foot open the other day, a friend called it a 2 bottle wound

Can we get serious mannnn.

I've been reading Thai forums going back to KS's Nana Plaza & get more laughs on this forum than any of the others

the current limerick lass thread (world news) is as creative funny as a forum can get.

^ Sorry to hear you had a bad week. Hope you get better soon.

Originally Posted by foreigner

Originally Posted by thegent

Presumably your doctor has you on an inhibitor eg. Losec, Lansoprazole, Omeprazol?
Taking a daily maintenance dose should reduce the acid production which causes the pain allowing you to eat and drink pretty much what you want although I still have trigger foods that have me reach for the antacid viz pizza and green peppers ( not the chili variety which causes no problem, funnily enough).

the green chilis like in Thai food lower stomach acid .. not sure where I got that & a quick google this AM produced no back up article

the lass whom I attribute my ordeal to would eat heaping spoon fulls of thai green chilis & then not eat anything else .. even 1 piece of those lil f'ers has always been something I avoided.
her consumption of real food was so low I attempted to feed her only a couple times ..
shots of tequila were another of her main stays 3 or 4 shots before noon was not unusual.

this thing is a b!tch.
I'm literally afraid to eat.
I'm reading this morning that surgery is sometimes necessary..

#1 recommended prilosec / Omeprazol has some negative side effects with me
zantac / Ranitidine acts quicker & has less negative effect for me
the potential long term negative side effects from these new age antacids are worrisome.
the antibiotic clarithromycin is a stomach up-setter to the nth degree.

Ranitidine has been superseded by at least 2 generations of inhibitors. The risk of long term effects from prolonged use of these drugs is much less than the risk of not dealing with the consequences of over acidity. Try lansoprazole/Zoton at 15mg daily maintenance or if your doctor agrees, 30 mg to begin with. Once stabilised you can reduce the level and pulse the treatment when symptoms are aggravated. Usually, a balanced diet and only a moderate alcohol intake helps and if you are a smoker, give up - it buggers the stomach up.

gonna need to put some good bacteria back into the system.

helicobacter is very common here (see above) and is usually NOT adequately treated,
not even diagnosed

the necessary diagnostic tests (stool serology, breath test) are relatively expensive
triple therapy is hardly ever used
even PPI (omeprazole and so on) are rarely used although they are dirt cheap and sold OTC
Thais usually buy ranitidine at a pharmacy - which is an obsolete and ineffective treatment

most people can tolerate it and no problems are caused by it's presence

many problems are caused by its long term presence, it is believed that the chronic inflammation caused by this bacteria can lead to malignant changes in the gastric epithelium.

the presence of the bacteria can be determined by a very simple breath test.

Originally Posted by taxexile

many problems are caused by its long term presence

in some people; in the majority, no effects can be seen or felt, it may even be necessary


Helicobacter pylori - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, over 80 percent of individuals infected with the bacterium are asymptomatic and it has been postulated that it may play an important role in the natural stomach ecology[1].
More than 50% of the world's population harbor H. pylori in their upper gastrointestinal tract.

the test for H pylori is the stool antigen test
the breath test is done as a control,whether the therapy has worked

asymptomatic H pylori in Thailand? u gotta be kidding, right? almost every single Thai here has "lokapo" . and they are neither tested nor treated, they take ranitidine like candy

I was prescribed Omeprazol after coming down with a bad stomach infection when I lived in BKK. It turned out that I had and ulcer along with the infection, and yes, h. pylori was the culprit. I found the Omeprazol worked along with eating or avoiding certain foods or drinks.