Thread: Dangers of Excess Alcohol Consumption

^ Well done mate ,, its not easy for some people I know ,, my dear younger brother is very ill with it ,, TBH it breaks my heart and allthough I never let him see it very often I have tears in my eyes after I leave him to drive home .

That's sad. And nothing you can do.

You have my sincere commiserations Nigel.Your wisdom and experiences of the perils of drink sure do strike home that we've all got to moderate our pleasures and vices.
All the best for this difficult time with your brother too, God willing.

My siblings are all in denial of their alcohol problems, and they can certainly guzzle the stuff down.

I learned it isn't really how much you drink but a combination of drinker details and habits that define alcoholism. You could drink a can a day and if you couldn't go a day without that can, or it didn't matter if you were with someone or alone, or if that drink a day cost you your job or your marriage ... big difference between wanting and needing.

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

Millions would disagree but I never did accept the classification of alcoholism being a disease. It might just be in the USA and the AMA (I think) made it so as a means to enlist another money-making medical program. I see it more a suicide mission than a disease. It being nothing more than the result of a personality default like a sense of entitlement or simply what a habitual person does. I mean is shop till you drop a disease? How about drinking twelve Cokes a day, smoking, wife beating? At what point does a repressive, self-destructive habit become a disease? I like to wank but I know when to stop.

When the skin starts to rip off along with the blisters?

No seriously, good post.

Anything can become an addiction, sex, drugs, rock n rool, whatever.
It's all to do with security feelings and the kind of background tension you can handle.

If something can relieve the tension that builds up in all of us daily, well that's the fix.

It can be something as innocuous as a cup of tea or a wank, or just a short nap.
When it becomes a habit, on cue, whenever certain situations arise during the day, then a dependency on the action/substance for relief becomes an addiction, especially if there's an element of pleasure associated with it, not just relief from stress.

Years ago when I was going through a real problem marital breakdown I turned to the bottle for support to get me through the day.
It was then I realised that I was in danger of becoming alcoholic.
From a couple of bottles of wine and a a lite of beer on a weekend, I started to drink every day. I booked in with a psychologist.

Six weeks later and I'd talked my way through my underlying problems and was once more non-dependent on alcohol.

This on-off alcohol thing disturbed me, so I decided to simply regulate my drinking instead of going hard line against it or hard on drinking.

It worked, so that if I see myself starting to enjoy the booze too much I haul back, take naps or a walk instead of a drink, and often instead of drinking alcohol, I'll drink some really nice herb tea I've concocted for myself.

Yes, I know it's become a bit of a joke on the forum, but lobelia has helped me cut down alcohol as a side effect to causing me to quit smoking.
There's quite a lot of research gone on re. lobelia and its uses in treating all forms of addictions.

I consider anxiety to be the principal cause of escapism, and thus the running to a substance or action as a substitute for a thwarted security need.

Lobelia deals tothat anxiety factor and is non-adictive.
I still take some occasionally, if the urge to smoke or drink gets stronger than usual.

Works every time.

Worth a thought.

Well cheers crocman, that was a good read, and yes I hit my low a couple of years ago or so.
I also came to the conclusion that it was all up to me, carry on habitually drinking or just have an occasional one.

Many told me that it had to be no drink at all or be an alcoholic.

Well, in my case, I chose to drink when I considered it to be OK.

Earlier in this thread, just a few hours ago, I said that I might go for a drink this evening. I haven't and don't feel like it either.

Goes to show ya eh? Different strokes for different folks.

But it's really up to you,....in the end.

PS, the last bottle of whisky I bought I never finished, nearly two years ago I poured the unfinished bottle down the sink.

I heard a funny joke.

How do you know when you are an alcoholic?

when you wake up with a shit in your jeans and you ain't sure who did it.

Originally Posted by crocman

I heard a funny joke.

How do you know when you are an alcoholic?

when you wake up with a shit in your jeans and you ain't sure who did it.

OH hell!

Originally Posted by ENT

A quiet tipple isn't a major problem for Caucasians, a drink's OK.

Having more than a couple is a problem.

I knocked my grog intake down to two or three days a week maximum, just to break the cycle, then ended up drinking less each time, a couple of beers or glasses of wine, no spirits.

I haven't bought any spirits for nearly two years, had a nip at Xmas and at a son's birthday celebration.

