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    ^150/90 is the new acceptable MAXIMUM for elderly (over 60) patients. It's the maximum, not the desirable. I'm almost 70, and mine is 110/70. I've never had it hit 130, and would freak if it did.

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    You do have good genetics on your side Davis, and I think you recently solved the major stress of power outages.
    Im sure you’ll be just fine mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^150/90 is the new acceptable MAXIMUM for elderly (over 60) patients. It's the maximum, not the desirable. I'm almost 70, and mine is 110/70. I've never had it hit 130, and would freak if it did.
    I have just done mine.
    1st.test 158/73
    2nd.15min.later 138/73
    3rd.just after I open the gates for the wife 147/76 all the pulse readings were the same 51.
    so if the op.is concerned get your own machine.its more reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    You do have good genetics on your side Davis, and I think you recently solved the major stress of power outages.
    Im sure you’ll be just fine mate.
    Wish I could agree...however, the solar thing didn't work out. There were simply too many panels required, they were bigger than I had expected, and the roof configuration of my house wouldn't allow for that many to be installed. Out of luck, sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    That's what mine is WITH the medication.

    Quit the beer for a month and see. If no difference go back! OR reduce to 2 beers a sitting max.
    Is it the beer of the alcohol in the beer? I notice a difference when I drink Red Horse.

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    ^^^Yes getting your own machine is a must (imo) for anyone over 45, or younger if there's a history of high BP in the family. For the sake of about a hundred bucks, they're handy to have.

    As for the readings, my GP had me measure and log BP readings on an Excel spreadsheet a minimum of 5 times a day over the course of a week with a note beside each entry with time of day and activity level. This made perfect sense, of course your BP and HR will be lower 10 minutes after waking up than it will be 10 minutes after exercise sort of thing. That's the method he used over 3 weeks to get the med dosage right, there's plenty of different meds for this but you don't want to be taking too much or too little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Is it the beer of the alcohol in the beer? I notice a difference when I drink Red Horse.
    The alcohol! it doesn't matter what your "poison" is, be it gin, whiskey, vodka whatever - your body breaks down & deals with all alcohol the same way. Once you have alcohol in your system your body will prioritise on getting rid of it as it recognises it as the poison it is, other digestive functions go on hold! As you get older becomes harder for the body to break down, least its that way with me!

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    I'll drink to that.

    Excessive alcohol consumption can have numerous adverse effects on the brain. ... Bottom Line: While alcohol intoxication is only temporary, chronic alcohol abuse can impair brain function permanently. However, moderate drinking may have benefits for brain health, especially among elderly people.4 Jun 2017
    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/alcohol-good-or-bad





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    mine bounces wildy between 200/120 and 120/80, doc not concerned !!

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    ^You're fucking kidding right?. Who's your Doctor, and Indian intern??.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    mine bounces wildy between 200/120 and 120/80, doc not concerned !!
    According to everything I have read, you are in hypertensive crisis, need to call 911, and are in a world of hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    call 911
    Or 1669 for the Pattaya Body snatchers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    It was taken by my wife who has recently had a BP unit put in her shop by a friend who sells insurance
    Like that machine's not gonna be miscalibrated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fondles View Post
    mine bounces wildy between 200/120 and 120/80, doc not concerned !!
    Maybe - but you should certainly be concerned.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nidhogg View Post
    Maybe - but you should certainly be concerned.....
    Yeah, need to remember to take me meds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Humbert View Post
    I don't know how old you are but after age 50 it not sensible to avoid regular blood and cardio check ups every few months. Fear of doctors is irrational. The risks of Hypertension, harmful lipid conditions, kidney problems, liver problems and most importantly diabetes increase dramatically with age. Waiting for something bad to happen and then seeking medical care is not responsible. Too many men, especially men, avoid doctors out of fear that something bad will be discovered.
    Honestly Humbert I do not fear doctors, I simply do not trust them when it comes to general health care. I have witnessed far too many colleagues and friends of mine that get on these pill routines because their doctor said so. Whats scary is how people do not question them. It becomes too easy for doctors to prescribe meds, bill your insurance to get paid and send you on your way and I bet very few consider the drug interactions and the long term side effects of the meds they prescribed. Quite frankly if you read about the meds you are taking they might address the issue the doc identified but the side effects are worse then what it is trying to help. If you are self aware and pay attention your body will tell you when something is not right. That said I am not against annual check ups but if they come back and say "Well Mr Jppr2 your cholesterol is a bit high take this pill or you BP was a bit high take this pill etc etc". I will say thanks but no thanks. I will address it with diet, exercise and other ways then hop on the pill train. This is what bothers me about healthcare management. Rather then explain to the patient that they had some high readings in certain tests and then give them some actions to go off to improve it and return in 30 days or so, they just medicate with endless refills. It sickens me when I see people with those "Mon through Sunday" pill organizers and they are loaded with pills. When you ask them, some say they do not even know what it is but the doc said they had to take it because of the other med they are taking. Imagine what your liver and kidney are trying to filter with all that crap in them.

    Here is a Youtube vid from Lewis Black (comedian). Skip to about the 1 min 58 sec mark. Funny but true in many regards to what he says.




    In the end we are all different and the standards they have set do not take this into account. So they medicate people to a standard.

    I still say Cujo should take the test about 4 or 5 more times over the next 30 days and track the data. Even blood tests can be misleading. My daughter is a RN/Anesthesiologist and she tells me some interesting blood work stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatic View Post
    I'll drink to that.

