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    Buy farmland.

    For a while I have believed that owning some farmland would be a very wise investment for the future given current problems that the word faces.

    This last 6 months I decided to act on that and purchased a very small rice plantation in Thailand (on the hunt for some more) and a decent sized farm in Australia.

    My father just forwarded an email onto me which was encouraging to read as with any business decision you are always nervous if you made the right decision or not.

    Here it is:


    I've written to you several times before about the boom in agricultural markets. The dynamics of this change are pretty simple, though we might lose sight of them during these crazy markets. As the wand of prosperity has touched China and India and the rest of the emerging markets, so have the diets of the people changed. They tend to eat better, which puts pressures on the grain markets.

    So what we see is grain inventories falling to lows not seen in more than 40 years. So at some point, we should expect to see rising prices for grains - and for the farmland that produces them.

    Meanwhile, the amount of arable land per person is falling. I wrote about this in my newsletter Capital & Crisis ("The Topsoil Crisis"). The gist of it is that we are losing quality topsoil faster than we are replacing it.

    There is a growing scarcity of good farmland. And you see countries that import grains - such as Saudi Arabia and China and South Korea - trying to lock down farmland.

    Agcapita points out that the per capita amount of arable land on the planet has dropped sharply over the last 50 years, and is likely to continue dropping. From 2.8 acres per person in 1960, the amount of arable land has dropped to slightly more than one acre today.

    Now, we don't need 2.8 acres per person anymore, because of advances in agriculture over time. But gains in yield per acre are slowing. Over the last 40 years, we've increased the yield per acre by 2.1% per year. But the pace of those gains is slowing. Since 2000, the increase in yields per acre has averaged less than 1% per year.

    We may see new innovations in seeds or other technology that we can scarcely imagine now. But it also seems that any solution would take some time and money to implement.
    Meanwhile, the world's agriculture markets just get tighter and tighter…

    Demand is strong. In 1974, cereal crop consumption was about 1,500 bushels per second. Today, it's 2,600 bushels per second. So we have a double effect here. We have increasing population and increasing consumption per person. Agcapita estimates that cereal crop consumption will double again over the next 20 years. The amount of pressure on the global food supply network is enormous. This, again, is a reflection of people eating better and eating more meat - which requires exponentially more grains to produce.

    There is another wrinkle to the story: Most every oil-consuming country has put in place biofuel targets that will kick in over the next five years. These places include the U.S., the EU, Canada, Japan, Brazil, India and China. To meet their targets, according to work by Agcapita, we'll have to commit some 240 million acres to biofuel production. That represents about 50% of the arable land in North America and about 6% of all the arable land in the world.

    As you can see, the biofuel craze puts further pressures on farmland demand.

    So that's where we are in a nutshell. For these reasons, I'm bullish on agriculture assets in general, and farmland in particular.

    The other appealing aspect of farmland is how well it did in the inflationary environment of the 1970s. I think we're headed to another 1970s-style inflation. Right now, we're in the midst of a (temporary) deflation wave sweeping over commodity-land. But the dollar, as we know, is not hard to reproduce.

    Governments, particularly in times of crisis - like now - have a tendency to flood the system with money in an attempt to "goose" the economy. Mostly, such efforts have succeeded in destroying the value of the currency

    The unfolding credit crisis just gets worse and worse…

    It seems like every day we get some news of a new bank failure, or takeover or some revelation that reminds us that all is not well. And the markets keep sinking…

    The U.S banking system lies in shambles, like the U.S. fleet at Pearl Harbor in '41. This is no garden-variety downturn, no little dip in the road to higher prices.

    I've given a lot of thought to what might be a good spot to hide out - and even prosper - during this crisis. Precious metals immediately come to mind: Owning some gold or silver is a comforting thought. But what else?

    I keep coming back to something really basic: farmland.

    Recently, I spent a few days in an old chateau in the countryside of Normandy, France. There is a tiny town about a mile from the chateau, but otherwise, it is a picture of things pastoral - green meadows… cows cropping grass and taking in the sun… a Jacobin farmhouse… miles of farmland all around… Since I've been writing and talking about farmland, I had a deeper appreciation for just how useful such land is.

    Really, I can think of no better asset to own during any kind of financial crisis. In some ways, farmland is even better than gold or silver. At least farmland is an intrinsically useful thing. It provides a tangible yield in the form of good things from the earth. We all have to eat. As consumers trim their sails, they'll give up a lot before they give up their calorie intake. In fact, worldwide, the per capita calorie intake is likely to rise, as I'll get into
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    Farmland stands to benefit from trends that you are now well familiar with if you've been reading this letter for any length of time. Some of the most important points bulls will commit to memory are these:

    • World wheat consumption has exceeded production in six out of the past eight years
    • World wheat stocks are at a 30-year low.

    Greater prosperity in China and India lead to shifting diets consisting of more protein - eggs and meat. As reported in Farquhar's farmland prospectus, to produce 1 pound of meat requires 10 pounds of grain: "Therefore, the dietary shift from grains to meat significantly increases the demand for grains."