Stopping smoking helped a lot too, as did disassociating from my regular "beer buddies" and not taking any alcohol home with me.

I still make the occasional home brew, but tend to share it with others as I drink it "fresh", don't bottle it for a second fermentation, so it's all gone in 10 days.
At $20 for 20 litres it's cheap and made of good ingredients.

I had a bottle of wine over Monday and Tuesday, and will have a couple of beers today or tomorrow, but no real "gotta have a drink" craving.

I haven't had a hangover for at least a year or more and don't intend to have one again.

Good for you. If you can maintain keeping it down to 3 or 4 drinks a week, your liver should have a decent chance of compensating for any past damage (provided it hasn't already passed the point of no return).

I wish more people had that kind of self-control. It would sure save them a lot of pain down the road.

Santi,

RickThai

Originally Posted by ENT

I'll drink some really nice herb tea I've concocted for myself.

Lobella?

Cures cancer, dont it ?

Bloody hell Crocman kudos indeed mate coming back from there !


Thats one hell of a lot of willpower and determination

I was lucky I guess to have gotten sick on whiskey when in high school and vomited on my date. I never crave alcohol. And if I did it wouldn't be whiskey.

Friends and brethren, in my humble opinion, much of drug access has a lot to do with a lack of self respect. Or do I sift my words through my arse hole?

There's always an excuse or a denial involved: My dad drank till he was 80 and never had a problem; long-term damage is something that happens to other people; I'll quit on January first next year; I drink but I don't stink, other people stink.

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by ENT

I'll drink some really nice herb tea I've concocted for myself.

Lobella?

Cures cancer, dont it ?

Yes, some forms. Studies and trials are ongoing.

Lobelia.

"Derived from the aerial parts of the plant. Patients use lobelia for smoking cessation and to treat asthma and depression. The piperidine alkaloids are thought responsible for lobelia's activity.
In vitro and animal studies show that lobeline crosses the blood-brain barrier, has activity similar to that of nicotine, and stimulates the release of dopamine and norepinephrine

At low doses lobelia has stimulant effects, but higher doses result in CNS depression

Lobeline, a piperidine alkaloid, was shown to

reverse multidrug resistance of tumor cells to doxorubicin

reduce alcohol consumption (17)

..exert antidepressant effects...."
Lobelia | Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center

Further references to research on lobeline indicate that lobeline (derived from lobelia)
a) "significantly improve memory function..."
Lobeline-induced learning improvemen... [Pharmacol Biochem Behav. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

b) "lobeline significantly reduced alcohol consumption and alcohol preference during the repeated (recurring and continuous) administration phases"
Lobeline, a nicotinic partial agonist attenuat... [Physiol Behav. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI

c) "pretreatment with lobeline (4 or 10mg/kg, s.c.) significantly reduced ethanol consumption .....therapeutic potential for cessation of binge-like ethanol drinking and dependence in humans."
Lobeline and cytis... [Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

d) " having good potential as efficacious treatments for methamphetamine abuse."
https://teakdoor.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2445782

No Ent, it does not cure Cancer.

Trials have indicated that lobeline reverses drug resistance in cancer cells and tumours.

"We could show for the first time in our studies that lobeline can moderately inhibit P-gp mediated efflux and reverse P-gp dependent resistance at non-toxic concentrations. It may be a promising lead compound for the development of new MDR reversal drugs"

Lobeline, a piperidine alkaloid from Lobelia can reverse P-gp dependent multidrug resistance in tumor cells. - Free Online Library

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

I was lucky I guess to have gotten sick on whiskey when in high school and vomited on my date. I never crave alcohol. And if I did it wouldn't be whiskey.

Friends and brethren, in my humble opinion, much of drug access has a lot to do with a lack of self respect. Or do I sift my words through my arse hole?

There's always an excuse or a denial involved: My dad drank till he was 80 and never had a problem; long-term damage is something that happens to other people; I'll quit on January first next year; I drink but I don't stink, other people stink.

While there is merit in some of what you say I can't agree with it all.Lack of self respect or rather self loathing is a result of an addiction not generally the cause.

Personally I believe addiction is a condition you are born with and it is not selective.People with an addictive nature must be so careful of so many different products,actions,situations and even beliefs that become habitual because of the rewards that you initially receive.

Addiction,I believe is genetic also.In my family we have several alcoholics,slightly more
Junkies,a few excessive gamblers and nearly everybody smokes like a Haddock.