    Excessive alcohol consumption can have numerous adverse effects on the brain. ... Bottom Line: While alcohol intoxication is only temporary, chronic alcohol abuse can impair brain function permanently. However, moderate drinking may have benefits for brain health, especially among elderly people.4 Jun 2017
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    Me too..

    Cheers....

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    I tend to agree with you as far as trusting Doctors, I just think they are like most other people but have spent time learning what book to look in to identify the health problems of their patients. Like most people there are good ones and not so good.
    About 20 years ago when I was a very fat crunt my Doctor (and she was one I considered as very good) asked me to do a glucose tolerance test and I told her why bother we both know I am going to die! Her answer was , yes Ootai but I am trying to stop you dying blind and in pain! I had the test and it was not good so I had to make some changes and now I am just a fat crunt (100kg and 182cm tall) but still alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton View Post
    ^150/90 is the new acceptable MAXIMUM for elderly (over 60) patients. It's the maximum, not the desirable. I'm almost 70, and mine is 110/70. I've never had it hit 130, and would freak if it did.
    I am 58+, ~175Cm (5ft 75in) tall, weight moves around between 71kgs (156lbs) and 73kgs (160lbs) pretty consistently and has for years. My last BP check (about a year or so ago) when I had a tetanus shot here in Thailand after I cut my arm was 131/82. Well in the norm range for one quick test. I will likely submit to have a basic physical when I turn 60 just to see where I am at and make adjustments if required but not going to upside down my life for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    Like most people there are good ones and not so good.
    Absolutely. One thing that is really bad about the US medical care system is when you work for a company they have their insurance and that insurance has doctors in their system that you have to see or pay dearly to go outside "The Network". Just before I left the U.S. to move and work here again, a doc friend of mine left his medical practice inside a network and started his own wellness practice. His focus was no meds but health programs to get you back on track. I admire him quite a bit. Downside though is insurance companies will not recognize him and thus many cannot go see him so anything you do with him is out of pocket but he has seen a continual patient growth year over year. But you get first class service. His track record is outstanding and he can be reached 24 hrs a day in the event of an emergency.

    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
    I had the test and it was not good so I had to make some changes and now I am just a fat crunt (100kg and 182cm tall) but still alive.
    That's the key, making changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by somtamslap View Post
    Quite right. It took me a sustained hour of chilling the fuck out to achieve the desired result... it was a lot higher!

    High blood pressure. Any advice?-33dc77b9-4178-45a6-82b9-91f234fa4963-1-a
    This is really impressive, considering that you used to be a self-confessed fat cvnt, and we witnessed your taking up cycling. No injuries from high-impact exercise doing that....but have you ever impacted upon the road ?


    My resting heart rate the other day was 56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ootai View Post
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    I tend to agree with you as far as trusting Doctors, I just think they are like most other people but have spent time learning what book to look in to identify the health problems of their patients. Like most people there are good ones and not so good.
    About 20 years ago when I was a very fat crunt my Doctor (and she was one I considered as very good) asked me to do a glucose tolerance test and I told her why bother we both know I am going to die! Her answer was , yes Ootai but I am trying to stop you dying blind and in pain! I had the test and it was not good so I had to make some changes and now I am just a fat crunt (100kg and 182cm tall) but still alive.
    The vast majority of doctors are trained drug sales folk, nothing more nor less, if they "prescribe" something that isn't approved they get struck off for malpractice! Look at the history of medicine, who sponsors the universities? at the end of the day the fact is they are trained to sell drugs, they do have a great PR program though, got to give them that!
    Off course there are exceptions, though in my experience they are few and far between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPPR2 View Post
    Holy Shit......Why give up all you like and enjoy to live to an age where you don't do anything anyway?

    It's all about moderation.
    It's all about the individual's constitution, imo.

    Our bodies (and lives) are so unique, so some of us can tolerate certain moderate use of toxins well while others grow allergic or find they'd never really adjusted to continual intake and their tolerance is weakening due to age.

    If I was the op, I'd be spending an inordinate amount of time discovering what it is that my body is reacting to thru trial and error w/a journal nearby while practicing sensible dieting & exercise (don't 4get the H2O).

    Once you have a healthy life on track to enjoy, one can begin moderately adding little pleasures and counteract their potential ill effects with water, daily x-cise, etc.

    just my opinion of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airportwo View Post
    The vast majority of doctors are trained drug sales folk, nothing more nor less, if they "prescribe" something that isn't approved they get struck off for malpractice! Look at the history of medicine, who sponsors the universities? at the end of the day the fact is they are trained to sell drugs, they do have a great PR program though, got to give them that!
    Off course there are exceptions, though in my experience they are few and far between.
    One of my daughters married a research pharmacist. The guy was really sharp. Knew everything about new drugs and old and interactions and he was free! I just emailed him any time I had a question. Turns out he was getting a lot of free samples and using them himself. Daughter divorced him when he was caught driving erratically with the two kids. Oh well. But my point is, out of 20 pharmacists I have actually found two good ones in Thailand. One guy is really great. Although he doesn't like Farang which is a slight problem. But the other one who is not so good likes Farang. Worthwhile cultivating a pharmacist relationship here. I had a long talk with my Dr. about not prescribing me meds at the hospital which worked for 3 years and then out of the blue he started prescribing again which I had to stop at the cashier but I felt stupid. So now I tell him at the end of every visit that I have lots of drugs. PS check everything. Take the smart phone to the hospital. He almost killed me twice and he is a good doctor (young, published and takes care of hi so Thais).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    He almost killed me twice and he is a good doctor
    In what fucking universe is he good?

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