Thread: Irratable Bowel Syndrome

Irritable Bowl Syndrome, have there been any advances regarding the reason for or treatment of ?

Might have a look at a fecal transplant. They are learning more about the role of bacteria in the digestive system everyday.

There was a TV doco recently about fecial transplants, very interesting.

There was a TV doco recently about fecial transplants, very interesting.

indeed.

a treatment option not to be sniffed at.

Stop drinking beer. Take Pro Biotics. That gut bacteria can resolve a variety of digestive maladies. I was able to stop taking Miracid every day.

Lactobacillus acidophilus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you're looking for a fecal transplant donor, you should choose them carefully. Their good health is paramount. You're importing an entire ecosystem.

Originally Posted by taxexile

There was a TV doco recently about fecial transplants, very interesting.

indeed.

a treatment option not to be sniffed at.

It shits all over the current treatments.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

If you're looking for a fecal transplant donor, you should choose them carefully. Their good health is paramount. You're importing an entire ecosystem.

I am going to ask Beyoncé - if it does not work I will use the left overs for toothpaste.

I would recommend intermittent fasting (IF). My IBS disappeared after 1 month of IF, the stool was quite solid and there was no spraying. A great result.

You can try mebeverine hydrochloride. May help.

Thankyou for the replys, a little extra information, it is my 35 year old son who has cronic IBS. He fails to put on weight, yet he is quite fit, works 12 hrs a day, also he does not drink. He has had every test known to medical sience, all to no avail.
He has been to dietician's, no use, had tests where he eliminates given foods etc, had his sh-t tested, tested frozen, you name it, nothing..
I appreciate some alter their diets with great results, my son has been doing that for years now. The one thing that appered to give relief, was when he went to the USA 18 months ago, he experianced better health, talking about that, the conclusion was,,,,, food products containing soy are not readily available in the states,,,, maybe something in that. ??????
I have asked similar questions on TD before, just a follow up just incase,
Thanx

^ I think a lot has to do with stress and anxiety. That holiday in America seems to point to that being the case with your son.

I have a friend and sister in law who both have it. They both suffer panic attacks, especially my friend who has to shit, or try to, every time he leaves his house.

Good point Dillinger, my son has mentioned this a possible reason for his better health while away.

It may be he case with some people but not all. Some sufferers of IBS get serious ulcers and bleed out a lot.

But then again, stomach ulcers are caused by Helicobacter Pylori, but are still made worse by stress.

I must look into it.....still don't understand the connection.

Had IBS since 1985, had the endoscopy 'camera down the throat into bowel' and nothing seen, tried to lay off dairy, wheat et al and still have it now.
Strangely whilst drinking alcohol I do not feel the aggravation but when I go tee-total for any time it savages me.

IBS is a bitch. Have had it for 20 years. Just suddenly appeared one day with an almighty bang.

It plays out differently for every individual, and changes over time. What it does NOT do is result in or have anything to do with ulcers and bleeding. Tests done for IBS are to exclude other conditions, not to confirm IBS. There are no tests for IBS.

You can dance around with excluding food groups and tuning diet, good luck. Best I've found in managing it is small portions.

Lately I've found mebeverine hydrochloride helps manage mine. For the rest I've given up, tried it all. And I really mean all.

IBS is not life threatening in any way. It just fucks up your life. Make pain your friend.

Originally Posted by Munted

I would recommend intermittent fisting (IF). My IBS disappeared after 1 month of IF, the stool was quite solid and there was no spraying. A great result.

But didn't it rip your arse to shreds?

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

food products containing soy are not readily available in the states

My 34 year old son has IBS, he is Vegan lives in the USA and uses soy products in most foods. Other than the discomfort and having to go shit all the time he is fit, healthy and regularly competes in half marathons. He has tried all the tests but nothing seems to work, Yet!

A few of you guys can relate to my sons problem with IBS and I appreciate your responce. I know he is not alone with the condition, as FlyFree said " it just fucks up your life " so true indeed.
It appears to be one of todays medical conditions, with no answer as to why, how, or how to fix.

Originally Posted by Carnwadrick

My 34 year old son has IBS, he is Vegan lives in the USA and uses soy products in most foods. Other than the discomfort and having to go shit all the time he is fit, healthy and regularly competes in half marathons. He has tried all the tests but nothing seems to work, Yet!

Fecal transplants are the way to go....really. There is a very complex ecosystem in there !