I agree when you say that there is a lot of denial and excuses made but I think this has a lot to do with blame shifting.Someone else caused your addiction because you certainly aren't stupid enough to do what you do.

When I sat down with my son to discuss the birds and bees and and other wonderful information to prepare him for his journey through life we discussed the prevalence of addiction in our family.Drugs are my biggest fear and I told him that at some time in his life he would take some form of drug and indeed probably try several different types of drugs.

As all lying teenager do,he assured me that this would never happen.I said I knew that with 100 per cent surety he would indeed do what I said.I then made a request of him.I requested that as he was sampling life's delights if he found one thing that gave him more illicit pleasure than anything else he may be doing,I asked that,no, in fact I told him that ,that is the one thing he should never do again.

so far he seems to have his head screwed on the right way.He is currently doing a Phd in physics.

Addiction in any form is a bastard and when addicts seek help, usually some form of religious organisation is the first to step forward.I am not a religious person and I would certainly not denigrate any such organisation that is offering support to an addict,however I feel that the solution they offer is as poisonous as problem.

The poor miserable bastard that believes he is being helped is simply swapping one crutch for another.Spiritualism may get many people through life but it can be as dangerous as heroin.

I had survived 1 week without a sniff, but thought I'd risk a couple of cans to make my once weekly town visit more pleasurable . I get a lift so no driving worries, necked the grog and then spent the next 2 hours panicking that my when I met up with my lift ,my red face would give the game away.
Not worth it, I've decided. Thanks for all your shared opinions and experiences guys.

Originally Posted by yortyiam

I had survived 1 week without a sniff, but thought I'd risk a couple of cans to make my once weekly town visit more pleasurable . I get a lift so no driving worries, necked the grog and then spent the next 2 hours panicking that my when I met up with my lift ,my red face would give the game away.
Not worth it, I've decided. Thanks for all your shared opinions and experiences guys.

Hey mate, don't stress it, OK?

It's OK to have a drink.


Just don't drink to excess.

Have a beer, it's nice. Drink it slow, enjoy it.

It feels good.


Then go and do something else,............................................. ......OK?

^ Ent, with the lobelia, is it taken in tablet form? I've researched it a bit, and wouldnt mind having some for when I go cold turkey soon with the smokes a liquor. It seems to be a bit restrictive in Australia, but available on the Internet in tablet form for about $20 for 100 tablets.

Originally Posted by Chang yai

^ Ent, with the lobelia, is it taken in tablet form? I've researched it a bit, and wouldnt mind having some for when I go cold turkey soon with the smokes a liquor. It seems to be a bit restrictive in Australia, but available on the Internet in tablet form for about $20 for 100 tablets.

OK. Cool mate,

You can get it in a herbalsist store, or at a Chinese herbalist store or as a lobeline (extract) from a chemist.

I advise you to buy either; a) tincture of lobelia (lobeline) from a chemist and follow packet advice.
b) dried lobelia "ban bian lian" in Chinese herbalist stores.
c) lobelia erinus or lobelia chinensis ( these two most preferable) or lobelia inflata and/or lobelia cardinalis from a garden centre, or plant nursery.

L. erinus or l. chinensis are most preferable, as l. inflat or l. cardinalis are most potent.

Usage.
Take a 1cm sq piece of leaf of l erinus or l inflata or other spcies and place it between tongue and gum and macerate that piece of leaf until disintegrated.
Within a few seconds to one minute the alkaloid lobeline is released frm the leaf and absorbed by the tongue to be taken up by the blood stream to the brain.

There, lobeline will interact with the dopamine receptors and nullify all or any form of craving arising from anxiety resulting from pleasure pain conflict.
It'll deal to your tobacco craving, alcohol craving, drug craving, sex craving, anxiety craving, etc

Keep cool bro, the stuff is non-adictive and will deal to any craving you got....from sex to drugs and rock 'n roll.

Be happy, read up as much as you can about it and don't OD, it'll make ya spew!!!

So, in other words, da stuff 'll deal to yo drag man and get ya mojo workin' agin" Cool?

^ ok, thanks I'll check out the chemist tomorrow. I think there is a herbal place in town as well, so I'll have look and at the plant nursery. Cheers.

Keep smiling, good luck.

Remember this bit mate;

It won't work on it's own, ya need will power too, a decision, ......ya wanna STOP!