    By tradition, China has usually produced and exported large amounts of grain. That is no longer the case. Rapid urban expansion and "desertification" of existing arable lands, along with water shortages, have all led to lower levels of supply. The same is happening in India.

    The global urge to produce more biofuel also creates competition for a smaller base of farmland acreage. More acreage devoted to corn for ethanol, for example, means less devoted to soybeans or other crops used for food for people or livestock.

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    Farming in modern times is an endless black hole. Small fortunes are made out of big ones. Most confuse lifestyle & profitable farming.

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    Shall I tell that to all the modern time rich farmers that I know?

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    Interesting in that the world population is due to grow by a BILLION souls over the next decade or so. They can't all eat cake as a famous queen once said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Gibbon
    Interesting in that the world population is due to grow by a BILLION souls over the next decade or so. They can't all eat cake as a famous queen once said.
    Aside from the eating bit, they will need space. Ownership of land seems a good long term investment. Profitable farming on a small scale is extremely difficult and on a large scale very capital intensive.

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    I've put down a deposit on a nice 40 rai plot of land in Mae Pern in Nakorn Sawan

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    Quite fortunate. Married into 300+ rai. Have purchased a little more in expansion.

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    Good on you good2bhappy and RS.

    Very good point Norton.

    The bottom line with being a successful farmer apart from having half a brain is having consistent water.
    I know a lot of rich farmers and a few poor ones. The only difference is access to water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock
    The only difference is access to water.
    Saw a documentary about Murray River (believe what it was) farmers. These folks lived way downstream near the sea and have been virtually put out of business because all the water is being used upstream. In Oz, water and increasing drought is a serious problem.

    In Thailand, generally plenty of water but areas where irrigation water is unavailable, crop production is limited.
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock
    I know a lot of rich farmers and a few poor ones.
    My cousin farms 12 sections (7,700 acres) of land in Canada. He certainly is not hurting financially. The poor farmers are all small land holders and eventually will have a bad season which will require they sell to people like my cousin to pay their debts. BTW, my cousin is a prick!

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    Correction, a rich prick.

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    Depends how much you have to buy into these famrs for these days with good water.

    I remember in years gone by nearly buying a cattle station with a mate.

    I remember thinking $5million for one was an aweful lot.

    Now some are selling for $80million.

    Like I said, depends how much you have to pay these days. Older cockey's with land holdings or younger generations with farms handed down have not had to pay these large sums of today.

    But being away from Oz for 6 years, i not really sure on prices now.
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    Ivanhoe station is on the market at the moment.

    Anyway, farming will always be high risk but with proper management and a bit of luck, some huge returns in the near future are up for grabs.
    Of course a couple of lean years in a row and things can quickly change.
    Fingers crossed.

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    A pretty bold move MM. However, having said that I am also very confident about the future of the industry in general, and only wish I was a bit younger to have a go at it myself. The rising sunspot cycle may mean increased rainfall in Australia which is the key to successful agriculture here.

    Good producing land is a great investment at the moment and if you are going to have a punt on the future, this is a good one. However, I was just talking to a mate in the Griffith area who says that you can't give land away there at the moment due to the drought. On top of that a locust plague has eaten everything except the dirt, so such areas may be a long time recovering, if ever.

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    The land I purchased is in the south east corner of South Australia. Very hard to find land for sale around there due to recent good yields.

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    How big ?

    How much is Ivanhoe up for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MeMock
    The land I purchased is in the south east corner of South Australia. Very hard to find land for sale around there due to recent good yields.
    Great grain producing area with fairly consistent rainfall. Good buying probably.

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    I sure hope so JL.

    300 acres Nawty.

    Ivanhoe is going as part of a package with a few other stations I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post

    Aside from the eating bit, they will need space. Ownership of land seems a good long term investment.

    Trouble is matey, we don't own shit in Thailand as its in the wifes name.

    Great for her and shitting knitting needles for us. Extremely risky investment.

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    Good reason not to get divorced then isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Trouble is matey, we don't own shit in Thailand as its in the wifes name.
    Was speaking in general. Land seems a good long term investment. Even in Thailand but maybe not for us farangs.

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    Long Term, I don't think you can make a better investment than land, but here in Lala Land, you need to be careful as to how it stands legally, me I can't own a grain of soil, so, I put everything in my kids name, hopefully that can stop the predators!

    But I did read somewhere that if you are married to a Thai woman and she dies before you, that all the property goes to the FUCKING MOTHER IN LAW, then the old witch can divide it up as she sees fit...probably along with your worthless body parts! (If she is still alive!!! God forbid! ie outlives your wife)...Anyway, there is more than one way to skin a cat!

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    Not true miggins....it goes to next in line which are her kids.

    It can also be willed to you, yes a foreigner....even a grouchy miserable old kunt....but it can be and you then have 12 months or so to do something with it. Sort out other ownership, sell it, transfer to kids etc.

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    But....god knows she won't leave anything to you as you won't even give her 500 baht for a fuckin orange bucket of shite.

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