@LatinDancer

I have studied IBS intensively for many years, coz it caused havoc in my life, so know a bit about it. If there is something that helps - beyond the superficial - I am most interested to know about it.

Don't take it personally, but your statement re IBS and ulcers/bleeding is rubbish so makes me rather sceptical about how much you know. But that does not mean your fecal transplant recommendation is also rubbish.

Had a quick read on it. Nowhere near convinced. I know the gut bacteria role and it's importance, but IBS is more than that.

Probiotics etc are of extremely limited usefulness in handling IBS. If it was as simple as bacteria then IBS would not be much of a problem worldwide.


If anyone has some real results they can point me to re fecal transplants it will be most appreciated.

There are a plethora of reasons I doubt it will help much.

Latin dancer has IBS

Irritable bastard syndrome

Hah ! I'll give you the sulking of your life !

No offence taken, Flyfree. My statement about ulcers was entirely off the top of my head. Possibly I was thinking about Crohn's Disease.

Upon looking at IBS further, it appears that there are various factors contributing to IBS, including, but not limited to : inflammation, previous antibiotic use, and gut flora. There are reasons to believe that quantitative and qualitative changes in gut flora may contribute to this disorder. The intestinal microflora of patients with IBS differs from that of healthy subjects.
If you do a Goolgle search on the words "intestinal microflora irritable bowel syndrome", you will come up with a few very relevant results in the first page only.

Furthermore the sources are not New Age-type naturopaths but places like PubMed and Medscape.

For instance :

Research

There is some evidence to suggest that an imbalance between the amount of 'good' and 'bad' bacteria in the bowel may be responsible for IBS symptoms. Some studies have indicated that it is possible to restore the healthy balance of bacteria in patients with IBS by introducing new living organisms, known as probiotics, into the gut. Commercially available probiotics can be found in certain yoghurts and other products containing Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidum. Other species of bacteria that have shown success in the treatment of IBS include Lactobacillus plantarum and caseii, Enterococcus fecalis and Clostridium butyricum. Because it has proven difficult to determine the precise organisms that may be lacking in IBS, international researchers, including those here at the Centre for Digestive Diseases, are investigating the potential use of the entire natural bacteria contained in human faeces for the treatment of IBS. This treatment has been successfully used in patients with severe diarrhoea caused by Clostridium difficile and in a small number of cases of severe inflammatory bowel disease and may yet offer the most effective treatment alternative for patients suffering IBS. (see www.probiotictherapy.com.au)
Irritable Bowel Syndrome


There is now evidence to support the idea that disturbances in the bacteria that populate the intestine may have a role in at least some people with irritable bowel syndrome (IBS).
Gut Bacteria and IBS - aboutIBS.org


The intestinal microflora may influence the structure (including maturation of blood vessels), physiology, biochemistry, immunology, and gene expression of the host; these effects may contribute to the development and maintenance of gut digestive and defensive functions.[3] Evidence to confirm the role of altered gut flora in IBS has been scanty to date. However, there are reasons to believe that quantitative and qualitative changes in gut flora may contribute to this disorder.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/716633_2




IBS is a too complex entity, in which a role of intestinal bacterial flora may be relevant, but also not the only one.
Irritable bowel syndrome: are intestinal bacteria the cause? - ResearchGate



This one is pretty heavy reading but quite good : Irritable Bowel Syndrome, Gut Microbiota and Probiotics




And from Wiki on Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth (SIBO) :

Some studies reported up to 80% of patients with irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) have SIBO (using the hydrogen breath test). Subsequent studies demonstrated statistically significant reduction in IBS symptoms following therapy for SIBO.[24][25][26]
There is a lack of consensus however, regarding the suggested link between IBS and SIBO. Other authors concluded that the abnormal breath results so common in IBS patients do not suggest SIBO, and state that "abnormal fermentation timing and dynamics of the breath test findings support a role for abnormal intestinal bacterial distribution in IBS." [27] There is general consensus that breath tests are abnormal in IBS, however the disagreement lies in whether this is representative of SIBO.[28] More research is needed to clarifiy this possible link.



As you say, there is a lot more going on than just a few probiotics can fix. That is why I say that an entire ecosystem from a (very) healthy and well-screened person (possibly a family member) needs to be transplanted....as described here :

http://www.cdd.com.au/pdf/publications/paper12.pdf